Why do our fans laugh at the Giants' philosophy?

[Idgit]

Jones only one who contributes in next 5 years.

Gregory -- See Joseph Randle or Josh Gordon

Green -- see Matt Johnson

Damien Wilson is too slow, 4.7 40. Haha

Do we even meed to discuss Russell, Nzeocha, Gibpson, Swaim. C'mon man. This was a ridiculous draft.

Yeah, this isn't really a conversation worth having. Obviously, I don't agree with any of your characterization a here. We brought in a lot of talented players last year.

 

[Shinaoi]

You build through the draft with young players and having cap space. Not flinging money at anyone who looks just okay.

 

[rpntex]

When they are the ones who have won 2 super bowls the last decade? Where does the hubris come from? 2014? lol

One team in the division is going all out to win a Super Bowl for their aging quarterback. I don't want to hear about "Romo friendly" anymore. I don't want to hear about the "Romo/Witten window". The franchise's non-actions today show they are not desperate to win for these two.

With all due respect, if you look back on the seasons in which state they one it all, they did so with very limited free-agent acquisitions. The vast – and I do mean vast – majority of their talent was homegrown… Drafted and originally signed by the Gants themselves.

Look back at the last who knows how many Super Bowl winners, and you'll see that outside of Denver, very few of them made much of a dent in the free-agent market the off-season before they won. Denver is the outlier.

That appears to be what Dallas has been trying to do for the past several years. Build through the draft, and leave the high dollar free agents to everybody else. The one season they got away from that model – 2015 – it kind of all came crumbling down around them. I'm not saying that signing Greg Hardy lead to Dallas ending up 4-12, but it didn't help them, either.

 

[coult44]

Yeah, this isn't really a conversation worth having. Obviously, I don't agree with any of your characterization a here. We brought in a lot of talented players last year.

In the draft? C'mon man. Really?

 

[Idgit]

In the draft? C'mon man. Really?

Yes, really.

 

[coult44]

Yes, really.

Explain then please.

 

[rpntex]

The 2015 Broncos, 2014 Patriots, and the 2013 Seahawks beg to differ.

Nope. The Broncos, I give you, but just what "big name" free agents did the Seahawks and Patriots sign before their Super Bowl wins? The patriots signed Darrell Revis, but he was coming off a major knee injury. All the little teenage girls on the site would scream bloody murder everyone if Jerry signed someone coming off a major injury

 

[Idgit]

Explain then please.

What's to explain? Jones had a great rookie camp playing three positions. Gregory has a ton of talent and struggles with substance abuse. Green you haven't even seen play a down. Wilson you've blown your evaluation on, and Nzeotcha and Swaim are exactly what you ought to have expected from 7th round rookies.

The fact that you're going out of your way to misrepresent that draft pretty much says it all.

And notice I didn't even have to bring up Collins?

 

[rpntex]

Vernon hit Romo 4 times in that game, lined up against Tyron when Wake was out for the season.

What a scrub.

Vernon's got $85 million, based on a season in which he recorded 7.5 sacks. That's an average of $17m per season, or in even more eye-opening terms, $2.27m per sack.

I guess that means Demarcus Lawrence is worth $18.1m per season, seeing as how he had 8 sacks last season.

Some of you drama queens would be throwing a fit if jerry signed a 7.5 sack player to that contract. But since it was someone else doing it, it's smart football.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Vernon hit Romo 4 times in that game, lined up against Tyron when Wake was out for the season.

What a scrub.

That's the definition of a scrub if you can only point to one game to justify paying him 84 million.

 

[rpntex]

Jones only one who contributes in next 5 years.

Gregory -- See Joseph Randle or Josh Gordon

Green -- see Matt Johnson

Damien Wilson is too slow, 4.7 40. Haha

Do we even meed to discuss Russell, Nzeocha, Gibpson, Swaim. C'mon man. This was a ridiculous draft.

Guess what? In five years, you can say you're right. At this point, however, you don't know what Gregory, Green, Wilson, and any of the other draft choices will end up doing. Meanwhile, I know it's pretty foolish to slap that kind of an evaluation on a draft class after one season. Oh yeah, you conveniently omitted Lael Collins from your evaluation. Even though he wasn't drafted, he was a part of the same draft pool and end up signing here.

So let's revisit your evaluation in a few years. At that time, you'll either be proven to be Nostradamus ...or Nostra*******.

 

[coult44]

Guess what? In five years, you can say you're right. At this point, however, you don't know what Gregory, Green, Wilson, and any of the other draft choices will end up doing. Meanwhile, I know it's pretty foolish to slap that kind of an evaluation on a draft class after one season. Oh yeah, you conveniently omitted Lael Collins from your evaluation. Even though he wasn't drafted, he was a part of the same draft pool and end up signing here.

So let's revisit your evaluation in a few years. At that time, you'll either be proven to be Nostradamus ...or Nostra*******.

So now that you have admitted these guys won't develop until 2-5 years from now, you are almost there. Let's say the same thing about this years draft, even next year as well. What do we do between now and those 5-6-10 years. We can't build a team on a draft when we are drafting guys that we can't evaluate for 5 years. We must go after proven player. And that's now!!! Not in two days, weeks. Or months, we need players now.

 

[Shinaoi]

Im done with building a team to win tomorrow. Sure that would be great. And romo is probably my favorite player ever to watch. But this team needs to build a structure and a culture for the long run. I'm talking like the patriots, steelers, and greenbay. We were that type of team. Its time to build a structure around drafting and paying our own players, not trying to buy our way into contention. Let's build. And pay for the right guys. Build a culture and foundation, and win with a system.

 

[birdwells1]

Nope. The Broncos, I give you, but just what "big name" free agents did the Seahawks and Patriots sign before their Super Bowl wins? The patriots signed Darrell Revis, but he was coming off a major knee injury. All the little teenage girls on the site would scream bloody murder everyone if Jerry signed someone coming off a major injury

Broncos- T.J. Ward, Ware, Aqib Talib and Emmanuel Sanders (not to mention Manning was signed as a fa)
Seahawks-Cliff Avril, Michael Bennett, and Percy Harvin
Patriots-Brandon Browner, Patrick Chung, and Revis

 

[Idgit]

Broncos- T.J. Ward, Ware, Aqib Talib and Emmanuel Sanders (not to mention Manning was signed as a fa)
Seahawks-Cliff Avril, Michael Bennett, and Percy Harvin
Patriots-Brandon Browner, Patrick Chung, and Revis

Is that all that different than us signing Greg Hardy and DMC last season? That level of player acquisition is pretty much par for the course in the NFL. The difference being their teams won where ours slumped.

 

[IrishAnto]

I just speak the truth man. Not hating on the Cowboys today, I think there are many ways to assemble a good team. With that said though if we landed vernon and Jenkins this board wold be flooded with super bowl talk.

Too true.

Remember last year when we drafted Gregory and signed Hardy, people thought they would run out of fingers trying to count the amount of sacks we would get in each game!

As frustrating as it is watching your rivals making a splash in free agency, more often than not you don't get what you pay for.

 

[gmoney112]

Is that all that different than us signing Greg Hardy and DMC last season? That level of player acquisition is pretty much par for the course in the NFL. The difference being their teams won where ours slumped.

As much as I want to agree with you, I can't do it. The Broncos signed a Pro Bowl safety, a HoF pass rusher (to pair with one of the best pass rushers in the NFL), and a corner that's proven to be pretty decent in this league.

The Seahawks paid a proven pass rusher in Avril that had averaged about about 10 sacks the previous 3 years, and Bennett who had a coming out party in Tampa the year previously at the end of his rookie contract. Their contract numbers don't look huge by today's standards, but they weren't insubstantial. And really, it was a different market. I'm not aware of any 9-10 sack a year guys left in FA.

For perspective, our biggest signings last year that weren't homegrown was an injury prone RB who underperformed in a bad environment, a DE who hadn't played football in a year, and some crazy dude at LB who'd retired twice already and didn't bother participating in camp. McFadden turned out to be a good signing, but the other two options were clearly because we didn't want to "overpay" and that's what you get. Hardy and Rolando, with Hayden, Wilcox, and Church starting in the middle of your defense.

Vernon's got $85 million, based on a season in which he recorded 7.5 sacks. That's an average of $17m per season, or in even more eye-opening terms, $2.27m per sack.

I guess that means Demarcus Lawrence is worth $18.1m per season, seeing as how he had 8 sacks last season.

Some of you drama queens would be throwing a fit if jerry signed a 7.5 sack player to that contract. But since it was someone else doing it, it's smart football.

"Drama queen".

Yes, unless it is a recorded sack the player did not even bother getting out of his stance on the play. I think I saw him scratch his butt and sniff it on the plays he didn't record a sack.

He hit, pressured, or sacked the QB 80 times last year. That's 5x a game. He beat Romo up and did to Tyron, the All-Pro, exactly what he averaged against every tackle he faced, while playing some of the stoutest run defense at the 4-3 end position. All this and he got better once Wake was out for the year.

17,000,000 / 80 = 212,000 every time he affects the QB by sacking him, hitting him, or making him get rid of the ball early. You're also getting one of the best run defenders and he's 25. He's not even in his prime yet.

Yeah he got overpaid. But people trying to insinuate he "sucks" or using his sack total as some end all barometer are completely delusional.

 

[Gaede]

All I know is this team is damned if we do (Carr) and damned if we don't (Nate Livings et al)

Probably because, regardless of who's is available, our executives just don't know how to build a winning team

 

[birdwells1]

Is that all that different than us signing Greg Hardy and DMC last season? That level of player acquisition is pretty much par for the course in the NFL. The difference being their teams won where ours slumped.

I think that Hardy is on par but DMC was brought on to be a backup but he ended up starting, all the players I listed were brought in to start.

 

[LittleD]

All I know is this team is damned if we do (Carr) and damned if we don't (Nate Livings et al)

Probably because, regardless of who's is available, our executives just don't know how to build a winning team

Well, there are 31 other NFL teams out there and 31 other Fan boards you can mosey over to. Jerry and Stephen own
the team, make huge amounts of money, and aren't likely to give up the golden goose that easily. You should probably
take a vacation from this board and find a new team you'd like to root for.