Why does Rod seem to hate FA DT's?

[big dog cowboy]

I was told Rod was a dline guru...

Yet we've consistently been on the bottom of the NFL in sacks

Considering the junk pile he has been working with over the years that is extremely unfair.

 

[waldoputty]

Drafting in recent years has been a very pleasant surprise. Not the weak link any longer.

the 2016 draft was historic
unfortunately it appears the FO may be banking on a repeat of the same success this year.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

I remember listening to Nick Eatman a few weeks ago say that the Cowboys were interested in Oliver Vernon last year but Marinelli didn't want him. Eatman said Marinelli would rather coach the underdog try hard guys because he probably gets those guys to buy into what he wants.

He didn't want Vernon because of the cost. Vernon got paid like an all-pro to be an above average guy. Rod knows he only gets one chance to pay a stud on the DLine and didn't want to waste it on Vernon.

 

[haleyrules]

the 2016 draft was historic
unfortunately it appears the FO may be banking on a repeat of the same success this year.

Agreed. I was a little surprised, at this point, in the FO lack of interest in most or all top FA's. Well shall see.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Drafting in recent years has been a very pleasant surprise. Not the weak link any longer.

Nope.

But some continue to push agenda over fact.

 

[waldoputty]

He didn't want Vernon because of the cost. Vernon got paid like an all-pro to be an above average guy. Rod knows he only gets one chance to pay a stud on the DLine and didn't want to waste it on Vernon.

vernon is paid ~17m aav.
one can argue the fair market price for a all pro now may be 25m.
cap dollars = inflation

 

[CCBoy]

...Instead, the Cowboys brought in reinforcements by signing former Browns defensive tackle Stephen Paea on a one year deal. After that, they inked former Giants third round draft pick Damontre Moore to bolster the defensive line.

Terms of Moore’s deal are currently unknown. I will guarantee you though that both he and Paea will make less money combined than McClain will in 2017. That is exactly how you stay ahead of the cap.

And, for those of you who may think that Dallas took a step back in talent, realize this fact. Paea has the same number of sacks (14) that Crawford and McClain do combined. Moore adds another ten on his own...

http://thelandryhat.com/2017/03/12/dallas-cowboys-roster-makeover-free-agency/

 

[visionary]

Considering the junk pile he has been working with over the years that is extremely unfair.

This is a tired excuse that may have been valid when rod first arrived
Now the FO and the coaching staff have had the opportunity to pick who fits his scheme for years
If the DL is not effective it is on them

Let's stop with the excuses

 

[cml750]

All coaches want better talent. Better talent means a better team and more wins and a lot less work for the Coaches. Marinelli certainly wants the best talent the FO can provide. His greatest problem is the Cowboy FO has always been , during the Jones era, offensively motivated.

Gee, I wonder why???

 

[MichaelWinicki]

This is a tired excuse that may have been valid when rod first arrived
Now the FO and the coaching staff have had the opportunity to pick who fits his scheme for years
If the DL is not effective it is on them

Let's stop with the excuses

Nonsense.

Absolute nonsense.

It's not like they haven't made an attempt to bolster the DL... I won't go into the various moves that have been made.

On top of that there was a distinct effort by the club to be "Offense first".

In addition they're in an environment with 31 other teams after the same piece of meat... On top of that you have roster limitations and you're limited on how much money you can spend to acquire talent.

Finally this defensive line was 11th in the NFL in YPA vs. the run and 13th in the NFL in sacks. Great numbers? No. Bad numbers? No.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Let's stop with the excuses

No excuse. Look at what was on the roster last year. Now we get DLaw back for a year and Smith and Tapper on the field we can start talking. Collins was obviously a big upgrade. You force any DC to play guys like Hayden...comon man.

 

[visionary]

Nonsense.

Absolute nonsense.

It's not like they haven't made an attempt to bolster the DL... I won't go into the various moves that have been made.

On top of that there was a distinct effort by the club to be "Offense first".

In addition they're in an environment with 31 other teams after the same piece of meat... On top of that you have roster limitations and you're limited on how much money you can spend to acquire talent.

Finally this defensive line was 11th in the NFL in YPA vs. the run and 13th in the NFL in sacks. Great numbers? No. Bad numbers? No.

You're right, this is absolute nonsense

You don't build an offense in 6 years and then try to build a defense. This is as nonsensical as the defense of that strategy

You build a team

Many coaches have been hired and been to NFCCG and AFCCGs since Garrett was hired as HC and they were not gifted a top 10 QB already familiar with their system

This FO and coaching staff has made bad decisions directly resulting in the mediocre results we have witnessed

The FO is purely reactionary with no real plan
First they spend in FA like drunken soldiers, people make fun of them and they learn the catch phrase "build through the draft" and go completely overboard with that policy, stupidly

They was to build a team is to build the offense and defense and STs at the same time through the draft AND FA

 

[John813]

With the revolving cap space, there will always be a handful of teams that have to give out stupid deals to make the minimum requirement for the cap floor.

So, that means that every year the bar keeps on rising and rising for good and above average players to get paid at very good to great performing players.

We just aren't going to be getting into bidding wars for those players in FA.
It'll affect both sides of the football.

We need to continue to draft well to find impact players.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

You're right, this is absolute nonsense

You don't build an offense in 6 years and then try to build a defense. This is as nonsensical as the defense of that strategy

You build a team

Many coaches have been hired and been to NFCCG and AFCCGs since Garrett was hired as HC and they were not gifted a top 10 QB already familiar with their system

This FO and coaching staff has made bad decisions directly resulting in the mediocre results we have witnessed

The FO is purely reactionary with no real plan
First they spend in FA like drunken soldiers, people make fun of them and they learn the catch phrase "build through the draft" and go completely overboard with that policy, stupidly

They was to build a team is to build the offense and defense and STs at the same time through the draft AND FA

Yeah, you're the expert.

Give me a break.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Marinelli's scheme is about getting to the QB. He doesn't play a typical 4-3 scheme like a Mike Zimmer or Marvin Lewis where you have a tradition 1-tech that clogs the hole, plays the first 2 downs and have the more dynamic 3-tech get a little more space.

Rod wants every D-Lineman to get up field while maintaining their gap responsibility. He wants a Booger McFarland type at the 1-tech instead of a Willie Blade type.

The issue we are finding these days is that the modern game has changed from even 10 years ago. Pass happy, shotgun offenses that throw the ball out on perimeter for short, quick throws. The vast majority of the best defenses are built from the defensive backfield to the linebackers to the D-Line. The Seahawks are a perfect example of that as their DB's (when healthy) are excellent and Wagner and KJ Wright are stupendous. Same with the Panthers, Patriots, Cardinals, etc.

That alone should place a little less value on D-Linemen.

And now, the big emphasis around the league is getting pressure from the inside because with the shotgun offenses, it's a bit harder to get that pressure from the edge. You also have more mobile QB's that have perfected the spin move (ala Romo) to avoid those edge rushers. Your edge rushers are better served to be guys that can get the occasional pressure, not lose outside contain and have the motor to go chase after the ball when the QB throws it quickly. Unless you have Von Miller and there's only 1 Von Miller in the league and nobody else is really close. That means more of an emphasis on interior D-Linemen and the guys you really want are less likely to be available.

Lastly, most consider Marinelli as the best D-Line coach on the planet. I tend to think he's really great, especially with DT's. And the general belief is that they don't need to pay big $$$ for a DT when Marinelli can 'coach them up.'

I wouldn't mind seeing us draft a real game changer at DT if he's there, but I don't think the DT position was a problem for us. Irving was really good, he just didn't get a lot of snaps. McClain is solid, but wore down as the game went along. Collins showed real flashes, but also looked bad at times. Thornton got better as the season went along. And while I'm not high on T. Crawford, I don't think one can judge him based off of 2016 where he was playing completely out of position.

Our DE's were a much larger problem.






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[visionary]

No excuse. Look at what was on the roster last year. Now we get DLaw back for a year and Smith and Tapper on the field we can start talking. Collins was obviously a big upgrade. You force any DC to play guys like Hayden...comon man.

You're smarter than this

DLaw and Tapper have significant enough back problems that they were forced to sit out last year
Smith is a prayer at this stage. If he plays LB in the NFL with a drop foot he will be doing something never before done in the history of the NFL, then we expect him to play at an elite level? That is crazy

Counting on long shots like these is exactly how you end up with major holes during the season and end up 8-8 or 9-7 and complain about "bad luck"

It is not bad luck it is poor planning

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

vernon is paid ~17m aav.
one can argue the fair market price for a all pro now may be 25m.
cap dollars = inflation

How many non QBs make that?

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

vernon is paid ~17m aav.
one can argue the fair market price for a all pro now may be 25m.
cap dollars = inflation

Vernon was the highest paid non QB last season, BTW

 

[waldoputty]

Vernon was the highest paid non QB last season, BTW

sure, ask yourself what the fair market value for von miller should be in an auction with no home town discount and franchise tag discount...

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

sure, ask yourself what the fair market value for von miller should be in an auction with no home town discount and franchise tag discount...

I'm not dealing in hypotheticals. What is the actual pay and how does that compare to the actual market?