Why in the heck would we spend a 4th on a player that won't even make the team?

[superpunk]

Allison an actual WR was there for the taking when we took Stanbeck

And yet, he was passed over for about 30 more picks, until Minnesota picked him in the 5th. 3 other WRs were taken ahead of Allison, after Stanback.

But you liked Allison....so that's that I guess.

... Beekman, DeOssie or Tanard Jackson would all have been better and more appropriate picks as well

DeOssie was intriguing, I'll give you taht. At that point, did we need LBs more than WRs?

Beekman was passed over by two teams looking for guards after Stanback was taken.

But you know best, I suppose. Those other teams, and their countless hours and dollars spent on scouting, meetings, research - they can't hold a candle to 2233boy's couch evaluation, can they? I mean, you poured over countless generic scouting reports and read a few combine reports online - you're certainly more qualified than the scouts for the Cowboys, Buccaneers, Packers, Lions, Panthers and Titans, aren't ya Big Fella?

As an aside this question reeks of someone who just likes the pick because that is who Dallas took. Give me a break, every here could name a player they would have preferred over another, save the Cowboys Homers. Who just love everything Dallas does, no matter what.

I didn't say anything about Stanback being a great pick - just asked you to offer alternatives instead of your incessant *****ing and moaning about all the homers here (as an aside - you reek of someone who's only purpose is to ***** and moan and trot out the same generic response to everyone, regardless of their stance or viewpoint - so big ups on that, genius...).

The alternatives you offered make no sense. That's not my problem.

Maybe think before posting next time. It's never done me wrong.

 

[aikemirv]

If we could take a guy with the physical abilities that Stanback has in the 4th round every year I would do it every year, no questions aksed.

If healthy this guy can be a weapon every time he steps on the field from multiple positions. He is the perfect slash type player.

 

[AbeBeta]

What is even funnier is how you have developed a spiel about Stanback being a crap pick when what you really want to come out and say is "I really wanted us to take Player X and I've never heard of Stanback and Mel Kiper said he was a bad pick."

 

[Hostile]

Doubtful, since he wasn't a wr and that is the position he will be playing for us. So you saw him catch 22 passes or so, and play QB... That makes up for drafting a project who was injured and switching positions at leat 2 rounds before he should have been taken. :laugh2:

I saw him play some WR as a freshman, but mostly as a QB. The thing that stands out to me most of all is his running ability in the open field.

Yeah, I believe he can catch a football. But it is what he does after he has it that I think will amaze some people.

 

[AbeBeta]

I saw him play some WR as a freshman, but mostly as a QB. The thing that stands out to me most of all is his running ability in the open field.

Yeah, I believe he can catch a football. But it is what he does after he has it that I think will amaze some people.

That's the real issue here - I think that we were thinking more about how the Saints use Reggie Bush in the passing game when looking at Stanback. I doubt we were looking at this guy and thinking about 30 yard out routes. He's going to be more the guy you throw a short screen pass to.

Of course, he never played WR. Except for back when he did.

 

[5Stars]

Of course, he never played WR. Except for back when he did.

:laugh2:

 

[Dodger12]

I'm not a huge fan of the Stanback pick, if anything because we have a history littered with numerous draft picks wasted on players with "potential". I've grown to despise the word "potential" when Jerry tries to justify a pick.

On the flip side, it was reported that other teams had an interest in Stanback and would have taken him not long after the Cowboys; he would have never lasted until the latter rounds so I can see and understand Ireland's sence of urgency.

But I do feel bad for a player who might have a legitimate shot at making this team but might be bumped out for a guy that hasn't practiced a day at camp but his measurables are off the charts.

By the way, why does the name Tyson Walter keep running through my head...........?

 

[Dodger12]

If we could take a guy with the physical abilities that Stanback has in the 4th round every year I would do it every year, no questions aksed.

And more often than not you'll be disappointed when he's released a year or two down the road when he can't live up to his "potential", all the while passing up on solid players who add depth to your roster and may even surprise us as future starters and contributors (ie: Leon Lett, Bradie James, MB III just to name a few).

If healthy this guy can be a weapon every time he steps on the field from multiple positions. He is the perfect slash type player.

Based on what? His measureables? I remember when Karreem Larrimore's superior size and speed made him the steal of his draft class.

 

[aikemirv]

And more often than not you'll be disappointed when he's released a year or two down the road when he can't live up to his "potential", all the while passing up on solid players who add depth to your roster and may even surprise us as future starters and contributors (ie: Leon Lett, Bradie James, MB III just to name a few).



Based on what? His measureables? I remember when Karreem Larrimore's superior size and speed made him the steal of his draft class.

Based on what I've seen of his open field abilities.

 

[iceberg]

Stanback was an extremely questionable selection to begin with. Early 4th is way too soon to be targeting projects.

which explains why 3-4 teams were after him to begin with and he'd not have been around 4-5 picks later, much less the next round. jax is on record as saying that he was their 4th round pick.

when you have a lot of depth (as we do now) where else do you spend your picks? people need to chill the hell out and remember life won't be judged in a day so all the people doing this day to day "judgement" are just WAY TOO EARLY on the scene.

the sad part is when you get your "acorn" and are right you'll shout it out loud. but if it works out all the negativity seems to fade to whiners being quiet (about that topic anyway).

 

[iceberg]

What is even funnier is how you have developed a spiel about Stanback being a crap pick when what you really want to come out and say is "I really wanted us to take Player X and I've never heard of Stanback and Mel Kiper said he was a bad pick."

it's the parakeet syndrome. like people STILL saying jones will never change being the same people that also said jones would never hire a real coach. when he happens to go out and do what the "pundits" said he'd never do, he doesn't get credit or benefit of the doubt, he just gets spun into another hole.

why? masses are so reluctant to "be wrong" they have to excuse it away vs. learn.

sad really.

 

[iceberg]

Amen.

We have lots of problems [that some people dont like to talk about....] and drafting Stanback is a questionable pick.

Corner is a mess.

WR is old.

NT depth is questionable, at best.

of these 3 you have 1 valid point.

corner is *not* a mess. you keep ignoring the fact we *did* draft a couple late in the game - one a promising CB who happened to fall and we got a bargain on taking a shot at him.

with the focus on an actual PASS RUSH our corners will have an easier time playing well cause they won't have to do it for extended periods of time. you see, this is a *team* sport, not a WAH - I WANNA FIX POSITION X fest. we've got a solid secondary if not spectacular, no - but a good pass rush will go a long way into helping the secondary's numbers.

WR - old. maybe. TO is still in "oh my god" shape. yes he's getting old but his history doesn't put him as a "risk" like it *does* for glenn. but glenn has had a couple of good years and we hope to get another 1 or 2 out of him. if we draft a WR in the 4th vs. stanback (btw, who *is* a WR) when will he play? does he automatically replace crayton who was the best #3 in the league last year?

no. that would be foolish. so you're up in arms because our we didn't draft a WR to compete for the 5th spot (wait, we did i stanback!).

*next* year will be the year we should focus on the WR. if one happened to fall to us this last year, great. meacham was one i wanted in the 1st and looking back - WHEW! glad that didn't pan out.

NT - point taken here and yes, should be addressed. we will but i'm sure not to your satisfaction.

like it or not stanback was our pick and i suppose for me like it or not, blind parrots will whine.

 

[VA Cowboy]

which explains why 3-4 teams were after him to begin with and he'd not have been around 4-5 picks later, much less the next round. jax is on record as saying that he was their 4th round pick.

when you have a lot of depth (as we do now) where else do you spend your picks? people need to chill the hell out and remember life won't be judged in a day so all the people doing this day to day "judgement" are just WAY TOO EARLY on the scene.

the sad part is when you get your "acorn" and are right you'll shout it out loud. but if it works out all the negativity seems to fade to whiners being quiet (about that topic anyway).

You probably still think Quincy was a great pick just because the Raiders and maybe one other team had him on their board on day one.

Believe it or not, not every pick we make is going to be a good choice.

And as for Stanback, all I've said is that he was a questionable selection in the early 4th. But I'm sure even if we took him the 2nd round you'd be defending the decision simply because some can never see beyond their blue and silver colored glasses. It's interesting how objectivity gets thrown out the window with some folks when it comes to discussing their own team.

 

[superpunk]

when you have a lot of depth (as we do now) where else do you spend your picks? people need to chill the hell out and remember life won't be judged in a day so all the people doing this day to day "judgement" are just WAY TOO EARLY on the scene.

the sad part is when you get your "acorn" and are right you'll shout it out loud. but if it works out all the negativity seems to fade to whiners being quiet (about that topic anyway).

I know, right?

It's like last year, after we picked a LB and another TE - everyone was all like "We needed to fix the offensive line"..."Dumb-*** Bill picking Linebackers and jersey boys again, instead of legitimately addressing the offensive line"..."Who the hell is Kyle Kosier"....etc.

It was really intolerable.

Looks like this year it will be about Stanback.

:

 

[zeromaster]

I said, and I repeat, I want to see evidence that a rookie feels so much more pressure than a veteran.

So far...nothing.

For all we know the rookie could be yet another "triumph of an uncluttered mind."

You can hate kickers all you want, but when it comes down to winning with a FG or PAT, they're still the most important guy on the field at that moment.

Folk needs to prove his last season's improvement is the real deal; he was known for accuracy issues. It's a faster game than what he's seen up until TC. For kickers, practice kicks are just fluff.

And for rookie kickers' success, it'd be hard to take any team better to land with than the Pats, other than possibly Indy. Sure there may be a bit more weather to deal with in Foxboro, but no one can predict when a game may come down to a kick to win and it's a rookie trying it in adverse conditions.

 

[5Stars]

I know, right?

It's like last year, after we picked a LB and another TE - everyone was all like "We needed to fix the offensive line"..."Dumb-*** Bill picking Linebackers and jersey boys again, instead of legitimately addressing the offensive line"..."Who the hell is Kyle Kosier"....etc.

It was really intolerable.

Looks like this year it will be about Stanback.

:

Oh, oh......

:blind:






:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

 

[iceberg]

You probably still think Quincy was a great pick just because the Raiders and maybe one other team had him on their board on day one.

Believe it or not, not every pick we make is going to be a good choice.

And as for Stanback, all I've said is that he was a questionable selection in the early 4th. But I'm sure even if we took him the 2nd round you'd be defending the decision simply because some can never see beyond their blue and silver colored glasses. It's interesting how objectivity gets thrown out the window with some folks when it comes to discussing their own team.

you know, it would be a LOT easier to talk to if you didn't shove your idiocy in my mouth and then build a counter argument over something i never said.

i hated the carter pick and never liked him as a dallas qb.

it's also interesting how you argue with yourself over crap you say and simply pretend someone else said it so you can cliche around and pat yourself on the back like you actually changed the world for the better.

knowing your stance on jones, i'd hardly call you an "objective" resource.

 

[iceberg]

I know, right?

It's like last year, after we picked a LB and another TE - everyone was all like "We needed to fix the offensive line"..."Dumb-*** Bill picking Linebackers and jersey boys again, instead of legitimately addressing the offensive line"..."Who the hell is Kyle Kosier"....etc.

It was really intolerable.

Looks like this year it will be about Stanback.

:

yep. i was pretty hot about that and wow - our line DID suck and needed some major love this off-season. what a fool i was to think another LB in our LB refugee camp would be a wasted pick and that two TE set we were going to run - where the hell did that go? and a year later, kosier is regarded by many as our "weak link". didn't take long to get to that point, did it?

but i digress.

while i didn't like the picks, i think carpenter did a great job when *finally* called upon to play. i hope he pans out regardless of my own thoughts at the time and i'll take his play "play by play" to see how he does and not pass off some instant "i don't like you" and therefor he sucks.

same w/fasano. will we finally see the vaunted (2) TE set? and again, while i didn't like the pick, he's a cowboy. i hope he works out also.

there's a difference in going "that's a wasted pick!" from "i wouldn't have gone that direction" but it gets mixed up quite a bit in here.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

He'll make the team.

Premature evaluation strikes again.

Yep.
Astute obervation, Hostile man. I am going to keep my eye on you. You might still make the cut here at the Zone.

Stanback can QB in an emergency, he can catch the ball and he can return punts/kicks.

He was not drafted so we could cut him

 

[superpunk]

yep. i was pretty hot about that and wow - our line DID suck and needed some major love this off-season. what a fool i was to think another LB in our LB refugee camp would be a wasted pick and that two TE set we were going to run - where the hell did that go? and a year later, kosier is regarded by many as our "weak link". didn't take long to get to that point, did it?

but i digress.

while i didn't like the picks, i think carpenter did a great job when *finally* called upon to play. i hope he pans out regardless of my own thoughts at the time and i'll take his play "play by play" to see how he does and not pass off some instant "i don't like you" and therefor he sucks.

same w/fasano. will we finally see the vaunted (2) TE set? and again, while i didn't like the pick, he's a cowboy. i hope he works out also.

there's a difference in going "that's a wasted pick!" from "i wouldn't have gone that direction" but it gets mixed up quite a bit in here.

Yeah, sometimes it's hard to see when we're guilty of doing the exact same things that annoy us so much when others do them. Very true.