Why would Ware take a pay cut?

[ABQCOWBOY]

Maybe, but maybe not. Cant know for sure. If ware played his entire career in cleveland would he have such a great reputation around the league? Idk
I like to base my arguments on facts, not meaningless conjecture.
Fact is, jerry made ware a cowboy and compensated him fairly his entire HOF Career. Its safe to say jerry played a part in wares career to this point. He should be grateful to the Dallas Cowboys. Jerry made him a marquee player on the most visible team in the NFL.
12 mil is unreasonable. No team would pay him that, so why would he try to play hardball with the organization that has always done right by him. He should want to get a deal done at a fair price for the greater good of the organization.

You like to work on facts? That's funny. You like to work on facts yet all you are talking about is hypothetical. If he had been drafted by Cleveland. Well, he was not drafted by Cleveland. Cleveland had the 3rd pick in that draft I believe but they were never going to draft Ware. However, San Diego, as I recall, was going to draft Ware if he were available. Instead, they took Merriman, who early on, was considered better then Ware. Now, had it not been for getting caught for usage, perhaps Merriman would have been thought of as a HOF player as well. Either way, I don't think it's a reach to think that had Ware gone to San Diego, his career would not have been succesful. I'm pretty sure it would have been.

 

[Chuck 54]

The bottom line is he takes a pay cut with the Cowboys or a pay cut with someone else. No team in the NFL, not even a contender will give him what we have him scheduled to make.

We need to keep it civil, but give him a chance to check out free agency via a pink slip if. He doesn't want to take a cut.

 

[theSHOW]

Take it for what it's worth, but a source close to Ware tells me if the Cowboys cut him, Daniel Snyder is ready to sign him. The Commanders aren't a contender - at least they weren't last year - but they're two years removed from the playoffs, and Ware would love nothing more than to stick it to the Cowboys twice a year.

Oh make this happen. I would tune in and watch the aftergame all22 on the matchups.

 

[TrailBlazer]

You like to work on facts? That's funny. You like to work on facts yet all you are talking about is hypothetical. If he had been drafted by Cleveland. Well, he was not drafted by Cleveland. Cleveland had the 3rd pick in that draft I believe but they were never going to draft Ware. However, San Diego, as I recall, was going to draft Ware if he were available. Instead, they took Merriman, who early on, was considered better then Ware. Now, had it not been for getting caught for usage, perhaps Merriman would have been thought of as a HOF player as well. Either way, I don't think it's a reach to think that had Ware gone to San Diego, his career would not have been succesful. I'm pretty sure it would have been.

You didn't say he couldve been HOF for SD. You said he wouldve been a HOFer for ANY team. That's a conclusion based on incomplete information; thus the meaningless conjecture remark.

Back to my original point, ware should want to get a fair deal done to benefit the team. I dont understand how a cowboy fan could sit back and be fine with the idea of ware considering the skins bc jerry might not be the highest bidder. His production the past 2 years doesnt warrant a 16mil cap hit. I don't think it would benefit his family to relocate just bc he wants to get the most money possible. Money shouldn't be the only factor. 7 mil would be a generous offer.

No team pays 12 mil for a pas rusher that old coming off surgery, coming off a whopping 6 sack season. Surely he realizes that hes not worth that much money. Especially when a guy(selvie) earning 1/6th of wares 2013 base salary(6mil) came in here and out produced him.
Ware should Stop the hardball tactics, dont mention "Commanders" unless it is used to insult them, and Just get a fair deal done. Small sacrifice for the good of the team. Not too much to ask from a team leader to negotiate a fair contract.

Guy could be in the ROH someday but is considering the skins. Doesn't sit right with me.

 

[Section446]

I wouldn't blame him one bit if he held his ground, and didn't accept a pay cut. But we need to hold our ground and make it clear that he'll be cut if he doesn't accept a drastic cut.

 

[Verdict]

I was just using the numbers for an example. They're not Ware's numbers. My main point is that the reason why players take pay cuts is that they feel they can't go out in the open market and get essentially get more money than what the requested pay cut would pay.





YR

Your post doesn't really make sense. His cap hit isn't real dollars that he would receive from us next year.

 

[Verdict]

I've been wondering that. So if we cut him, we don't have to pay him the 8mil? It's just dead money?

It is prorated signing bonus that would be accelerated due to us cutting him. We don't have to pay him another dime if we cut him. We would have dead money due to the fact that the money was paid in a lump sum as a signing bonus (at the front end of the contract or in restructures or both) which was originally stretched out over a longer contract but is accelerated because the contract term would be shorter due to us cutting him.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You didn't say he couldve been HOF for SD. You said he wouldve been a HOFer for ANY team. That's a conclusion based on incomplete information; thus the meaningless conjecture remark.

Back to my original point, ware should want to get a fair deal done to benefit the team. I dont understand how a cowboy fan could sit back and be fine with the idea of ware considering the skins bc jerry might not be the highest bidder. His production the past 2 years doesnt warrant a 16mil cap hit. I don't think it would benefit his family to relocate just bc he wants to get the most money possible. Money shouldn't be the only factor. 7 mil would be a generous offer.

No team pays 12 mil for a pas rusher that old coming off surgery, coming off a whopping 6 sack season. Surely he realizes that hes not worth that much money. Especially when a guy(selvie) earning 1/6th of wares 2013 base salary(6mil) came in here and out produced him.
Ware should Stop the hardball tactics, dont mention "Commanders" unless it is used to insult them, and Just get a fair deal done. Small sacrifice for the good of the team. Not too much to ask from a team leader to negotiate a fair contract.

Guy could be in the ROH someday but is considering the skins. Doesn't sit right with me.

He would have been.

You know what I can't understand? I can't understand a rational person taking a position like yours. Ware should take the best deal out there. If that's Washington, then so be it. We will have had the opportunity to keep him. If we don't, then that's on us.

He is worth what somebody is willing to pay him. Surely you realize this. What you think he's worth and what a team might be willing to pay him may or may not be the same.

He should make as much as he can in the time he has available. How can anybody not understand that?

If Ware is somehow not in the ROH because he elects to take more money to play elsewhere after we release him, then he's probably better off without that honor.

 

[LatinMind]

Ware opened his mouth and said he knew money wasnt everything. That with a smaller caphit the team could bring in help. He should take the pay cut because if youre going to talk the talk. Walk the walk

 

[Section446]

He would have been.

You know what I can't understand? I can't understand a rational person taking a position like yours. Ware should take the best deal out there. If that's Washington, then so be it. We will have had the opportunity to keep him. If we don't, then that's on us.

He is worth what somebody is willing to pay him. Surely you realize this. What you think he's worth and what a team might be willing to pay him may or may not be the same.

He should make as much as he can in the time he has available. How can anybody not understand that?

If Ware is somehow not in the ROH because he elects to take more money to play elsewhere after we release him, then he's probably better off without that honor.

I'm 100% in support of Ware making as much money as he can, the guy doesn't have a lot of time left. But I'm in no way in support of him doing it here in Dallas. It's time for us to start moving on from the older players, and start a youth movement. That starts with Ware, and continues with Witten and Romo.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Your post doesn't really make sense. His cap hit isn't real dollars that he would receive from us next year.

I made the numbers up because I was using it an example. I should have clarified that. I apologize.




YR

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Ware opened his mouth and said he knew money wasnt everything. That with a smaller caphit the team could bring in help. He should take the pay cut because if youre going to talk the talk. Walk the walk

I believe he was talking about restructure. is that not correct?

Be that as it may, less money and the money that he thinks he deserves and this board thinks he deserves may be two very different things. He's worth whatever somebody is willing to pay him. That may be more then 7 Million or less, I don't know.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'm 100% in support of Ware making as much money as he can, the guy doesn't have a lot of time left. But I'm in no way in support of him doing it here in Dallas. It's time for us to start moving on from the older players, and start a youth movement. That starts with Ware, and continues with Witten and Romo.

I don't really have a problem with your post. I mean, I do believe that in the right situation, Ware can still be extremely valuable but I'm not sure that we are in a position to take advantage of that.

If the team want's to offer him X amount of money and he can go out and find a team that offers him more, then I got no problem with him taking the better offer. He would be stupid not to IMO. I just don't understand how anybody should or even could feel like he should just take whatever amount the Cowboys offer and just shut up about it. That's not even semi realistic.

Not surprised though. Fans often don't view things in a very partisan way, when it comes to situations like this.

It is what it is I suppose.

 

[LatinMind]

I believe he was talking about restructure. is that not correct?

Be that as it may, less money and the money that he thinks he deserves and this board thinks he deserves may be two very different things. He's worth whatever somebody is willing to pay him. That may be more then 7 Million or less, I don't know.

I understand that too.

But sometimes you have to just do whats right. I know into todays NFL thats rare. But the type of person Ware is i think he falls in that rare type of player. And that has nothing to do with his play on the field. But the type of person he is.

When its said and done i dont think he wants to play anywhere else. And i think he'll do what he needs to stay a Cowboy. And if thats take a paycut, then so be it. I think he'll either reduce his overall salary to 10mil or try and get a new deal like Suggs. 3 yr 25 mil yr deal, i could see that happening.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I understand that too.

But sometimes you have to just do whats right. I know into todays NFL thats rare. But the type of person Ware is i think he falls in that rare type of player. And that has nothing to do with his play on the field. But the type of person he is.

When its said and done i dont think he wants to play anywhere else. And i think he'll do what he needs to stay a Cowboy. And if thats take a paycut, then so be it. I think he'll either reduce his overall salary to 10mil or try and get a new deal like Suggs. 3 yr 25 mil yr deal, i could see that happening.

It's possible that he might do either of those things but the numbers that are being thrown around on this board are half of what he's scheduled to make this year. Perhaps that is accurate but I kind of doubt they are.

I guess we'll see.

 

[TrailBlazer]

He would have been.

You know what I can't understand? I can't understand a rational person taking a position like yours. Ware should take the best deal out there. If that's Washington, then so be it. We will have had the opportunity to keep him. If we don't, then that's on us.

He is worth what somebody is willing to pay him. Surely you realize this. What you think he's worth and what a team might be willing to pay him may or may not be the same.

He should make as much as he can in the time he has available. How can anybody not understand that?

If Ware is somehow not in the ROH because he elects to take more money to play elsewhere after we release him, then he's probably better off without that honor.

You can't understand my position? Wanting ware to negotiate a fair deal for the betterment of the team.

"make as much as he can in the time he has available."
If that's all that matters, then sure. I like to pretend some players consider other factors such as familiarity and the best interests of their families.

Fair enough. No need to go in circles about this.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You can't understand my position? Wanting ware to negotiate a fair deal for the betterment of the team.

"make as much as he can in the time he has available."
If that's all that matters, then sure. I like to pretend some players consider other factors such as familiarity and the best interests of their families.

Fair enough. No need to go in circles about this.

That's not your position. Your position is for Ware to settle for whatever the team wants to pay him because you somehow feel like he owes it to Jerry and the team. I don't agree with that.

 

[theSHOW]

And we shouldn't complain if he decides to accept an offer for more money with a rival team, if that is available.

no doubt about that...but when Tyron gets his pads on him and Murray takes the corner for a 1st down I will jump up and down with my hands in the air. And my tail wagging.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

no doubt about that...but when Tyron gets his pads on him and Murray takes the corner for a 1st down I will jump up and down with my hands in the air. And my tail wagging.

At the end of the day, I'm always going to be for the Cowboys so I understand this. I just try not to allow my fandom from interfering with what I see as sensible. I would never expect anybody to work for less if they were not somehow legally obligated to do so. That's just not how things work and I'm OK with that.

 

[theSHOW]

At the end of the day, I'm always going to be for the Cowboys so I understand this. I just try not to allow my fandom from interfering with what I see as sensible. I would never expect anybody to work for less if they were not somehow legally obligated to do so. That's just not how things work and I'm OK with that.

Good thread. I made this response then after I posted I read a similar stance from bk... and you and bk were like Ali Frazier 3 ...you guys better save some for the next fight. Lots of good points here from lots of guys. I agree Jerry will offer about 6 mil and Ware will have his agent quietly make some calls. And life will go on. You know my stance is not for keeping DW. FreeAgency is just around the corner, so emotions are high as many fan have done their homework, just wish we had a chance at a bigger gift wrapped player