With Moore retired, Cowboys now interested in signing Brian Waters

[gdogg24]

I just find it unlikely Waters is in any kind of shape to play. Why not just sign Larry Allen then?

I wouldn't be surprised if he'd still end up being out best O-Lineman lol. Isn't Waters like pretty high up there in age idk I don't like this signing but we do need some quality depth and are there many other options?

 

[Echo9]

I think they are not happy with Arkin starting; and think Bernie is not much better and of course Livings is not one you can count on right now. So they are looking for someone that can either start or push hard for the starting spot.

I agree that they are uncomfortable with the idea of Arkin starting right now. However, I think that having Leary start on the other side plays into this quite a bit. I have to think that they are VERY uncomfortable with the idea of starting both OGs and a C with zero real NFL experience. A vet to bridge the gap for one year would help that a great deal.

 

[mldardy]

Ray Donaldson had a heck of a season for us in 1995 at about the same age. I'd rather have a guy with a history of success in the league, even if he's old, then the mess we have right now.

I was getting ready to mention Donaldson. He is the first player that comes to mind when Waters name comes up right now.

 

[mldardy]

Great. Let's sign a 36 year old guard who sat out all of 2012.

What will it hurt to bring him in? You act like this is some outrageous thing. 'Oh my God how could we, I'm appalled I won't stand for bringing in a player to see what he can do for us" Get over yourself.

 

[Verdict]

If the interest in Waters (at age 36) is real, then I think that it MOST LIKELY indicates that:

1. They are not satisfied with Arkin as the starter at guard. OR
2. That either none of the other guards on the roster are healthy enough to play OR they have decided that none of them are even acceptable backups.

Most likely it is number 1. You don't go out and try to sign a 36 year old guard at this point in the season to be a backup. If they thought that Arkin was a suitable starter they would wait until the final roster cut downs and get a guard on the cheap to serve as a backup. In my opinion this is a very telling action by the Cowboys.

 

[Idgit]

Where you live and work shouldn't matter to you? It makes sense to me, and when I was on the job market there were certainly states that I wouldn't have considered moving to no matter what the job offer.

It matters. I'm not going to let it be a serious factor in deciding whether or not I'm going to give up my blood, sweat, tears for a multimillion dollar contract. For me, at least, it'd be such a secondary consideration (way behind playing for a contender, too) that, if it's coming into play, it makes me question how much weight he's placing on the factors that I think are much more important indicators of his commitment and desire at this point in his career.

 

[Verdict]

What will it hurt to bring him in? You act like this is some outrageous thing. 'Oh my God how could we, I'm appalled I won't stand for bringing in a player to see what he can do for us" Get over yourself.

What will it hurt to bring him in? You act like this is some outrageous thing. 'Oh my God how could we, I'm appalled I won't stand for bringing in a player to see what he can do for us" Get over yourself.

It doesn't "hurt" anything to bring him in to compete, except the salary cap hit and the roster spot he takes up. But any way you slice it, it is a sign that the Cowboys feel like they are understaffed with a quality player or players at the guard position. It is not like he is some stud that just got cut as a cap casualty. He has been on the market for over a year. This is a desperation play folks.

 

[pancakeman]

It matters. I'm not going to let it be a serious factor in deciding whether or not I'm going to give up my blood, sweat, tears for a multimillion dollar contract. For me, at least, it'd be such a secondary consideration (way behind playing for a contender, too) that, if it's coming into play, it makes me question how much weight he's placing on the factors that I think are much more important indicators of his commitment and desire at this point in his career.

Fair enough.

 

[DeaconMoss]

I say we kick some more tires. Here are a few to try. Anybody have anything on these guys?

Justin Boren
http://www.nfl.com/player/justinboren/2495428/profile

Rex Hadnot
http://www.nfl.com/player/rexhadnot/2506093/profile

Jeff Linkenbahc
http://www.nfl.com/player/jeffreylinkenbach/2507963/profile

Mitch Petrus
http://www.nfl.com/player/mitchpetrus/497040/profile

Rich Ranglin
http://www.nfl.com/player/richranglin/2536076/profile

Deuce lutui
http://www.nfl.com/player/deucelutui/2506892/profile

 

[jobberone]

While I'd feel better with Moore, Waters would at least bring depth and competition for that last OG spot (It looks like Leary has 1 OG spot locked up). At 36, I have reservations of the impact he can bring but its a no risk type of move. Bottom line is the Cowboys don't think they have a dependable starting at OG outside of Leary right now. Waters has a chance to be that.

I like the part about competition. I'm not sure if he's signed he's considered the starter. What I see is you have Livings hurt and I'm expecting he's in danger of not playing much or at all this year. Then you have Ski hurt and he's even a bigger question mark than Livings as is Arkin. You have Bernie who is injured and inconsistent. Then a few others including Cook and some I don't even know one a 32 yo rookie from Little College. That's too many question marks for me. I'm guessing they think Water/Moore/Livings/Bernie are kind of a wash all having pros and cons. I like a veteran presence on the line where Free is the most experienced. So I won't be surprised if they sign Waters even guaranteeing a one year contract. My guess is he'll be on a plane today for a physical.

 

[mldardy]

It doesn't "hurt" anything to bring him in to compete, except the salary cap hit and the roster spot he takes up. But any way you slice it, it is a sign that the Cowboys feel like they are understaffed with a quality player or players at the guard position. It is not like he is some stud that just got cut as a cap casualty. He has been on the market for over a year. This is a desperation play folks.

How do you know that Waters hasn't been contacted and turned those teams down? Just because he's been out a year doesn't mean there isn't any interest. He may not be interested in the teams that may be contacting him or he is content with being 'retired'. The Cowboys aren't the only team that is understaffed at the guard position. I would say most teams are. Waters is worth it and if you are going to be desperate as you put it I'd rather be desperate on a player like Waters than for someone else.

 

[CowboysLegend365]

Having a hard time getting too excited about this one as a consolation prize. I wanted him when he was last available, but now we're a couple years further down the road. I also don't get the 'wanted to play for a team in Texas' stuff. That seems like a ridiculous excuse for not signing an NFL contract, to me. Either you want to play, or you want a title, or you don't. It doesn't really matter which state we're talking about.

It's really nothing to "get". These guys have families and children just like anybody else. Being a vet and already through 2/3 contracts you've already made your money and that's not a major issue. It's the getting on a plane and leaving your family (with school right around the corner) for the next 6 months. Waters family obviously lives in Texas hence why he'd wanna stay close and play.

I believe if the Jets or Giants offered Moore a contract he would've taken it, his wife and kids live in NY. It's not hard to understand where these guys are coming from, especially being a father.

 

[TheSport78]

If the interest in Waters (at age 36) is real, then I think that it MOST LIKELY indicates that:

1. They are not satisfied with Arkin as the starter at guard. OR
2. That either none of the other guards on the roster are healthy enough to play OR they have decided that none of them are even acceptable backups.

Most likely it is number 1. You don't go out and try to sign a 36 year old guard at this point in the season to be a backup. If they thought that Arkin was a suitable starter they would wait until the final roster cut downs and get a guard on the cheap to serve as a backup. In my opinion this is a very telling action by the Cowboys.

Arkin isn't a starter. Bernadeau is.

 

[Verdict]

Arkin isn't a starter. Bernadeau is.

Right now it doesn't really look like either one of them are being counted on to start..... or maybe even contribute.

 

[TheSport78]

Right now it doesn't really look like either one of them are being counted on to start..... or maybe even contribute.

Totally agree. Hey, if they're willing to sign a 36 year old guard that hasn't played football in 18 months, that doesn't bode well for Arkin, Nard and company.

 

[Angus]

What is the liklihood that some good, young guard prospects now on other teams will be put on waivers by their teams hoping to get them to their practice squads? Is Dallas keeping an eye on them? Would taking one or two of them be better than committing to an older retread?

 

[Idgit]

It's really nothing to "get". These guys have families and children just like anybody else. Being a vet and already through 2/3 contracts you've already made your money and that's not a major issue. It's the getting on a plane and leaving your family (with school right around the corner) for the next 6 months. Waters family obviously lives in Texas hence why he'd wanna stay close and play.

I believe if the Jets or Giants offered Moore a contract he would've taken it, his wife and kids live in NY. It's not hard to understand where these guys are coming from, especially being a father.

Football's a demanding career. It requires time away from your family by it's very nature. I salute him if he'd prefer not to make the sacrifice and wants to be with his family, instead. But give me the guy who's sure he's prepared to offer whatever it takes over the one who doesn't want to be particularly inconvenienced.

 

[Verdict]

What is the liklihood that some good, young guard prospects now on other teams will be put on waivers by their teams hoping to get them to their practice squads? Is Dallas keeping an eye on them? Would taking one or two of them be better than committing to an older retread?

In short, YES, it would. That is why this move sounds more like they think that they desperately need help NOW. If we were just in the market for an additional backup to churn the roster it would make more sense to wait and see who gets cut.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Rex Hadnot
http://www.nfl.com/player/rexhadnot/2506093/profile

Rex Hadnot has had some starting experience in both Miami and Arizona He has some versatility in that he can play both Guard spots and Center. He had a knee injury a few years back which took most of the 09 and 10 season to recover from. He's not a Pro Bowl guard but he could provide depth. He's coming up on his 10th Season.

Mitch Petrus
http://www.nfl.com/player/mitchpetrus/497040/profile

I liked Petrus coming out of Arkansas. He might be an interesting pick up. He was drafted by the Giants but was never able to crack the starting lineup. That may not mean much as the Giants have pretty good interior OL people. He's spent time in New England and in Tennessee. As far as I know, he is unsigned.

Deuce lutui
http://www.nfl.com/player/deucelutui/2506892/profile

Lutui, I believe is serving a drug suspension for the first 4 games. He was a starter in Arizona. He played at SC so it's possible that Kiffin might have access to some inside info on him.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Ray Donaldson had a heck of a season for us in 1995 at about the same age. I'd rather have a guy with a history of success in the league, even if he's old, then the mess we have right now.

yah, but you are talking about a SB caliber team. This is a team barely capable of the playoffs. Filling a hole for one year isn't going to amount to anything of consequence.