Witness claims Ezekiel Elliott was not involved in altercation **merged**

[DogFace]

Better? Yes. Still lots of better options that wouldn't jeopardize his career or the team.

I thought we were being realistic and discussing the possibilities of what may have happened.

Ok. I wish at the time of the in incident he was walking an old lady across the street and she varified it via Snapchat.

 

[haleyrules]

Where I grew up is insignificant, because we live in a Western society where free citizenship comes with the price of abiding by the social contract.

It is actually astonishing you cannot grasp this concept... perhaps I can simplify it.

You want to be a member of a group, follow that group's rules or you will lose your membership. Greg Hardy certainly found that out, but I'm sure your rebuttal will dispute that and maintain your stance that off-field behavior doesn't matter.

God, l really wish the Cowboys still had Hardy. He was perfect for this present defense. Free society...interesting. Are you sure about that. Think your "rules" apply evenly to everyone??

 

[Trouty]

God, l really wish the Cowboys still had Hardy. He was perfect for this present defense. Free society...interesting. Are you sure about that. Think your "rules" apply evenly to everyone??

Same, Boxer.

Hardy would be the answer we need right now, the proven answer at RDE. Such a shame we let him go. I will rue that until we have a monster that fills the void that he left.

 

[DogFace]

God, l really wish the Cowboys still had Hardy. He was perfect for this present defense. Free society...interesting. Are you sure about that. Think your "rules" apply evenly to everyone??

Shockingly many actually do. Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

 

[Sydla]

Same, Boxer.

Hardy would be the answer we need right now, the proven answer at RDE. Such a shame we let him go. I will rue that until we have a monster that fills the void that he left.

I like you but this is a stretch.

For one, Hardy certainly wasn't dominant when he was here. He was good. That's about it.

Two, for a league that is desperate for pass rushers, the fact he sits on the sidelines with no one willing to touch him even now suggests that teams not only don't want the PR with him but are not sure that he's even great enough to warrant subjecting yourself to the PR nightmare.

 

[Trouty]

I like you but this is a stretch.

For one, Hardy certainly wasn't dominant when he was here. He was good. That's about it.

Two, for a league that is desperate for pass rushers, the fact he sits on the sidelines with no one willing to touch him even now suggests that teams not only don't want the PR with him but are not sure that he's even great enough to warrant subjecting yourself to the PR nightmare.

I'm not saying he was dominant, at least for the whole 12 games he played. But...

First, he missed four games, came back and was a wrecking ball until the Brady's wife fiasco, to be fair. Imo, he would've been a dominant force, had we re-signed him and committed to him, there's no doubt in my mind. And he lead that line, as crazy as he was. And it was a good crazy, Syd.

As has been mentioned numerous times, he also freed up our LDE to actually be productive. I firmly believe this would've continued and DLaw would've had better numbers for us than he's had since The Kraken left.

As to your #2, I find it simply befuddling. There's no other explanation for me, other than he's black-balled, tho that's complete speculation. As you say, pass rushers are incredibly hard to find, especially 4-3 RDE. It's not for lack of talent, imo, or lesser talent mitigated by PR, as you posit (which is completely fair), but due to, again, being black-balled.

All of this with respect to your opinion, Syd.

And thanks for liking me It means a lot coming from one of my favorite posters and one of our great ones on the site (and you know I feel this way of you, Syd)

 

[JoeKing]

No offense, but that's how life works. Businesses have rules. You know, I'd like to show up in shorts and a tee shirt at my job every day but I can't. We have a dress code. In other words, I have to take it or leave it when it comes to how I dress for work. It's a silly analogy but it is made to highlight a point. Corporations set rules and codes of conduct for their employees every day. Is that slavery too?

The constant reference you make to slavery is moronic. It just is.

Now if I have an issue with the NFL, it would be their inconsistent methodologies when it comes to punishments for infractions committed by players. I have no problem with the NFL instituting a code of conduct that requires players to behave off the field. Where I have a problem is that when something happens, there seems to be no rhyme or reason to how they justify some of the punishments. But that's not even close to "slavery".

Thank you for seeming to be countering my post but actually repeating what I said. My actual quote was... "it's not slavery per se", you say "it's not slavery"... so we agree. I said, "the commish dishes out punishment inconsistently" and you say you have an issue with, "inconsistent.. punishments" so again we agree. Welcome aboard and I'm glad you finally caught up.

 

[JoeKing]

That's a different conversation. My point here is that it's insulting to compare playing in the NFL under its current rules with slavery. And you acknowledge that in the underlined comment above.

Now if you're talking about whether the owners are treating players as fair as they possibly can, that's another issue.

I concede your point my friend. Let it be known that I'm not so stubborn on opinions that I can't do that.

 

[tyke1doe]

and you fall into the trap of moral equivalency. Where did I mention the Holocaust- YOU brought that up also as regards Murder.

You didn't mention the Holocaust. I did. And I did so to show you that concepts may be the same (murder) but situations aren't the same (killing 10 people vs. killing millions of people).

Frankly you need to get your head out of the 'poor little me I am so conspired against' mentality.

And you need to learn how to discuss topics sans super sensitivity.
Citing the differences between situations is not having a "poor little me" mentality.

Murder is murder no matter the reason or who does it. Until you understand that reality there is no point talking to you.

So I guess that means we should never examine the differences and similarities between 9/11, the Holocaust, the Tiananmen Square massacre, etc.

Basically what you're saying is that you're not interested in high-level discussion and analysis.

Suit yourself.

have a nice day

That goes without saying.

 

[tyke1doe]

I concede your point my friend. Let it be known that I'm not so stubborn on opinions that I can't do that.

It's just a matter of where we place the emphasis in our discussion. I understand you were likely using hyperbole. I guess I'm more sensitive on the issue of comparing choice issues with slavery.

But I can see that you have strong feelings about how owners treat players. I think that concern is legitimate. But that's a topic for another thread.

Peace.

 

[aria]

I thought we were being realistic and discussing the possibilities of what may have happened.

Ok. I wish at the time of the in incident he was walking an old lady across the street and she varified it via Snapchat.

We are being realistic, I clearly don't understand. Please enlighten me in simpleton terms

 

[aria]

Hardy was and is trash, please don't litter my screen with his name anymore. Thank you in advance!

 

[TheFinisher]

God, l really wish the Cowboys still had Hardy. He was perfect for this present defense. Free society...interesting. Are you sure about that. Think your "rules" apply evenly to everyone??

They're not "my" rules, they're the rules and expectations laid forth by the society you're apart of. And yes free society... because if you don't like the "rules" your population has agreed upon to enforce, you're free to either follow them, break them, or leave the society all together. Just know if you decide to break them, there are agreed upon punishments that will be handed out. The ideas of "natural law", "natural rights", and "punishment" have been around since Plato... even earlier than that. The earliest societies realized this was necessary to provide order.

Shockingly many actually do. Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Lol, what overwhelming evidence would that be?

 

[Sydla]

Thank you for seeming to be countering my post but actually repeating what I said. My actual quote was... "it's not slavery per se", you say "it's not slavery"... so we agree. I said, "the commish dishes out punishment inconsistently" and you say you have an issue with, "inconsistent.. punishments" so again we agree. Welcome aboard and I'm glad you finally caught up.

You said "slavery per se" after you got lambasted for even using the term in the first place.

It's not "slavery per se" either.

 

[JoeKing]

You said "slavery per se" after you got lambasted for even using the term in the first place.

It's not "slavery per se" either.

I'm so glad to see this trend of you repeating things that I've already said continues. I never thought we would ever be so lock step on this issue.

 

[DogFace]

We are being realistic, I clearly don't understand. Please enlighten me in simpleton terms

Say pretty please.

 

[DogFace]

They're not "my" rules, they're the rules and expectations laid forth by the society you're apart of. And yes free society... because if you don't like the "rules" your population has agreed upon to enforce, you're free to either follow them, break them, or leave the society all together. Just know if you decide to break them, there are agreed upon punishments that will be handed out. The ideas of "natural law", "natural rights", and "punishment" have been around since Plato... even earlier than that. The earliest societies realized this was necessary to provide order.



Lol, what overwhelming evidence would that be?

There are many. I'll give you a couple.

Differing Incarceration rates for the same crime for certain groups. One example being crack getting a more severe penalty than powder cocaine despite being nearly identical chemically.

Rates of arrests for the same crime. Despite the fact the group A uses substance D the same amount as group B group B gets arrested far more often.

Rates of being stopped by enforcement...and so on and so on...

 

[Sydla]

I'm so glad to see this trend of you repeating things that I've already said continues. I never thought we would ever be so lock step on this issue.

Yeah. No. You said something stupid. Got called out for it by multiple posters and now you are in damage control trying to subtly walk back the silliness.

 

[tyke1doe]

They're not "my" rules, they're the rules and expectations laid forth by the society you're apart of. And yes free society... because if you don't like the "rules" your population has agreed upon to enforce, you're free to either follow them, break them, or leave the society all together. Just know if you decide to break them, there are agreed upon punishments that will be handed out. The ideas of "natural law", "natural rights", and "punishment" have been around since Plato... even earlier than that. The earliest societies realized this was necessary to provide order.



Lol, what overwhelming evidence would that be?

This is a GREAT post!

 

[erod]

One year, and the guy already has his own forum.

Not good.