Woodson on Dak’s Cowboys Contract: 'Pay the Man'

[buybuydandavis]

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/sports/Woodson-on-Daks-Cowboys-Contract-Pay-the-Man-503529441.html?amp=y

The stupidest endorsement I've ever seen.

"Sign him for the feelz."

 

[nightrain]

They’ll be a new OC next season.

I just hope it"s not Garrett.

 

[LovinItAll]

They better get a new offense in Dallas, because the scheme in town now does not compliment Dak's skill set.

But it did in 2016? It's the same scheme he went 13-3 with. Like all the teams that have byes (all have o-lines rated higher than us) in the playoffs, he needs an o-line.

 

[CowboyRoy]

...and he knows not how to maneuver in the pocket.

Sure, but it wasn't a big deal and wont be a big deal once the line is healthy. Kabeesh?

 

[iceberg]

They better get a new offense in Dallas, because the scheme in town now does not compliment Dak's skill set.

then they'll be working on the new "dak friendly" offense when the flags come in.

 

[BoysForLife]

I never really followed his career before he came here to be totally honest. I didn't even remember he was the OC for Minn with Culpepper until you wrote that. He's clearly run some high powered offenses in the past. I don't know if it's a matter of Garrett stifling his game-planning/play-calling or if it's Dak, or what...but it ain't pretty.

And with a variety of different QB's too.

You look at that list, I'd say Culpepper is the guy who most closely mirrors what we have now (no, folks, I'm not putting Dak in Culpepper's league, but in terms of being a guy that wasn't the prototype NFL pocket only passer and more a mobile dual threat type guy). And that offense was super explosive. Another thing--he did it both ways. the first year he has Michael Bennett rush for about 1300 yards. Years 2 and 3, they didn't have a guy who had more than 750 yards rushing (Bennett was injured a lot both years) and they still went bonkers.

Stafford--they did it with a pure pocket passer and basically no run game most years (and candidly--a significantly worse O line than we have now).

He spent 1 year with Romo and Murray, and they both had the best seasons of their career.

Again--I'm not in the locker room and don't claim to be--I'm just saying that pretty much everywhere Linehan's been responsible for an offense, in a variety of circumstances and with a variety of strengths/skillsets at his disposal, they've moved the rock pretty well. And they've gotten more prolific the longer he was there.

Until now.

 

[nightrain]

But it did in 2016? It's the same scheme he went 13-3 with. Like all the teams that have byes (all have o-lines rated higher than us) in the playoffs, he needs an o-line.

It's not realistic to hope for an all world, dominant OL year in and year out. The OL will be better when Fred is back and as Willams continues to improve. The passing game needs to be more aligned with Dak"s strengths.

 

[Dre11]

Let's try this:

$20M a year would NOT be an extraordinary rate for Dak given his abilities.

$30M a year would definitely be an extraordinary rate for Dak given his abilities.

Again if 30m is the market rate for a qb at the time he gets extended , then it's not extrodinary. Period.

 

[Direwolf63]

Again if 30m is the market rate for a qb at the time he gets extended , then it's not extrodinary. Period.

And like I said earlier, your definition of extraordinary is very different than mine.

 

[Dre11]

Are, are you serious?

Yes it's serious, the market value is the market value, no matter what the cost. Do you think you're going to get a starting qb below market value ?

 

[BoysForLife]

Again if 30m is the market rate for a qb at the time he gets extended , then it's not extrodinary. Period.

You're intentionally leaving out the word "franchise".

$30 Million is the market rate for a franchise QB.
if you think dak is a Franchise QB, then it's not extraordinary.

if you don't believe Dak is a franchise QB, then it's extraordinary.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The pocket crumbles on all QBs. The good ones can step and slide to avoid getting hit at times. You just can't feel good about Dak's pocket presence.

They crumble on some a lot more than others. Lets just take the example of the Cowboys: 2016=28 sacks, 2017=32 sacks, 2018=54 sacks and counting.

Dak was the QB all 3 years. A 5 year old child could look at that one stats and deduce that his Oline has gotten worse. Even before you look at the player changes from then until now.

 

[nightrain]

You're intentionally leaving out the word "franchise".

$30 Million is the market rate for a franchise QB.
if you think dak is a Franchise QB, then it's not extraordinary.

if you don't believe Dak is a franchise QB, then it's extraordinary.

I bet he gets in the neighborhood of 5/$150M. The guaranteed portion will be what makes it nuts or sensible

 

[CowboyRoy]

Offensive line when discussing Dak: Garbage

Offensive line when discussing Zeke: Great Wall

Who are the morons calling it the Great wall? LOL

 

[Dre11]

The Cowboys had a Vet who can play on the roster in 2016, but the Cowboys felt Dak was a better option going forward.

True, but the Cowboys coronated Dak in 2016, let their capable starter to that point retire and pretty much made Dak the franchise QB.

They didn't have a vet that could play, he was injured and not reliable. He ultimately retired because he had a better option and still wasn't 100% sure of his hea

You're intentionally leaving out the word "franchise".

$30 Million is the market rate for a franchise QB.
if you think dak is a Franchise QB, then it's not extraordinary.

if you don't believe Dak is a franchise QB, then it's extraordinary.

Dak' s been the franchise qb for 2 years now....lol
He's been the franchise's qb since 2016...lol

 

[nightrain]

They crumble on some a lot more than others. Lets just take the example of the Cowboys: 2016=28 sacks, 2017=32 sacks, 2018=54 sacks and counting.

Dak was the QB all 3 years. A 5 year old child could look at that one stats and deduce that his Oline has gotten worse. Even before you look at the player changes from then until now.

And your one if about 6 people in the country who thinks those 50+ sacks are all on the OL

 

[BoysForLife]

Yes it's serious, the market value is the market value, no matter what the cost. Do you think you're going to get a starting qb below market value ?

AGain, $30 million is the going rate for a franchise guy

Matt Ryan makes $30 million a year.
Here's what Atlanta got for their $30 million in 2018:

69% completions, 4,546 yards, 33 TD and 6 INT, through 15 games. Added bonus: He's not leading the league in fumbles.

Dak, at 3,498 yards, 18 TD and 8 INT, deserves to be paid the same?

 

[Dre11]

AGain, $30 million is the going rate for a franchise guy

Matt Ryan makes $30 million a year.
Here's what Atlanta got for their $30 million in 2018:

69% completions, 4,546 yards, 33 TD and 6 INT, through 15 games. Added bonus: He's not leading the league in fumbles.

Dak, at 3,498 yards, 18 TD and 8 INT, deserves to be paid the same?

And missed the playoff with Julio Jones, Calvin Ridley, Sanu, and Coleman.

 

[Runwildboys]

They crumble on some a lot more than others. Lets just take the example of the Cowboys: 2016=28 sacks, 2017=32 sacks, 2018=54 sacks and counting.

Dak was the QB all 3 years. A 5 year old child could look at that one stats and deduce that his Oline has gotten worse. Even before you look at the player changes from then until now.

The first 2 years he had arguably the very best O-line in the league. They're about average this year.

 

[BoysForLife]

And missed the playoff with Julio Jones, Calvin Ridley, Sanu, and Coleman.

Yep. Despite average 6 more points per game than the Cowboys are scoring, they'll miss the playoffs.

On this we might actually agree--
you pay a guy that kind of QB money, it inhibits your ability to pay some of the other guys.

Russ Wilson in Seattle, the same. They paid him big time, they had to let some other guys go. Wilson is actually carrying that team more now than when they were winning championships, but they're not going as far.

All the more reason not to pay Dak "going rate" for a franchise QB. #1, I don't think he's in Ryan's league. But even if he were, how does that affect our ability to re sign Cooper, Zeke, Martin, Frederick, Jaylon, VanderEsch, Lawrence, etc, who are (at least in my estimation) much more responsible for our winning this year than Dak is.

Bottom line--you pay a guy $30 million a year, he better be supernatural. And even if he is (as is the case with Ryan this year) it still might not be enough.
If your guy can't give you 4300-4500 yards and 30+ TD, then move on and don't pay him. Pay your defense and your trench guys instead.

thoughts?