Would rather a Zeke suspension this or next year?

[CowboyRoy]

Would you rather face our opening schedule this year without Zeke.. or have "time" to prepare.
Time is always good and preparation is always an advantage.

This time to prepare angle is a minor point in my opinion. Valid, but not more important then the strength of the defense. But then one could argue that with a better D next year we could withstand the loss of Zeke. Especially if we prepared better. Not really a right or wrong answer here.

 

[StarBoyz83]

For sure this year

 

[DenCWBY]

Well, at least you bring up an angle I didnt think about. Preparing for his absence. In my mind, this is more about which team will be better prepared to win the SB. I simply dont think this team has more than an outside shot with or without Zeke. Defense simply wont hold up.

Correct. Defense is the key to getting to the dance. We can have 11 all pros on the offensive side of the ball and it won't matter until we have a respectable, consistent defense.

 

[Typhus]

This time to prepare angle is a minor point in my opinion. Valid, but not more important then the strength of the defense. But then one could argue that with a better D next year we could withstand the loss of Zeke. Especially if we prepared better. Not really a right or wrong answer here.

I just don't get your angle on this D,, outside of the Zeke suspension subject at hand, if you want my opinion on this teams defense, I think they are going to blow your low ball expectations out of the water. If you don't see the upside with this defense this year, than you haven't been keeping a keen eye,, but no offense either way,, most haven't.
This Defense is going to be much better than most so called experts will be able to understand at this point.

 

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

Next. We've got great momentum right now. Not saying we won't the following but you never know

 

[casmith07]

If you truly believe you didn't do anything wrong, then you fight until the courts say you're done.

 

[Stash]

I see a team both last year and this year that dont have a good enough defense to win it all. I see a worse pass rush this year and a worse secondary.

Let's break this down and discuss each individually.

How is the pass rush "worse"? The added Charlton and Tapper should at the very least play. Who have the lost from last season who's production they can't replace, if not improve upon?

Talent is better, but experience is not.

Everyone wanted to be rid of that "experience".

Are things pointing up? Yes, but with a temporary holding pattern until these young defensive players get up to speed. Jaylon included. And last year was an anomoly with injuries. Wont happen again in my opinion.

Injuries are impossible to predict, but they're certainly not a "reason" to hold against any team.

 

[CATCH17]

Ok then let me ask you another question considering you think they definitely have a shot.

Do you think they would have a better shot THIS year or NEXT year after these young guns on D have another year to develop/Jaylon get 100%, Dak another year of experience, ect...ect....

Another year of experience is definitely a positive but it's not just all about the Cowboys.

You have to look around the NFC and compare ourselves to what is out there.

Every team is giving up something. A team like Seattle and New York have good defenses but they have very suspect offensive lines.

Atlanta is coming off a crushing loss and they are built very similar to us. Their good offense and suspect defense.


So do I think we will be a better team a year from now? Yes, but there isn't some team out there that crushes the Cowboys chances this year. Football just doesn't work that way. It's a week to week league.

 

[casmith07]

Another year of experience is definitely a positive but it's not just all about the Cowboys.

You have to look around the NFC and compare ourselves to what is out there.

Every team is giving up something. A team like Seattle and New York have good defenses but they have very suspect offensive lines.

Atlanta is coming off a crushing loss and they are built very similar to us. Their good offense and suspect defense.


So do I think we will be a better team a year from now? Yes, but there isn't some team out there that crushes the Cowboys chances this year. Football just doesn't work that way. It's a week to week league.

If you were wrongfully accused of something and facing jail time, would you just "go to jail and get it over with?"

 

[CATCH17]

If you truly believe you didn't do anything wrong, then you fight until the courts say you're done.

The courts did say he was done. The NFL is the one smearing this thing.

Also, the majority of people think Zeke got a raw deal. He's already won in the court of public opinion.

The people that are against him are just your typical cry babies that care more about grandstanding their opinion then the facts.

 

[Typhus]

Another year of experience is definitely a positive but it's not just all about the Cowboys.

You have to look around the NFC and compare ourselves to what is out there.

Every team is giving up something. A team like Seattle and New York have good defenses but they have very suspect offensive lines.

Atlanta is coming off a crushing loss and they are built very similar to us. Their good offense and suspect defense.


So do I think we will be a better team a year from now? Yes, but there isn't some team out there that crushes the Cowboys chances this year. Football just doesn't work that way. It's a week to week league.

Exactly, every team "should" be better next year, if you are drafting right, developing talent right.
Not slamming you CowboyRoy, but just not getting where your coming from with this whole thread,, this is a win now league, tomorrow is yesterday in this league.

 

[Stash]

I think they can play with anyone. But I dont think they can beat the top 3 teams in the NFC AND the top team in the AFC in 4 straight games on the road. Which is probably what they would have to do this year. Atlanta is better. Now if your saying anything can happen like a big injury to Ryan and Brady, ect...ect..., then sure. Then there is always the Garrett factor for me. He will get out coached. I feel like this team has to have better talent overall in order to win. On defense, I dont have that.

An awful lot of assumptions there, all negative.

Even if we think Atlanta is better, who are the "top 3 teams" they can't beat?

But I didnt think we were going to go 13-3 last year either and they did. But like I said, it was a miracle type season with injuries. The Romo injury actually helping the cause. In a strange way.

I'm not sure you can consider it "miraculous" when you lose your starting quarterback for the season. Dak aside.

They lost a starting corner for 9 weeks and few noticed. The left tackle missed two meaningful games and they still won.

I think the team showed the quality depth they have when they needed to. And I see more of that depth this year.

 

[Stash]

I prefer never as he is to important to what this team does. I just got to keep telling myself he is clean and will be set free...so I would lean this way if forced into a corner but prefer nothing at all.

I agree with you. I don't think he misses any games, I was just playing along with the scenario presented.

 

[casmith07]

The courts did say he was done. The NFL is the one smearing this thing.

Also, the majority of people think Zeke got a raw deal. He's already won in the court of public opinion.

The people that are against him are just your typical cry babies that care more about grandstanding their opinion then the facts.

Answer the question.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I just don't get your angle on this D,, outside of the Zeke suspension subject at hand, if you want my opinion on this teams defense, I think they are going to blow your low ball expectations out of the water. If you don't see the upside with this defense this year, than you haven't been keeping a keen eye,, but no offense either way,, most haven't.
This Defense is going to be much better than most so called experts will be able to understand at this point.

NO, actually I would love to hear your opinion. That is why I create threads like this. And we seem so far apart on the D I want to hear it. Please go over in detail why this D will be much improved.

 

[CATCH17]

If you were wrongfully accused of something and facing jail time, would you just "go to jail and get it over with?"

I did answer the question.

The court has already decided this. He can't prove his innocence because it's a he said she said.

The NFL is taking her side because of their past failures and they are using Zeke as an example.

Most people know this and believe Zeke has a raw deal.

So..

1. Zeke has been to court and there was no crime.

2. A Majority of people are against the league on this.


So here is my question to you.

Can Zeke really prove his innocence or can he do nothing but get his suspension possibly reduced without ever really proving he didn't do anything?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Let's break this down and discuss each individually.

How is the pass rush "worse"? The added Charlton and Tapper should at the very least play. Who have the lost from last season who's production they can't replace, if not improve upon?



Everyone wanted to be rid of that "experience".



Injuries are impossible to predict, but they're certainly not a "reason" to hold against any team.

Perfect, more effective that way:

Irvin out for 4 games, Tapper and Taco wont do much of anything, but they have to play, they will hurt us against the run. Two good rotation DT's gone. The ONLY reason I could possibly see it improving would be a healthy Lawrence. But even if we said a "slight improvement" its not enough in my opinion. And with the secondary not as good in coverage there will be less coverage sacks.

Experience? I honestly didnt like any of the guys that left. But I cant deny they had a solid year last year. Those guys were covering and hitting better then in the past. Rookie mistakes, inexperience, current injuries to them ect...ect... I see growing pains. Carroll suspended.

Inuries? Law of averages really. last year was very very mild. Typically isnt like that two years in a row.

 

[Typhus]

NO, actually I would love to hear your opinion. That is why I create threads like this. And we seem so far apart on the D I want to hear it. Please go over in detail why this D will be much improved.

The Ceiling,, there is a ceiling and a floor,, Ceiling being the upside, and the youth infusion has that. Will there be mistakes, hell ya brother, we are going to see some rookie mistakes that are going to have you slapping your head. Are we going to see a defense come together at the right time, and be playing at a higher level than we have seen in over a decade,,, I believe so.
Major infusion in the secondary, they will take a bit to come together, but this is where Chido, Lewis, White, Woods can help out .... help out, its not like they have to run the show.
Scan is looking like he is reborn, and Byron just starting to take over....
We have suspensions with Irving, Moore.. getting them back will be huge, but we have the depth to sustain at DE, and DT will be tops again against the run.
Enthusiasm .. hell yes,,, but I study this league, not just this team, and I like what this Cowboys team has going on, when I compare it, esp in our own division.
This defense is much deeper than most are seeing right now, even Leon Lett just said the other day to take a close look at Baron Woody and his fundamentals/job assignment/attention to detail,,, he might not make the team, but its been a very long time since I heard an endorsement from someone that I trust with their opinion on a position that high,, on "depth".
I find that intriguing to say the least.

 

[CATCH17]

Perfect, more effective that way:

Irvin out for 4 games, Tapper and Taco wont do much of anything, but they have to play, they will hurt us against the run. Two good rotation DT's gone. The ONLY reason I could possibly see it improving would be a healthy Lawrence. But even if we said a "slight improvement" its not enough in my opinion. And with the secondary not as good in coverage there will be less coverage sacks.

Experience? I honestly didnt like any of the guys that left. But I cant deny they had a solid year last year. Those guys were covering and hitting better then in the past. Rookie mistakes, inexperience, current injuries to them ect...ect... I see growing pains. Carroll suspended.

Inuries? Law of averages really. last year was very very mild. Typically isnt like that two years in a row.

I think you spend too much time focused on the Cowboys warts and you don't look at everyone elses.

The odds of picking the Cowboys to not win the Superbowl are high but I would take that bet on any team including the Patriots.

Dallas is right up there with all of the NFC teams and while I don't see us being a good team early I think we could be better then we were a year ago by mid November.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Another year of experience is definitely a positive but it's not just all about the Cowboys.

You have to look around the NFC and compare ourselves to what is out there.

Every team is giving up something. A team like Seattle and New York have good defenses but they have very suspect offensive lines.

Atlanta is coming off a crushing loss and they are built very similar to us. Their good offense and suspect defense.


So do I think we will be a better team a year from now? Yes, but there isn't some team out there that crushes the Cowboys chances this year. Football just doesn't work that way. It's a week to week league.

I hear ya, but that is a general statement about the league. And Atlanta has a 15 sack DE coming into only his 3rd year. And they got the DE we really wanted when they jumped in front of us in the first round. So their pass rush woes are getting solved in a great way while we are stuck in the mud. We have proven now 2 times that we cant beat Rogers on the road or at home without a good pass rush. What do you think Brady will do with our defense? Im not scared of Seattle or NY.