Would rather a Zeke suspension this or next year?

[phildadon86]

Let me just ask you a straight up question. Do you think the Cowboys have a legitimate chance to win the SB this year?

I do. Zeke is going to play angry. Not to mention you are saying all of this about our pass rush and are forgetting the wild card here. Maliek collins. The kid has been crushing it at camp and so has paea. If we are getting continuous inside pressure that's going to leave dlaw taco tapper and the rest the opportunity to get to the qb. Not to mention how athletic our secondary is now. Add in jaylon smith and im sorry but your pessimism is unwarranted. Our offense moved at will against the Colts and will do so regardless..and that was without Zeke and switzer. It seems they finally caught on to dez running slants. I feel this is our best chance in a long time to bring Lombardi home

 

[Stash]

Perfect, more effective that way:

Irvin out for 4 games,

It hurts, but if Lawrence is healthy and does anything, I think it's a wash, if not better than last year. Remember, he missed four games last year too, and then did little coming off of that back surgery. Early reports on him have been good.

Tapper and Taco wont do much of anything, but they have to play, they will hurt us against the run.

Unsubstantiated negativity.

Two good rotation DT's gone.

McClain maybe? Who's the other?

And Paea was added. And he's been more accomplished and regarded for his career than McClain.

The ONLY reason I could possibly see it improving would be a healthy Lawrence. But even if we said a "slight improvement" its not enough in my opinion. And with the secondary not as good in coverage there will be less coverage sacks.

As I said, anything from Lawrence helps minimize, if not erase the loss of Irving. Anything after week four is gravy.

Experience? I honestly didnt like any of the guys that left.

So why miss them now? Why the rue?

But I cant deny they had a solid year last year. Those guys were covering and hitting better then in the past. Rookie mistakes, inexperience, current injuries to them ect...ect... I see growing pains.

I see the same coaches who got the best out of each and every one of the guys that left - along with the rookie Brown - still being here to coach and prepare the rookies in just that same way. The guys that left didn't suddenly 'get good', they were well coached and put in position to succeed. And the people that put them there are still here and will do the same for the players that are here.

Carroll suspended.

He's a hold the fort, stopgap replacement for Carr. Not a difference maker either way.

Injuries? Law of averages really. last year was very very mild. Typically isnt like that two years in a row.

It's still not anything that can be taken as a given, one way or another.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The Ceiling,, there is a ceiling and a floor,, Ceiling being the upside, and the youth infusion has that. Will there be mistakes, hell ya brother, we are going to see some rookie mistakes that are going to have you slapping your head. Are we going to see a defense come together at the right time, and be playing at a higher level than we have seen in over a decade,,, I believe so.
Major infusion in the secondary, they will take a bit to come together, but this is where Chido, Lewis, White, Woods can help out .... help out, its not like they have to run the show.
Scan is looking like he is reborn, and Byron just starting to take over....
We have suspensions with Irving, Moore.. getting them back will be huge, but we have the depth to sustain at DE, and DT will be tops again against the run.
Enthusiasm .. hell yes,,, but I study this league, not just this team, and I like what this Cowboys team has going on, when I compare it, esp in our own division.

Im kinda with you on most of that, but Im just a year down the road on it. Defensive players take a year or two to really put it together. Surely you can see how all those players you mention will be better next year then they will be this year correct?

 

[CATCH17]

I hear ya, but that is a general statement about the league. And Atlanta has a 15 sack DE coming into only his 3rd year. And they got the DE we really wanted when they jumped in front of us. So their pass rush woes are getting solved in a great way while we are stuck in the mud. We have proven now 2 times that we cant beat Rogers on the road or at home without a good pass rush. What do you think Brady will do with our defense? Im not scared of Seattle or NY.

Brady is just good and he gets rid of the ball quick which nullifies whatever kind of pass rush we would have to begin with.. Could our coverage be better this year? I think so. But not early on but I do think so.


Atlanta is the best on paper but I think the Sports psychology is going to play a factor and just the odds of them repeating seem low.

Atlanta also gives up a lot of points and we didn't last year and they lost Shannahan.


I just wan't no part of Rodgers. I feel good about us beating any team but i'm to the point with Rodgers that I don't think we can ever elevate ourselves to his level of play on the defensive side of the ball and the only way we can beat GB is if our offense is just unconsciously good like it was when we played them earlier in the year and how Atlanta was in the playoffs.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I do. Zeke is going to play angry. Not to mention you are saying all of this about our pass rush and are forgetting the wild card here. Maliek collins. The kid has been crushing it at camp and so has paea. If we are getting continuous inside pressure that's going to leave dlaw taco tapper and the rest the opportunity to get to the qb. Not to mention how athletic our secondary is now. Add in jaylon smith and im sorry but your pessimism is unwarranted. Our offense moved at will against the Colts and will do so regardless..and that was without Zeke and switzer. It seems they finally caught on to dez running slants. I feel this is our best chance in a long time to bring Lombardi home

Im with you on Collins. But a DT isnt going to solve our pass rush woes. He could help. Taco and Tapper can barely get to the QB against 2nd and 3rd stringers on bad teams so far. And Smith...........Cmon, he is coming along nicely, but he isnt ready. Without question he will be better next year then this year. And if you think all these cats will be decent, then they will be great with another year of experience. Any way you slice it, these guys will be better next year then this year.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Brady is just good and he gets rid of the ball quick which nullifies whatever kind of pass rush we would have to begin with.. Could our coverage be better this year? I think so. But not early on but I do think so.


Atlanta is the best on paper but I think the Sports psychology is going to play a factor and just the odds of them repeating seem low.

Atlanta also gives up a lot of points and we didn't last year and they lost Shannahan.


I just wan't no part of Rodgers. I feel good about us beating any team but i'm to the point with Rodgers that I don't think we can ever elevate ourselves to his level of play on the defensive side of the ball and the only way we can beat GB is if our offense is just unconsciously good like it was when we played them earlier in the year and how Atlanta was in the playoffs.

So Atlanta wont repeat the success but we will? Thats biased logic. The Atlanta D was not bad in the 2nd half of the year. And our young turnover can not be overlooked in the secondary.

 

[phildadon86]

Im with you on Collins. But a DT isnt going to solve our pass rush woes. He could help. Taco and Tapper can barely get to the QB against 2nd and 3rd stringers on bad teams so far. And Smith...........Cmon, he is coming along nicely, but he isnt ready. Without question he will be better next year then this year. And if you think all these cats will be decent, then they will be great with another year of experience. Any way you slice it, these guys will be better next year then this year.

I agree. However anything that gets us one year further into daks contract isn't something I'm prepared to risk. We are ready now.

 

[CowboyRoy]

It hurts, but if Lawrence is healthy and does anything, I think it's a wash, if not better than last year. Remember, he missed four games last year too, and then did little coming off of that back surgery. Early reports on him have been good.



Unsubstantiated negativity.



McClain maybe? Who's the other?

And Paea was added. And he's been more accomplished and regarded for his career than McClain.



As I said, anything from Lawrence helps minimize, if not erase the loss of Irving. Anything after week four is gravy.



So why miss them now? Why the rue?



I see the same coaches who got the best out of each and every one of the guys that left - along with the rookie Brown - still being here to coach and prepare the rookies in just that same way. The guys that left didn't suddenly 'get good', they were well coached and put in position to succeed. And the people that put them there are still here and will do the same for the players that are here.



He's a hold the fort, stopgap replacement for Carr. Not a difference maker either way.



It's still not anything that can be taken as a given, one way or another.

Even though you are disagreeing with me, there is nothing you offer up that would give anyone confidence. What is unsubstantiated about Taco and Tapper. What have they done in preseason to make you think they will improve our pass rush? It sound more like you are saying it cant be any worse.

Carr is better than Carrol any way you slice it. I wont even get into Heath because we did that already.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I agree. However anything that gets us one year further into daks contract isn't something I'm prepared to risk. We are ready now.

Ready now? I find that comment baffling.

 

[Typhus]

Im kinda with you on most of that, but Im just a year down the road on it. Defensive players take a year or two to really put it together. Surely you can see how all those players you mention will be better next year then they will be this year correct?

No brother, just doesn't work that way,, every player in the NFL should be better the next year, its the natural progression. Yes this roster has a lot of youth, so I see what your trying to say, but let me ask you this..
Will Witten be better next year
Will Tyron Smith be better next year
Will Dez Bryant be better next year.

 

[CATCH17]

So Atlanta wont repeat the success but we will? Thats biased logic. The Atlanta D was not bad in the 2nd half of the year. And our young turnover can not be overlooked in the secondary.

No i'm saying we have just as good a chance as anyone and that you can make arguments for and against all of these teams and betting against any of these teams to actually go to and win the Superbowl is a good bet.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Why are you changing the subject? We are talking about the young defensive rookies. But I will play along:

Witten............No, Im ready for Rico.
Smith?...as long as his back holds up he will be the same
Dez? I think Dez is in the prime of his career. Leadership and maturation is at a peak. Will be for the next few years.

 

[Zekeats]

Next year with less games

 

[CowboyRoy]

No brother, just doesn't work that way,, every player in the NFL should be better the next year, its the natural progression. Yes this roster has a lot of youth, so I see what your trying to say, but let me ask you this..
Will Witten be better next year
Will Tyron Smith be better next year
Will Dez Bryant be better next year.

Not true, not true. Zeke came in and was a dynamo. Defensive players, especially rookies take longer. You are changing the subject again to try and prove a point. Rookies often struggle.

 

[xwalker]

The Reality thread about Zeke got me thinking. If legal action could possibly delay the suspension which would you take? For this exercise lets assume that he will be facing a 6 game suspension no matter what. The trial would just delay the suspension. Would you rather see the suspension this year for 6 games or next year for 6 games?

Personally, I would take the 6 games this year. The reasoning being that with so many other suspensions, the revamp of the secondary, the lack of pass rush, young defensive players, that were not truly legitimate contenders this year. Next year with another year for the young guys on D and Dak that much more into his development, we have a better chance at the show.

They can be contenders this year even with suspensions, IMO.

I would prefer the Zeke suspension to be after the Giants game but before the next Giants game; although, I have not look at the schedule to see the date of the 2nd game.

I don't want it to happen next year, if for no other reason than I don't want to hear about it for a complete year.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Brady is just good and he gets rid of the ball quick which nullifies whatever kind of pass rush we would have to begin with.. Could our coverage be better this year? I think so. But not early on but I do think so.


Atlanta is the best on paper but I think the Sports psychology is going to play a factor and just the odds of them repeating seem low.

Atlanta also gives up a lot of points and we didn't last year and they lost Shannahan.


I just wan't no part of Rodgers. I feel good about us beating any team but i'm to the point with Rodgers that I don't think we can ever elevate ourselves to his level of play on the defensive side of the ball and the only way we can beat GB is if our offense is just unconsciously good like it was when we played them earlier in the year and how Atlanta was in the playoffs.

All Rogers did was expose of for our weakness. A weakness we havent solved. There are other Rogers out there. Brady and Atlanta offense as a whole are out there. IN fact, I wouldnt trust our defense against any top 10 QB with the game on the line.

 

[CowboyRoy]

They can be contenders this year even with suspensions, IMO.

I would prefer the Zeke suspension to be after the Giants game but before the next Giants game; although, I have not look at the schedule to see the date of the 2nd game.

I don't want it to happen next year, if for no other reason than I don't want to hear about it for a complete year.

Agreed.

 

[Typhus]

Why are you changing the subject? We are talking about the young defensive rookies. But I will play along:

Witten............No, Im ready for Rico.
Smith?...as long as his back holds up he will be the same
Dez? I think Dez is in the prime of his career. Leadership and maturation is at a peak. Will be for the next few years.

Rookies usually always struggle, we hit the mega millions jackpot in 1 draft with Zeke and Dak, that's not what I'm saying.
You cant have an entire roster that's 23 yrs old,,, your vets get you to the big dance as well.
Choosing to wait until next year, is a failure.

 

[Nightman]

We need top level EE more than ever with the early season suspensions

Always push it back and fight it ...... the NFL is out of control and the courts know it

Plus he can always drop it any more convenient time.....lets say he gets hurt and will miss 4 games anyways...... drop the appeal and take the suspension

Maybe we get off to 10-0 start and can afford to split the last 6 games...... fighting keeps all the options open

 

[CATCH17]

All Rogers did was expose of for our weakness. A weakness we havent solved. There are other Rogers out there. Brady and Atlanta offense as a whole are out there. IN fact, I wouldnt trust our defense against any top 10 QB with the game on the line.

Not every team has a Rodgers though.

Rodgers is elite from the pocket and he can run which gives us fits.

I'd rather face Brady any day over Rodgers with our team.


Matt Ryan is stuck in the pocket. I'm way more worried about Julio.