Would rather a Zeke suspension this or next year?

[Stash]

Even though you are disagreeing with me, there is nothing you offer up that would give anyone confidence. What is unsubstantiated about Taco and Tapper. What have they done in preseason to make you think they will improve our pass rush?

Not much from Tapper, but Charlton has a sack in three games, and has looked better each week. I'll ask you, how low is the bar for what they have to do for things to be better? If Taco gets four sacks on the season, it's an improvement over last year.

It sound more like you are saying it cant be any worse.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I am saying. They've added potential pass rush, in Moore, Tapper, and Charlton, and possibly a healthier Lawrence. Who have they lost?

Carr is better than Carrol any way you slice it. I wont even get into Heath because we did that already.

The organization doesn't agree. Carroll has been their Carr replacement for two years now. Not saying they're right or wrong, but that's what their actions show. And either way, we're talking about mediocre cornerback play that the team is looking to upgrade.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

Next year.

If the 6 games stood, that means he can't be around anybody on the team for six weeks. Can't come to the facility, can't be in contact, nothing.

Do you want Zeke roaming the country with nothing to do for six weeks right now?

 

[casmith07]

I did answer the question.

The court has already decided this. He can't prove his innocence because it's a he said she said.

The NFL is taking her side because of their past failures and they are using Zeke as an example.

Most people know this and believe Zeke has a raw deal.

So..

1. Zeke has been to court and there was no crime.

2. A Majority of people are against the league on this.


So here is my question to you.

Can Zeke really prove his innocence or can he do nothing but get his suspension possibly reduced without ever really proving he didn't do anything?

It's a yes or no question, dude. You didn't answer it.

To your question - yes. A win via appeal and reduction plus a "moral victory" in the court system will help aide his perception in the court of public opinion.

 

[CowboyRoy]

No i'm saying we have just as good a chance as anyone and that you can make arguments for and against all of these teams and betting against any of these teams to actually go to and win the Superbowl is a good bet.

Rookies usually always struggle, we hit the mega millions jackpot in 1 draft with Zeke and Dak, that's not what I'm saying.
You cant have an entire roster that's 23 yrs old,,, your vets get you to the big dance as well.
Choosing to wait until next year, is a failure.

Im just relaying a point. If you think these kids will be good this year, then they have to be better next year. Which is my point. Vets get you to the dance if they are good vets. Some of the vets we have on D are simply not good enough. Collins, Jones, and Lee are the only vets on D I would give a hoot about. Scandric when healthy can be good. The rest are stop gap garbage other than the young talented guys we have on D. But lets be honest, we really dont know about them yet. If you have confidence in all of them, then I would surmise that you would have said that about anyone we drafted.

 

[CATCH17]

It's a yes or no question, dude. You didn't answer it.

To your question - yes. A win via appeal and reduction plus a "moral victory" in the court system will help aide his perception in the court of public opinion.

If you're going to pin me down to a Yes or No Question then I say Yes but he has already done what i'm saying yes to and the court threw it out.


The time for proving his innocence is over and now all he can do is reduce his suspension.

 

[MileyDancer]

This year. Next year, barring a good defensive draft, we may actually be able to contend.

This year we are not (Zeke or no Zeke).

 

[CowboyRoy]

Not every team has a Rodgers though.

Rodgers is elite from the pocket and he can run which gives us fits.

I'd rather face Brady any day over Rodgers with our team.


Matt Ryan is stuck in the pocket. I'm way more worried about Julio.

The same Tom Brady that came back from 24 points in the SB? How about having to face Rogers, Atlanta, AND Brady. Cuz that is what we will have to do to win the SB.

 

[CowboyRoy]

This year. Next year, barring a good defensive draft, we may actually be able to contend.

This year we are not (Zeke or no Zeke).

I completely agree.

 

[Nightman]

I completely agree.

Did you two just agree we can't compete this year???

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[CATCH17]

The same Tom Brady that came back from 24 points in the SB? How about having to face Rogers, Atlanta, AND Brady. Cuz that is what we will have to do to win the SB.

I just want to avoid Rodgers. Bring on the rest of them.

If Atlanta repeats what they did a year ago i'll be surprised really and i'm fine playing them because we are such similar teams.

I think someone else from the NFC South steps up but the East and South i'm guessing will represent the Wild Card teams that get in.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Not much from Tapper, but Charlton has a sack in three games, and has looked better each week. I'll ask you, how low is the bar for what they have to do for things to be better? If Taco gets four sacks on the season, it's an improvement over last year.



Yeah, that's pretty much what I am saying. They've added potential pass rush, in Moore, Tapper, and Charlton, and possibly a healthier Lawrence. Who have they lost?



The organization doesn't agree. Carroll has been their Carr replacement for two years now. Not saying they're right or wrong, but that's what their actions show. And either way, we're talking about mediocre cornerback play that the team is looking to upgrade.

I think we are splitting hairs here. I could see a scenario where the young kids surprise and get sacks. The potential maybe is higher. But I could also see a scenario where it gets worse. Either way, I think we both agree it wont be THAT much better and NOT good enough. Now I would think this team always has a shot. But another year of development from said rookies, and another haul in the draft, plus a possible FA DE or stud with the cap room would better serve our purposes towards that end.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Did you two just agree we can't compete this year???

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No, we said we will most likely have a better team next year regardless.

 

[CATCH17]

This year. Next year, barring a good defensive draft, we may actually be able to contend.

This year we are not (Zeke or no Zeke).

We finished as the 1 seed a year ago.

The playoffs didn't go well but finishing as the 1 seed is a great sign that you're a contender considering that the team with homefield has been going to the Superbowl a lot here lately.

 

[MileyDancer]

Did you two just agree we can't compete this year???

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I believe we did.

We also agreed we are now BFF's and to text each other every 5 minutes.

 

[Nightman]

I believe we did.

We also agreed we are now BFF's and to text each other every 5 minutes.

The 2 biggest pessimists...... nevermind

 

[Stash]

I think we are splitting hairs here. I could see a scenario where the young kids surprise and get sacks. The potential maybe is higher. But I could also see a scenario where it gets worse. Either way, I think we both agree it wont be THAT much better and NOT good enough.

I take solace in the fact that they're won 13 games with lesser personnel last year. The limbo bar of expectations is quite low. These guys don't have to be world beaters for the defense to be better than last year.

I look at who and what they're replacing and see only potential to be better, not worse. I see Maliek Collins being even better, I see Lawrence possibly being healthy and doing better than 1 sack, and even if Taco is mediocre, I still see him adding a few sacks on the season.

Again I ask, why did we lose that we can't replace or improve upon?

Now I would think this team always has a shot. But another year of development from said rookies, and another haul in the draft, plus a possible FA DE or stud with the cap room would better serve our purposes towards that end.

I totally agree with you here, the job's not done and the defense can certainly be improved upon.

Heck, I'd be sending next year's 1st round draft pick plus another pick if I could get DE Danielle Hunter from the Vikings!

 

[CowboyRoy]

I just want to avoid Rodgers. Bring on the rest of them.

If Atlanta repeats what they did a year ago i'll be surprised really and i'm fine playing them because we are such similar teams.

I think someone else from the NFC South steps up but the East and South i'm guessing will represent the Wild Card teams that get in.

Im with you, but you lose me on the Atlanta slight. I see them as having more confidence then ever. And I would think pissed at how the season ended. But look at what they did with the defense as opposed to the Cowboys. They signed Poe the DT from KC that was coveted. I was hoping to get him. They get back Trufant, a very good corner that was injured last year. And they jumped ahead of us to get the last quality rookie DE in McKinnley. Beasly is the other DE and had 15 sacks in only his 2nd year last year. I see them as 2 years ahead of us with the defense.

Here is an article talking about what they did in the off season. https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/06/02/atlanta-falcons-offseason-grades-free-agency-nfl-draft

 

[CowboyRoy]

I take solace in the fact that they're won 13 games with lesser personnel last year. The limbo bar of expectations is quite low. These guys don't have to be world beaters for the defense to be better than last year.

I look at who and what they're replacing and see only potential to be better, not worse. I see Maliek Collins being even better, I see Lawrence possibly being healthy and doing better than 1 sack, and even if Taco is mediocre, I still see him adding a few sacks on the season.

Again I ask, why did we lose that we can't replace or improve upon?



I totally agree with you here, the job's not done and the defense can certainly be improved upon.

Heck, I'd be sending next year's 1st round draft pick plus another pick if I could get DE Danielle Hunter from the Vikings!

Nothing we lost that we cant replace. But to replace them with bench players, castoff FA's and rookies I dont see paying enough dividends the first year. And we had a last place schedule last year and the schedule this year is very tough. We will NOT go 13-3 this year. Let me know if you want to make side bet on that one.

 

[Skillit]

Serve it and move on.......RB's at his elite talent level have a shelf life. 6 games is just less than half a season---and if you throw in time it takes to get back "full throttle"....it is basically half a season.
How many seasons can we expect him to be a top form?

From the moment an RB gets into the league, his clock starts ticking. I'm not even talking about injuries.

I still think the suspension is absurd with all that I see that discredits the plaintiff. If the defense team thinks they can get it reduced or eradicated........then do it now. But yes-I'd rather lose 3 games next year than 6 games this year.

 

[Stash]

Nothing we lost that we cant replace. But to replace them with bench players, castoff FA's and rookies I dont see paying enough dividends the first year.

Again I will ask, who can we not replace or improve upon? Give me some names.

And we had a last place schedule last year and the schedule this year is very tough. We will NOT go 13-3 this year. Let me know if you want to make side bet on that one.

This team was winning Super Bowls with less than 13 wins. In fact, 13 wins was the best they did. This team doesn't need to win 13 games to win a championship. Just like winning 13 was no guarantee last year.

I'd be willing to bet that they win 11, and that's good enough for the division and likely a bye and home playoff game.