Would you like to see Drew Bledsoe back next year?

[ABQCOWBOY]

Correction: Montana started 7-4 in his first 11 playoff games, 6-1 in his first 7.

We've been down this road before. Let me try to refresh memory.

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Originally Posted by big_neil
Well why don't you say what you do believe and back it up with more than your beer belly?

Joe Montana lost in the first round of the playoffs for 3 straight years. According to you, that's because he sucked. But the next two he won the Super Bowl (his 3rd and 4th). He is 16-7 in the playoffs. Still, that's 7 playoff years he did not win the Super Bowl.



Neil, you don't know what your talking about.

Joe Montana entered the league in 1979. In 1979, Steve Deburg was the starting QB for the 49rs. In 1979, the 49rs didn't reach the playoffs so Montana obviously didn't have a chance to lose in the playoffs.

However, in 1980, Joe Montana started 7 games I believe. He was injured and I don't believe he finished the season but, the 49rs didn't reach the playoffs that year either so again, Joe Montana never lost in the playoffs in 1980.

In 1981, Joe Montana played and started in all 16 regular season games. The 49rs went 13-3 that year and played the Giants in the Divisional Playoff Game. They won that game 38-24. They then meet us in the Conference Championship game, "The Catch" game, where they defeated us 28-27. In the SuperBowl, they played the Cincinnati Bengals in the Silver Dome. They won that game 26-21.

In 1982, Joe Montana played 9 games and was injured for the season. SF didn't make the playoffs.

In 1983, Joe Montana played in 16 games and lost to a great Washington Commanders team, 24-21 in the conference championship.

In 1984, Joe Montana played in 15 games and beat Miami 38-16 in the SuperBowl.

In 1985, Joe Montana played in 15 games and lost to the Giants 17-3 in the wild card round. A game he was hurt in.

In 1986, Joe Montana played in only 8 games. He was still hurt and the 49rs lost to the NY Giants huge. 49-3

In 1987, Joe Montana played in 13 games. The 49rs lost to Minnisota 36-24 in a Divisional Playoff game.

In 1988, Joe Montana played in 14 games. They beat that same Minnesota team, the Bears and Cincy in the SuperBowl 20-16.

In 1989, Joe Montana Played in 13 games. They again beat Minnesota, the Rams and finally, the Broncos in the SuperBowl 55-10.

In 1990, Joe Montana Played in 15 games. They lost to the Giants in the Conference Championship game.

In 1991, Joe Montana did not play a down of football.

In 1992, Joe Montana played 1 game and attempted 21 passes. The 49rs lost to us in the Conference Championship game. Steve Young was the QB.

In 1993, after basically being out of football for 2 years, Joe Montana joined the KC Chiefs. Montana played in 11 games that year, missing 5, and there record was 11-5. They beat the Steelers and Houston before lossing to the Bills 30-13.

In 1994, Joe Montana played in 14 games. The Chiefs just made the playoffs and lost to the Miami Dolphins in the opening round 27-17.

In 1995, Joe Montana retired.

Basically, you don't know your arse from a whole in the ground. Please stop this nonesense. Joe Montana was a great QB and I'm tired of educating you. Go get a student loan like everyone else and stop wasting my time.
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[iceberg]

How many Hall of Fame teammates has Drew had?
Did he have Jerry Rice and I missed it?

so now you blame the talent around him. great, aikman had 1 HOF wr. drews got much the same in key.

now i'm sure you'll go on and on about emmitt and the rest of the team. understand me clearly - I KNOW it takes a full team. drew has had 13 years of FULL TEAMS to do what he can do and we've seen the best he'll EVER do - very likely.

can he suddenly go "lights out"? sure he can. odds? right up there w/me being a chip and dales dancer.

 

[iceberg]

Actually I noted for someone so mediocre he had achieved a few bench marks of success few can claim.

My feelings about Drew have been consistent since day 1.

He isn't a world beater at all and has weaknesses. You have to block for him and you need to run the ball. We didn't do either well and eh still had the best season by a dallas QB in almost ten years.

none of which makes him the final solution.
all of which says our last 10 years have been painful.

just because you got a little better doesn't mean you've arrived at where you need to be.

 

[HoustonSucks]

IF BP is back, yes. If not, then I say start developing the future. We're going to have to do it sooner or later. I want BP back, however.

 

[gbrittain]

Let me try this again. Forget the argument of Bledsoe being average, good or great. We can all agree to disagree.

This was Bledsoe's 13th year. Dallas at best will be in contention for a Superbowl win the year after next. That puts Bledsoe in his 15th year and as mobile as Texas Stadium.

Despite the talent argument, I dont see Bledsoe being a factor due to age alone. He is not Dallas answer.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

so now you blame the talent around him. great, aikman had 1 HOF wr. drews got much the same in key.

now i'm sure you'll go on and on about emmitt and the rest of the team. understand me clearly - I KNOW it takes a full team. drew has had 13 years of FULL TEAMS to do what he can do and we've seen the best he'll EVER do - very likely.

can he suddenly go "lights out"? sure he can. odds? right up there w/me being a chip and dales dancer.

How about Pro Bowl linemen? Aikman had Stepnoski, Newton, Tui, Williams, and Donaldson. Who did Bledsoe have protecting him the entire season other than a broken down LA and a broken-backed Rivera?

 

[Hostile]

Better no, more durable, absolutely. Montana missed 25% more games per season than Drew.

How many Super Bowls?

 

[Jarv]

The Cowboys had more 4th quarter comebacks this year than they have in the preceeding 5 years total.

Ever hear Terry Glenn talk about Bledsoe?

4th quarter comebacks only happen when your team is losing in the 1st place, while I won't say that stat is over rated...It doesn't always apply.

Look, there are 5 guys that play on the offensive line. Odds are that one or more get hurt during the year. I want a QB that can overcome that rather than be overcome by that.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Actually I noted for someone so mediocre he had achieved a few bench marks of success few can claim.

My feelings about Drew have been consistent since day 1.

He isn't a world beater at all and has weaknesses. You have to block for him and you need to run the ball. We didn't do either well and eh still had the best season by a dallas QB in almost ten years.

And I, in turn JT, made the observation that thou his numbers were decent this year, he did not get voted to the Pro Bowl. I went on to observe that few made a big big deal about it. You then said that there were a couple who did. To me, that would be the same thing. However, you were the one who made the suggestion that because Witten and JJ didn't make the Pro Bowl, they should be traded.

So you see, it was not I who drove this bus into the weeds. Now we're full circle and we both know who said what. Is there more you wish to add?

I was not for signing Bledsoe and everybody knows it. He has had a better season then I expected but, I still do not believe that he is a championship calibur QB. To this point, I have not been proven wrong. To say he has been the best we've had in 10 years is true but what exactly does that mean? This year, the US has had more hurrican activity then we've had in the past 10 years. Is that good or bad?

 

[iceberg]

How about Pro Bowl linemen? Aikman had Stepnoski, Newton, Tui, Williams, and Donaldson. Who did Bledsoe have protecting him the entire season other than a broken down LA and a broken-backed Rivera?

he had a line BP put together for him w/4 draft picks and a FA pickup.

now how long are we gonna harp on ONE FREAKING YEAR vs. his entire career? quit excusing one year and eval ALL AVAILABLE DATA.

geez, people just seem to WANT to blind themselves to stay warm i suppose.

 

[iceberg]

How many Super Bowls?

heh, i never got an answer to that one, hos. : )

 

[Jarv]

How many Hall of Fame teammates has Drew had?
Did he have Jerry Rice and I missed it?

Ben Coates, Curtis Martin and terry Glen.

 

[Zaxor]

Ben Coates, Curtis Martin and terry Glen.

vinitarie, brushci, and a bunch of others just check out the roster from the Superbowl that Bledsoe lost

 

[Hostile]

heh, i never got an answer to that one, hos. : )

It doesn't surprise me one bit. He wouldn't know a pertinent fact about how to judge a QB if it bit him square in the shorts.

 

[iceberg]

vinitarie, brushci, and a bunch of others just check out the roster from the Superbowl that Bledsoe lost

wow - wonder how this will get excused away. : )

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

How about Pro Bowl linemen? Aikman had Stepnoski, Newton, Tui, Williams, and Donaldson. Who did Bledsoe have protecting him the entire season other than a broken down LA and a broken-backed Rivera?

This to me is the crux of the situation. To me, that OL might have been the best of all time. While I agree that the OL is important and the comparison of Aikman and Bledsoe rests at the feet of the OL each had, what are the chances we will ever have a better OL then we had with those early 90s teams?

To me, that's what we will need if Bledsoe is to win a championship here. I think that Bledsoe will be back and will be the starter. I don't believe he is a championship QB. I don't believe we will ever be able to protect him the way we need to in order to win a championship.

 

[jterrell]

i'm not talking last year, jt. i'm talking overall careers of which do NOT lend themselves to a single unfortunate season where bp picked the OL for HIS qb and we got what we normally get out of drew.

you can lob out whatever "incidental" fact you can, but i can still see 13 years of stats and see past the occasional "gotcha" that would explain a game or two.

what made drew collapse all the other times - go back and look, not just see THIS YEAR and think wow, a little of this, a little of that, he's LIGHTS OUT.

when has he EVER been "lights out" for a full year. give me that one or just stop with the fact-picking to justify a stance. you overlook 13 years of drew to hope he will also, i suppose.

Post the damn Dallas stats at QB iceberg then.
Go back 13 years and compare season to season if you like.

You are not making any points because you are offering no comparison at all.
You aren't making any argument you are just making statements with no meaning.

Like a little magic 8ball.

No back to back 80+ QB rating seasons except a 3 year stretch?
ROFLMAO.
He has posted an 80+ 5 times. Only 1 time previous to this year not in that 3 year stratch. That point is meaningless and comedic.

As for Winky ask him how many playoff games Archie Manning had?
Bledsoe was good enough to get to a Super Bowl so he can do it. He obviously doesn't prevent winning. He is also not a guarantee of winning.

He is a 4 time Pro Bowl QB. 4 time!!!
He has a 4-3 playoff record.
He set 10 franchise records in Buffalo in 1997.

 

[gbrittain]

You know if we keep DB and we always hold to the best chance to win argument we can ensure that the average age for Dallas QBs will be 33-40.

When Drew leaves at the ripe age of mid to late thirties then you can rest assured a rookie will not be Dallas best chance to win. Time to look for another old castoff which is temporarily a better option than playing a young guy.

Let the cycle continue.

 

[jterrell]

so now you blame the talent around him. great, aikman had 1 HOF wr. drews got much the same in key.

now i'm sure you'll go on and on about emmitt and the rest of the team. understand me clearly - I KNOW it takes a full team. drew has had 13 years of FULL TEAMS to do what he can do and we've seen the best he'll EVER do - very likely.

can he suddenly go "lights out"? sure he can. odds? right up there w/me being a chip and dales dancer.

Talent around the QB ultimately determines who wins titles.
Peyton Manning is still not a Super Bowl QB.

 

[iceberg]

Post the damn Dallas stats at QB iceberg then.
Go back 13 years and compare season to season if you like.

You are not making any points because you are offering no comparison at all.
You aren't making any argument you are just making statements with no meaning.

Like a little magic 8ball.

No back to back 80+ QB rating seasons except a 3 year stretch?
ROFLMAO.
He has posted an 80+ 5 times. Only 1 time previous to this year not in that 3 year stratch. That point is meaningless and comedic.

As for Winky ask him how many playoff games Archie Manning had?
Bledsoe was good enough to get to a Super Bowl so he can do it. He obviously doesn't prevent winning. He is also not a guarantee of winning.

He is a 4 time Pro Bowl QB. 4 time!!!
He has a 4-3 playoff record.
He set 10 franchise records in Buffalo in 1997.

i'm not gonna justify or even try to justify how YOU feel and to YOUR standards. i simply broke down how drew did this year and how it compares to his career - quite well.

in the land of reality we tend to use long running, established facts to guide performance that is likely to happen based on what has happened.

it doesn't lend itself well to ONE lineman who got hurt ONE year as that happens every year.

somewhere in the back of my mind i'm seeing you on a sunday ticket commercial dancing around with drew and being very happy and willing to take a bullet for the man.

that's great. just not realistic.

He has posted an 80+ 5 times. Only 1 time previous to this year not in that 3 year stratch. That point is meaningless and comedic.

no - it's not. but if you wanna dismiss reality so you can keep the fantasy alive, just say so and i'll quit talking with you and save us both the hassle. how you can disregard an entire history of performance is beyond me.