Would you trade Romo for the #1 pick?

[csirl]

Romo has no trade value with a $14m cap figure. Draft picks only come into a trade where the players value doesnt match his cap value. Two things to consider about this:

1. Romo is probably worth $7m per year. So in order to get someone to take him, you'd have to throw in other players. No team is going to take a 14m hit for a 7m player.

2. It is worthwhile for the Cowboys to get rid of him even getting nothing in return. Freeing up $14m in cap space would allow the Cowboys to sign a Pro-Bowl caliber replacement and a couple of solid starters.

 

[ufcrules1]

I think what most are smarting up to is..does Romo really give you a chance? He has been here long enough that he has experienced turnover in the roster at probably every spot except his position as QB. When we say a QB gives a team a chance...I think there ought to be some facts to support that and one playoff win in 7 years as starter doesn't really constitute chance but rather 'not the right guy for the job'. Its also the nature of how he loses these elimination games. It takes toll on fans. At some point, powers to be need to just admit he is not healthy for the team or the fans. You might need to step back and god forbid Dallas might need to go 4-12. Dallas is operating like a team that thinks they actually accomplished something. That is what needs to change. There is nothing on this team worth protecting.

Ah, such an excellent post. Some here think just because we had crappy QB's after Aikman that there is no chance to get a good QB in the draft like RG3, Dalton, Luck, Wilson, Kaepernick, etc. They feel that since Romo is better than the scrubs our team drafted in the years after Aikman, that he is our only hope even though he has only given us one playoff win in 7 freaking years, and it was more of our defense that carried him than anything that year.

Romo is the type of QB that buries an organization because he is just good enough to get you close to the playoffs but ALWAYS falls short of leading his team to the playoffs or deep in the playoffs and then you end up with a mid-first round pick and nothing more than hope for the next year.

This team does in fact need to take a good long look at aging players on the roster like Romo, Ware, Miles, etc. and quickly consider trading them while they still have some value. We have terrific young talent right now Lee, Carter, Bryant, Smith, Murray, Carr, Claiborne, etc. We need to continue to build on those players and get a good tough team here. Not players who have PROVEN they fold when the going gets tough.

 

[cowboysooner]

Wrong thread

 

[TwentyOne]

You could end up with nothing because the picks you get are nothing more than a roll of the dice. You're investing your starting QB on some unproven players. Even if you hit on the players you'll still lose the next season because you won't have a top 10 QB. You may be losing for the next few years using draft picks trying to replace the QB you traded.

There are alot of scenarios someone can imagine that could go bad. But i see more chances. With the experience i made with Romo in the last years he played for us iI'll take that risk. Not that he is a bad QB - not at all. But for me its time to look/try something else.

Change is always bound to risk. So someone might be frightened and stick to the known. But actually i see a low risk and high profit scenario. So again: I'll do that trade.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yes I know. You are the only one talking about that. I was responding to KJJ. *We* were talking about this season, not how Romo would do in KC with Reid next year.

Very well. I don't see the reasoning for talking about what Romo would have done THIS SEASON in KC, especially when the discussion is about a trade for ROMO to KC for their future 1st round pick but OK.

Please continue.

 

[KJJ]

There are alot of scenarios someone can imagine that could go bad. But i see more chances. With the experience i made with Romo in the last years he played for us iI'll take that risk. Not that he is a bad QB - not at all. But for me its time to look/try something else.

Change is always bound to risk. So someone might be frightened and stick to the known. But actually i see a low risk and high profit scenario. So again: I'll do that trade.

Trading Romo to KC for the #1 overall pick is almost guaranteed to backfire because it would leave the Cowboys without a franchise QB almost assuring they'll win no more than 4-6 games in 2014. There isn't a QB worth taking at the top of the draft this year so it makes no sense to trade up to the #1 spot sacrificing your starting QB who's still playing at a higher level than at least 20 other starting QB's in the league. Making a stupid move like that would leave the Cowboys with a huge hole they won't be able to fill anytime soon.

Without a top 10 QB it would be a struggle far beyond what we're seeing now and it could be like that for the foreseeable future. You don't try something else at QB until you have something else in place that's at least as good as what you have at the position or you'll be picking in the top 10 of the draft every year. Nothing would depress fans more each summer than seeing the likes of Jason Campbell, Colt McCoy, Matt Leinart, John Skelton, Brady Quinn and whatever other castoffs are available competing with Orton for the starting job in camp.

I'm not against taking a few risks but I would never move Romo until I have a QB on the roster who gives me a chance to win games every Sunday and compete for a playoff spot each year. Leaving yourself without a prolific QB puts you in a position where you'll be taking risks every year trying to find one. It means burning #1's on QB's in the draft that may never pan out and bringing in castoffs who've been booted to the curb by other teams. The Raiders were so desperate for a QB they gave away 2 # !'s for Carson Palmer. Go through history and see what happened to teams that were left without a top 10 QB.

Just look at the Cardinals after Warner retired. We all know what happened to the Cowboys after Aikman was released. There's an entire list of teams that struggled for years trying to replace their franchise QB. There's a lot of things the Cowboys can do to improve the team and continue having a chance of competing for the playoffs each season. There's ways of finding a QB for the future while keeping the one you have who still has plenty left in the tank.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Trading Romo to KC for the #1 overall pick is almost guaranteed to backfire because it would leave the Cowboys without a franchise QB almost assuring they'll win no more than 4-6 games in 2014. There isn't a QB worth taking at the top of the draft this year so it makes no sense to trade up to the #1 spot sacrificing your starting QB who's still playing at a higher level than at least 20 other starting QB's in the league. Making a stupid move like that would leave the Cowboys with a huge hole they won't be able to fill anytime soon.

Without a top 10 QB it would be a struggle far beyond what we're seeing now and it could be like that for several seasons until the Cowboys find another franchise QB. You don't try something else at QB until you have something else in place that's at least as good as what you have at the position or you'll be picking in the top 10 of the draft every year. Nothing would depress fans more each summer than seeing the likes of Jason Campbell, Colt McCoy, Matt Leinart, John Skelton, Brady Quinn and whatever other castoffs are available competing with Orton for the starting job in camp.

I'm not against taking a few risks but I would never move Romo until I have a QB on the roster who gives me a chance to win games every Sunday and compete for a playoff spot each year. Leaving yourself without a prolific QB puts you in a position where you'll be taking risks every year trying to find one. It means burning #1's on QB's in the draft that may never pan out and bringing in castoffs who've been booted to the curb by other teams. The Raiders were so desperate for a QB they gave away 2 # !'s for Carson Palmer. Go through history and see what happened to teams that were left without a top 10 QB.

Just look at the Cardinals after Warner retired. We all know what happened to the Cowboys after Aikman was released. There's an entire list of teams that struggled for years trying to replace their franchise QB. There's a lot of things the Cowboys can do to improve the team and continue having a chance of competing for the playoffs each season. There's ways of finding a QB for the future while keeping the one you have who still has plenty left in the tank.

I don't agree with this line of thought. I think you have to stop and consider the possibility that Romo may not be back in Dallas after this year no matter what we do.

All of what you outline could happen, I acknowledge that. However, a trade of Romo, if it's the right trade could also put us in a position to succeed in future. Moving Romo's contract and acquiring good draft compensation will only help this franchise in the future.

That is how I see this.

 

[KJJ]

I don't agree with this line of thought. I think you have to stop and consider the possibility that Romo may not be back in Dallas after this year no matter what we do.

All of what you outline could happen, I acknowledge that. However, a trade of Romo, if it's the right trade could also put us in a position to succeed in future. Moving Romo's contract and acquiring good draft compensation will only help this franchise in the future.

That is how I see this.

I don't see the possibility of Romo not being back after 2014 unless the Cowboys have a QB in place they feel they can win with. Jerry has already been down that dark road before of moving on from a franchise QB without having a capable replacement ready to take over and it led to the lowest point for the Cowboys since he bought the team in 89. I can assure you he will not make that same mistake again. There's no trade for Romo that would make sense for the Cowboys unless it involved another QB to replace him with. The Cowboys have a number of issues that would make it virtually impossible for the team to compete without Romo. They have an average defense that continues to fold at the end of every season.

They have a bad OL that an immobile QB wouldn't stand a chance behind and the second worst rushing attack in the league. Put a QB like Kyle Orton as the starter and the Cowboys may earn the #1 overall pick next season. That will only pay off if there's franchise QB sitting there in April of 2014. With the issues this Cowboys team has they will not win without Romo. The Cowboys aren't a well coached team. They can't run the ball and their D can't win games so they'll be done without Romo.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Not just no....

...H-E-L-L NO!

 

[KJJ]

Some fan accused me of over valuing Romo well I got news for you those who are over valuing him are the ones who think KC would give up the #1 overall pick for him. Washington gave up a #2 for McNabb a few years ago and that's about the draft pick you'll get for Romo at this stage in his career. He's a lot more valuable to the Cowboys than what they would get for him in a trade. What I would do if I were the Cowboys is offer a #2 or #3 to Washington for Kirk Cousins. Washington needs picks after the RG3 deal and probably drafted Cousins with the thought of trading him at some point to recoup some picks.

He looked pretty impressive subbing for RG3 a few weeks ago and could have starting potential. If I couldn't do that deal I would use a #2 or #3 on a QB this April. Rookie QB's have been hitting the ground running in the NFL. Even Nick Foles a #2 pick for Philly looked impressive. When Jerry released Aikman in 2000 Troy wasn't healthy and had a lot of money coming. Aikman's back issue and his repeated concussions with the money that was due to him caused Jerry to part ways with him. That came very unexpectedly and the Cowboys were caught unprepared without a quality starting QB and we all know what it led to. Romo is healthy he doesn't have the health concerns Aikman had.

He's still as productive as ever and the choke jobs we're seeing with him we've been seeing since he took over the job in 06. Regardless of the choke jobs he's still a top 10 QB who's escapability can make an unstable OL look better than it is. Not many QB's would be able to put up over 4900 yards and 28 TD's with no running game behind a crap OL. Very few QB's make as many plays outside the pocket as Romo and can slip defenders like Romo.. If the Cowboys didn't have a QB who has the escapability and playmaking ability that Romo has they couldn't compete.

 

[DFWJC]

Some fan accused me of over valuing Romo well I got news for you those who are over valuing him are the ones who think KC would give up the #1 overall pick for him. .

I agree.
It would take Romo plus the 18th pick (minumum) to get the #1 overall pick.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

I normally agree that Romo for the #1 pick would be kind of silly, but this is a weak draft and the Cowboys aren't looking to trade Romo. If you are the ones trying to make something happen, you have to overpay. Besides the #1 pick in football is not nearly as big a deal as in other sports. Romo has more ability than pretty much all of the recent #1s anyway, and he was undrafted. It's a crap shoot.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Geno Smith

 

[Lazyking]

No. I want Romo gone but I do not really like this draft for QBs at all and that's why you'd trade Romo for the first pick.. I say ride out next year and let him go. Can't get something back for every player.

if this was last year, I'd trade Romo for Luck in a heartbeat.

 

[TwentyOne]

I agree.
It would take Romo plus the 18th pick (minumum) to get the #1 overall pick.

And i would make that deal too.

And in fact this would be a really good deal for us.

 

[KJJ]

And i would make that deal too.

And in fact this would be a really good deal for us.

How would giving up Romo and our #1 be a really good deal for us? Enlighten me on exactly what you would you do with the #1 overall pick?

 

[TwentyOne]

I don't see the possibility of Romo not being back after 2014 unless the Cowboys have a QB in place they feel they can win with.

This thread is not about what you could eventually see it is about the question if someone would trade Romo for the #1 draft pick.

And whats more this is not about being a Romo hater or a Romo homer. This is about a logical decission. And IMHO (without trying to be offensive) to not make this deal would be plain stupid.

Giving away a QB that has (opportunistically) 4 more good years of play in him for the #1 draft pick and getting a player (at that spott) who has around 8 years of good years ahead of him makes alot of sense to me. I already posted an example where i showed that trading Romo for the #7 and #50 pick would be a really good deal for us. Now thats around 2000 draft points. The #1 pick counts for 3000.

There is no way you pass up on that deal.

 

[KJJ]

This thread is not about what you could eventually see it is about the question if someone would trade Romo for the #1 draft pick.

And whats more this is not about being a Romo hater or a Romo homer. This is about a logical decission. And IMHO (without trying to be offensive) to not make this deal would be plain stupid.

Giving away a QB that has (opportunistically) 4 more good years of play in him for the #1 draft pick and getting a player (at that spott) who has around 8 years of good years ahead of him makes alot of sense to me. I already posted an example where i showed that trading Romo for the #7 and #50 pick would be a really good deal for us. Now thats around 2000 draft points. The #1 pick counts for 3000.

There is no way you pass up on that deal.

Trading Romo and our #1 for the #1 overall pick would be beyond ridiculous especially when there's no top QB in this draft. I'm not about to sift through this thread to find your example but what players did you have in mind at #7 and #50? You actually believe you'll come up with 2 players at #7 and #50 who will help the team win more games than Romo? You honestly believe the Cowboys can be competitive with a scrub QB?

I could care less about draft points the draft is nothing more than a roll of the dice. The Cowboys could have traded down a couple of spots in 2011 and got JJ Watt who in 2 seasons has developed into the most dominant defensive player in the league. That's how big a crapshoot the draft is. I'm just thankful some of you don't own the team.

 

[TwentyOne]

How would giving up Romo and our #1 be a really good deal for us? Enlighten me on exactly what you would you do with the #1 overall pick?

I ve already done that in another thread. You can do that on your own - its simple math:

Just count the draft value of all picks. Then compare them to the years you get out of the QB you will draft for the overall #1 pick (without any risk accounted) compared to the years Romo has left in him and the points we will get to him in return. You will see that we will get alot more for Romo that he will give us throu playing time in return.

In short because i am lazy:

Romo: 4 years of good QB play left
Drafted QB: 8 years of good QB play left

We get for Romo + 18th the #1 pick: 18th=900 points; #1=3000 points -> Romos value = 2100 points.

We pick a player who plays 8 years for 3000 points for a player that plays 4 years for 2100 points. Thats 8/4 = 2 compared to 3000/2100 = 3/2 = 1.5

So we get a value of 2 and deal a value of 1.5.

As you have certainly already reckognized this is a simplyfied szenario. What i did not put in is the Risk involved. There are two kinds of risks:

1. Romo has not 4 more years of good QB play in him
2. The drafted QB does not pan out.

Now its a simple process of thinking about the risks and how lilkey it is for the to become real.

Those 0.5 value (2-0.5 = ca 500 value points in the draft) to me is the price someone has to pay to us for us taking the risk of drafting a new QB who could not pan out.

500 value points is a good deal to me.

 

[TwentyOne]

Trading Romo and our #1 for the #1 overall pick would be beyond ridiculous especially when there's no top QB in this draft. I'm not about to sift through this thread to find your example but what players did you have in mind at #7 and #50? You actually believe you'll come up with 2 players at #7 and #50 who will help the team win more games than Romo?

I could care less about draft points the draft is nothing more than a roll of the dice. The Cowboys could have traded down a couple of spots in 2011 and got JJ Watt who in 2 seasons has developed into the most dominant defensive player in the league. That's how big a crapshoot the draft is. I'm just thankful some of you don't own the team.

You dont ask the right questions. Its not about what player you will draft or when you will draft him. Its about making a good deal. And Romo for the #1 pick is a great deal.

Everything you bring in are valid points but they blind you because they are probabilities you cant control. Still the deal itself stays great. So you go for it. This is how winning works.

I could care less about draft points the draft is nothing more than a roll of the dice

There are alot of people who think different. And i think they are right.