Wow, Refs Handed Game To Pats

[ScipioCowboy]

Hey, I can't tell you what to say to your wife. That's between you and her. :

But if you're going to use the Gaffney situation to explain a bobbled catch by T.O., it would seem to me your hang ups much deeper than I'd like to know.

Again, it's analogous reasoning.

The point of my Gaffney/Owens comparison is elucidating a possible disparity in the manner in which games and certain teams are called.

Officiating in pro sports is a largely subjective endeavor. One can make arguments for holding, illegal contact, or PI on every play.

By my understanding of the previous article, the Ravens' players are not asking for absolute accuracy from officials; they merely want uniformity and consistency amongst calls. Put simply, they want an evenly officiated game.

Of course, none of us can prove the existence of a bias in officiating anymore than you can disprove it.

I simply find it convenient that, on every crucial play during the Pats' game winning drive (2 fourth down conversions and a TD pass), there was a questionable act of officiating, either a flag or a booth review, that somehow benefited the Patriots.

Gaffney's bobble certainly qualifies. Steve Young commented on the illegal motion penalty against the Patriots' lineman that nullified another Ravens 4th down stop. According to Young, when a motion occurs so close to the play, it will normally go uncalled.

Not tonight, however.

 

[Archaen]

that final drive was fine. all the penalties and timeouts were legit.

the catch was sketchy, but he had control the ball was just moving, it's kind of weird. I think it's a stupid rule anyway that you need complete and total possession, if the ball is in your hands with 2 feet in bounds and you come down with it, it should be a catch.

the false start call was legit, and ironically it was the person who moved early who caused them to get stuffed in the backfield, the right guard plowed to the left in front of the center and the dt snuck in from behind him and wrapped the FB up.

 

[Archaen]

and that randy moss pass interference they were talking about is bull****, the raven defender jumped a little off his feet and hung on to him and was trying to draw that foul roflmao.

and please... ben watson was held there, there is no question..

 

[Rack]

He was looking right at both of them.

Even so, that was a questionable call. And the point is that the call was questionable, but one that benefited the Cowboys.

BS. It wasn't even close to questionable. And, again, the ref could NOT see the defender cuz Austin was right between them, BLOCKING HIS VIEW of the defender.


Is that too difficult for you to comprehend?


Not only that, but the defender reached out and grabbed with his left hand THEN his right hand, even w/o the "tripping" it's pass interference. It's not even debatable to anyone that could actually SEE the play.

 

[Rack]

I gotta get to bed. I'll likely take this discussion up later today.

Peace.

You should go to sleep cuz you got knocked the **** out in this thread.


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[5Stars]

BS. It wasn't even close to questionable. And, again, the ref could NOT see the defender cuz Austin was right between them, BLOCKING HIS VIEW of the defender.


Is that too difficult for you to comprehend?


Not only that, but the defender reached out and grabbed with his left hand THEN his right hand, even w/o the "tripping" it's pass interference. It's not even debatable to anyone that could actually SEE the play.

Rack, you do know who you are addressing in your post, right? :laugh2:

 

[Dcz84]

The ball moved after he went out of bounds. Catch. And the refs agree.

Gotta love someone who runs there mouth but does'nt even know the rules of football.

 

[Dcz84]

4-13, does this mean anything? if the refs want to call it a flag-full day, then call it on both teams...don't be discriminating, especially with less than 1 minute left to play giving the pats chance after chance to get that TD.

i guess those hits boller took were just a pat on the shoulder.

Several were head shots yet were never called atleast 3 of them..

 

[D-TownRadio]

some fines are going to be handed out

I don't understand why they would fine them if it isn't true? And wouldn't that make the NFL look bad?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Did the ref's call the time out when Baltimore stopped them on 4th down? Game over.... uh.... wait not yet... do it again

I laughed my butt off when that happened.


Then they give themselves another chance with their very own penalty LOL

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

You guys just can't accept the fact that the Pats are undefeated.

The refs didn't hand anyone the game. Watson was mugged on that pass interference play. Gaffney caught the ball cleanly; he just switched the ball into a different hand after he went out of bounds.

The Pats won because they're a disciplined team and know how to win. The Ravens lost because they are an undisciplined team.

I agree with you for the most part..but I will say the Pats defense takes a lot of liberty with the oppositions QB...blows to the head...hitting him low...leaving their feet and putting their entire weight into tackling the QB....NONE of it called. And while I am at it...how many times this weekend did you see a player spin the ball with no delay of game penalty...how many times did we see players jawing with no call. I don't care what anybody tries to portray...but we are and will always be America's team...and there will always be millions who love us AND millions who hate us...including referees and league Executives. The taunting and delay of game penalties we get are just mind blowing when you see other teams do a lot worse all game and it NEVER gets called

 

[Hoofbite]

Glad I didn't get to watch the game.

 

[lspain1]

Glad I didn't get to watch the game.

I won't argue about the calls, but the game was RIVETING football. It had tough conditions, great plays, and real drama.

I didn't like the final result but I was on the edge of my seat the whole second half, and that NEVER happens to me unless it's a Cowboys game.

 

[proline]

The ball was moving the entire time he was in bounds. He has to have possession while his feet are down. No catch.

It's very similar to the out route non-catch by TO against the Packers. TO didn't catch it and neither did Gaffney.

Exactly the way I saw it.

 

[burmafrd]

GOtta wonder at the so called Cowboys fans who are so dedicated at defending the Pats.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

I won't argue about the calls, but the game was RIVETING football. It had tough conditions, great plays, and real drama.

I didn't like the final result but I was on the edge of my seat the whole second half, and that NEVER happens to me unless it's a Cowboys game.

I went to bed at halftime knowing the Patriots would win but not cover.

When Thomas tried to behead Boller and no flag was thrown I knew the fix was in.


The NFL will do everything in its power to insure that the Patriots are 15-0 going into their final game against the Giants on the NFLN. A 14-1 team playing backups might upset a few people in the Boston area who won't get the game but a team going for perfection (and millions upon millions wanting to root against them) is going to be a bonanza for the NFL in their battle versus Comcast, Time Warner and others.

I don't think the average fan understands how many hundreds of millions of dollars are being fought over.

 

[dbair1967]

You guys just can't accept the fact that the Pats are undefeated.

The refs didn't hand anyone the game. Watson was mugged on that pass interference play. Gaffney caught the ball cleanly; he just switched the ball into a different hand after he went out of bounds.

The Pats won because they're a disciplined team and know how to win. The Ravens lost because they are an undisciplined team.

this is utter b/s

they've had a great year, but for a team thats supposed to be head and shoulders better than anything ever seen, they sure do requre alot of assistance from the zebras, and last night was a terrible officiated game...it wasnt bad calls on both sides, it was incredibly one sided...the game where we played the offiating was also extremely one sided with a number of really picky/touchy calls and a few phantom ones as well

they did not deserve to win that game last night

David

 

[SultanOfSix]

GOtta wonder at the so called Cowboys fans who are so dedicated at defending the Pats.

Yeah, I know. I mentioned that earlier in the thread. It's like 20 vs 1 and he still persists in saying the refs weren't biased for the Pats in this game, when it was apparently so obvious to everyone except to blind homer Pats fans.

 

[tyke1doe]

i don't think anyone here says all calls are black and white. but we are just saying that the austin PI was not a questionable call because there was visual evidence that the defender was not playing the ball when he tangled with miles. thankfully there were two refs looking, and one of them caught that. it was not like it could go either way (although, yes, on the field at the time, it could have if the ref who didn't see a flag was able to convince the other ref), but for you to sit there NOW and say that that flag is questionnable is rather incredulous. it was definitely a penalty. in this case, black and white.

some people will argue until they are black and blue about that ware off-side flag, saying he left right when the ball was snapped. i personally think that call was questionable and could have gone either way. unfortunately, it went against us.

i have a feeling we are arguing slightly different things if you can't see my way and I can't see your way

Fair enough.

I'm just taking exception to these claims that the refs are trying to give the game to the Patriots.

The hold on Watson could have gone either way. But it wasn't a bad call. The player had his hand on Watson and impeded his path to the ball.

On the Gaffney play, the ref saw that he caught the ball with his finger tips then brought it into his body. He ruled it a catch and the replay booth agreed.

Refs are human. Yes, they make bad calls. Yes, they make questionable call.

But fans have to understand that the Patriots are no different than the Cowboys of the 90s, the 49ers of the 80s and the Steelers of the 70s. Great teams get calls like that and win their share of the questionable calls.

Complain, be upset, be angry. But unless you (not "you" specific but "you" in general) can prove they are trying to "fix" a game, it's merely wild speculation. Nothing more.

 

[tyke1doe]

this is utter b/s

they've had a great year, but for a team thats supposed to be head and shoulders better than anything ever seen, they sure do requre alot of assistance from the zebras, and last night was a terrible officiated game...it wasnt bad calls on both sides, it was incredibly one sided...the game where we played the offiating was also extremely one sided with a number of really picky/touchy calls and a few phantom ones as well

they did not deserve to win that game last night

David

But they did. They made the plays when they had to. And the stupid Ravens couldn't close out the game. All they need to do is make ONE third down conversion on any one of their three series - the last series not included.
They did not.

And so what if the Pats don't blow every team out. They're winning. You seem to be angry because they're getting hyped for destroying teams. So they squeak by with a win. Last time I checked, it's still a win.