WR Matt Jones getting close to being released?

[Stash]

stash - i hope you know i try to give you full credit for your arguments and how you've handled them. but again this to me is showing a "jones bias" and dismissing the others to "reduce competition" for your bias.

no stanback has not shown anything. how could he? he was drafted injured as a prospect and by all accounts he's showing why *this* year when he couldn't last year.

step back for a bit - is the jones to stanback comparison valid? fair? it's one thing to say he can compete with those players, it's another to say stanback has shown nothing.

It may not be 'fair' but I think it's accurate.

We Cowboys fans have high hopes for Stanback, but do we really know what he can contribute this year?

Not at all.

He's a complete unknown both good and bad.

I hope we got a faster Hines Ward, but there's no way of knowing that. And when push comes to shove, I would rather go with a player I know something about, warts and all.

Worst case scenario, I know what I'm getting with Jones, while I know nothing about Stanback.

I'm not attacking Stanback, but more the number of question marks I feel this team currently has at wide receiver, which is too many for what I feel is a team in 'Super Bowl or Bust' mode.

Jones isn't a complete receiver by any means, but he's shown some things at the NFL level.

 

[DFWJC]

step back for a bit - is the jones to stanback comparison valid? fair? it's one thing to say he can compete with those players, it's another to say stanback has shown nothing.

I think Stanback is essentially a rookie this year...or very close to it. He is the very definition of someone who is way to early to know what he can do--good or bad. Apples and apples with Jones would be to look at Stanback in two years. That's not to say Jones would not be an upgrade eventually--it's just he is currently a less known commodity.

 

[Stash]

I think Stanback is essentially a rookie this year...or very close to it. He is the very definition of someone who is way to early to know what he can do--good or bad. Apples and apples with Jones would be to look at Stanback in two years. That's not to say Jones would not be an upgrade eventually--it's just he is currently a less known commodity.

That's my point, we have some type of 'book' on Matt Jones, both good and bad. We know some things about him.

By contrast, Stanback is essentially a complete unknown.

 

[iceberg]

It may not be 'fair' but I think it's accurate.

We Cowboys fans have high hopes for Stanback, but do we really know what he can contribute this year?

Not at all.

He's a complete unknown both good and bad.

I hope we got a faster Hines Ward, but there's no way of knowing that. And when push comes to shove, I would rather go with a player I know something about, warts and all.

Worst case scenario, I know what I'm getting with Jones, while I know nothing about Stanback.

I'm not attacking Stanback, but more the number of question marks I feel this team currently has at wide receiver, which is too many for what I feel is a team in 'Super Bowl or Bust' mode.

Jones isn't a complete receiver by any means, but he's shown some things at the NFL level.

like i said - it does seem any situation you slant to pro-jones whether it makes sense or not. i understand that but i think it's passion lead and not really actual "facts" per se.

not wanting to get into it - just saying i've followed your discussion through several threads and anytime it's possible it could be jones isn't the answer, you paint a picture where he is.

oh well. there are far worse things out there people can do. : )

 

[Stash]

like i said - it does seem any situation you slant to pro-jones whether it makes sense or not. i understand that but i think it's passion lead and not really actual "facts" per se.

not wanting to get into it - just saying i've followed your discussion through several threads and anytime it's possible it could be jones isn't the answer, you paint a picture where he is.

oh well. there are far worse things out there people can do. : )

I'm probably guilty as charged when it comes to what you're saying.

But that's the point.

I firmly believe in this idea and feel it would be a great move for both the player and this team, so I think my stance is inevitably slanted in that direction.

 

[Velvet Jones]

I wonder if Parcells was this passionate about wanting Carpenter

 

[Bob Sacamano]

stash, your real name is Chuck? lol

let's chuck Chuck

how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood

 

[Stash]

stash, your real name is Chuck? lol

let's chuck Chuck

how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood

Great.

I was wondering who the first fool would be who tried somehow to use that against me.

I should have known............

 

[iceberg]

stash, your real name is Chuck? lol

let's chuck Chuck

how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood

how come chuck never gets to play "the name game"?

 

[SMCowboy]

Stash, lets calm down on Matt Jones a little bit. I will be the first to admit that I was really high on Matt Jones the way he started his Jacksonville career. But, their is a reason that he has done nothing in the NFL. He still is NOT a good route runner and gets very little separation from DB's. And if that is not enough issues he has had MAJOR issues with catching the ball, and I am talking making Austin Miles seem like he has hands of glue issues with catching the ball.

 

[Stash]

how come chuck never gets to play "the name game"?

It starts well, but ends badly........

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hi!! I'm Chuckie, want to play?​

 

[Stash]

Stash, lets calm down on Matt Jones a little bit. I will be the first to admit that I was really high on Matt Jones the way he started his Jacksonville career. But, their is a reason that he has done nothing in the NFL. He still is NOT a good route runner and gets very little separation from DB's. And if that is not enough issues he has had MAJOR issues with catching the ball, and I am talking making Austin Miles seem like he has hands of glue issues with catching the ball.

No disputing the fact that he's not a great route runner, he's essentially the same type receiver that Alvin Harper was. And while I think he can improve under Sherman/Garrett's tutelage, given his body type, I don't expect that he'll ever run great routes.

But Burress doesn't run textbook routes either and he's successful at what he does.

I did a little research (shocker I know!) and found that Jones' 2006 catch % numbers were better than some well known receivers (Plaxico Burress was one) and his catch percentage was 1% worse than Terrell Owens was.

Other numbers I've seen posted show that his catch rate was pretty equal to Jacksonville's other receivers as well.

 

[SMCowboy]

No disputing the fact that he's not a great route runner, he's essentially the same type receiver that Alvin Harper was. And while I think he can improve under Sherman/Garrett's tutelage, given his body type, I don't expect that he'll ever run great routes.

But Burress doesn't run textbook routes either and he's successful at what he does.

I did a little research (shocker I know!) and found that Jones' 2006 catch % numbers were better than some well known receivers (Plaxico Burress was one) and his catch percentage was 1% worse than Terrell Owens was.

Other numbers I've seen posted show that his catch rate was pretty equal to Jacksonville's other receivers as well.

Stash, you are only further proving my point. You combine a poor route runner, with a guy who can not get separation from DB's, and has poor hands (anyone who has a lower catch rate than TO, and that is in his best season) definately has very poor hands you have a WR that simply is not any good. However TO can make up for his "poor" hands because when he does catch the ball he is a monster with it. And Burress can make up for his deficiencies because he is able to use his assets to still create separation and out jump DB's for balls.

 

[Stash]

Stash, you are only further proving my point.

If you say so.

You combine a poor route runner, with a guy who can not get separation from DB's, and has poor hands (anyone who has a lower catch rate than TO, and that is in his best season) definately has very poor hands you have a WR that simply is not any good.

Sorry, but he does get separation from DB's. I don't know where you're getting that part from. And his catch rate was better than Burress' - a guy who just helped the Giants win the Super Bowl so if Jones' hands are 'terrible', what are Burress'? I guess you'd have to call him 'terrible' too.

However TO can make up for his "poor" hands because when he does catch the ball he is a monster with it. And Burress can make up for his deficiencies because he is able to use his assets to still create separation and out jump DB's for balls.

Amazing how your 'case' requires no burden of proof. Despite Jones having catch numbers nearly equal to Owens and better than Burress, he's 'terrible' while they're not.

Don't let facts get in your way.

Obviously your mind is already made up, despite what reality says.

 

[DFWJC]

So what. The point was if Williamson, who has shown he was a worse WR than Jones IN ACTUAL NFL GAMES, is worth a 6th, then Jones isn't going anywhere for free.

This horse is getting to be a bloodied pulp...and I'm not helping, am I.
Another update after OTAs over.

Sounds like current pecking order is
1-Jerry Porter
2-Reggie Williams
3-Dennis Northcut
4-Troy Williamson
5-Mike Walker

then Woods, Jones, Brousard and the rest.

http://www.jaguars.com/news/article.aspx?id=7012

 

[jobberone]

Somebody made a comparison between M Jones and Troy Williamson. I would point out a few things about Troy. Troy's trouble is not catching the ball. That's a big problem. But he has elite speed. He is one of the fastest WRs in the league. He gets open. He gets separation. They are really different WRs occupying different niches in the league. Troy is apparently catching the ball better. Matt is going the opposite direction.

 

[Stash]

Somebody made a comparison between M Jones and Troy Williamson. I would point out a few things about Troy. Troy's trouble is not catching the ball. That's a big problem. But he has elite speed. He is one of the fastest WRs in the league. He gets open. He gets separation. They are really different WRs occupying different niches in the league. Troy is apparently catching the ball better. Matt is going the opposite direction.

Reports indicated that up until this injury, Jones was having a good camp.

But it may be too little too late.

Which I think would be fine for both parties involved.

 

[dbair1967]

Reports indicated that up until this injury, Jones was having a good camp.

.

yes, its been reported by you

everyone else reports the guy stinks

David

 

[iceberg]

let's do chuck!!!!

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