Zeke is third overall in rushing

[wileedog]

I'm really looking forward to posters pontificating Elliott is nothing special, just sign some JAG for cheaper and plug him in back there.

We drafted him. At #4. I know this hurt you somehow, but you'll get over it soon.

Saying Miller = Elliott and cheaper too!!!! is just comedy gold. We'll all look back and have a good laugh.

'OMG, you drafted EZEKIEL ELLIOTT when you coulda had LAMAR MILLER!'

Somebody decided they needed to rile up the "Don't draft Zeke" crowd and posted a thread joyously pointing that Zeke was third in the league in rushing.

I pointed out that the 4th RB in the league was Miller, who was a FA and wouldn't require blowing a top 4 overall pick - and he is getting similar production in an offense not nearly as good.

Miller is probably not as good as Elliot (although to date he is). But he also was a hell of a lot cheaper and resources that went to Zeke could have been used in other areas.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Somebody decided they needed to rile up the "Don't draft Zeke" crowd and posted a thread joyously pointing that Zeke was third in the league in rushing.

I pointed out that the 4th RB in the league was Miller, who was a FA and wouldn't require blowing a top 4 overall pick - and he is getting similar production in an offense not nearly as good.

Miller is probably not as good as Elliot (although to date he is). But he also was a hell of a lot cheaper and resources that went to Zeke could have been used in other areas.

You can make that argument for virtually any position on the field. For example, Rasmey signed for way more than Casey Hayward who already has 3 ints this season. The fact that Zeke is already obviously better than Lamar Miller, a talented and established vet, is ridiculous. So what was your point again?

 

[wileedog]

You can make that argument for virtually any position on the field. For example, Rasmey signed for way more than Casey Hayward who already has 3 ints this season. The fact that Zeke is already obviously better than Lamar Miller, a talented and established vet, is ridiculous. So what was your point again?

My point was that we didn't need someone better than Lamar Miller. We need defensive help far more than we need a RB.

And if Zeke is so "obviously" better than Miller at this point, why is he only 5 yards ahead of him in total production despite playing in an offense clearly better than Houston's? Were those 5 yards worth a top 5 draft pick?

 

[TheRomoSexual]

My point was that we didn't need someone better than Lamar Miller. We need defensive help far more than we need a RB.

And if Zeke is so "obviously" better than Miller at this point, why is he only 5 yards ahead of him in total production despite playing in an offense clearly better than Houston's? Were those 5 yards worth a top 5 draft pick?

Yes, he's obviously better. Do you really not see how absurd you're being comparing a vet to Zeke, a rookie who is undeniably improving each week? He is literally doing better in his first three games than E. Smith and Adrian Peterson did in their first three games. People's expectations are way, way out of whack and out of touch with reality. And we did not need defensive help far more than a RB -- McFadden and Morris, while both fine pieces, were never the answer. We are a much better team with a solid run game, and Zeke will establish that for years.

 

[BAT]

Yes, he's obviously better. Do you really not see how absurd you're being comparing a vet to Zeke, a rookie who is undeniably improving each week? He is literally doing better in his first three games than E. Smith and Adrian Peterson did in their first three games. People's expectations are way, way out of whack and out of touch with reality. And we did not need defensive help far more than a RB -- McFadden and Morris, while both fine pieces, were never the answer. We are a much better team with a solid run game, and Zeke will establish that for years.

I understand your point, but don't believe Emmitt got many touches his first 3 games. It was one of the reasons that Dave Shula was canned. He refused to feature his best offensive player. Emmitt did not have 1000 yards his rookie season but still made pro bowl, his talent was undeniable. Well maybe to all but Dave Shula.

 

[wileedog]

Yes, he's obviously better. Do you really not see how absurd you're being comparing a vet to Zeke, a rookie who is undeniably improving each week? He is literally doing better in his first three games than E. Smith and Adrian Peterson did in their first three games. People's expectations are way, way out of whack and out of touch with reality. And we did not need defensive help far more than a RB -- McFadden and Morris, while both fine pieces, were never the answer. We are a much better team with a solid run game, and Zeke will establish that for years.

He played the friggin Bear's JV team this week. Of course he looked better, their varsity squad isn't even very good.

And can you honestly look at what as happened the last 3 games and say our record right now would not be 2-1 if Morris had been the starting RB and been getting 30 carries a game like Zeke has?

And no, no one's expectations are out of whack. If you are going to draft a RB with the 4th overall pick he better not be a 'work in progress.'

 

[TheRomoSexual]

I understand your point, but don't believe Emmitt got many touches his first 3 games. It was one of the reasons that Dave Shula was canned. He refused to feature his best offensive player. Emmitt did not have 1000 yards his rookie season but still made pro bowl, his talent was undeniable. Well maybe to all but Dave Shula.

That is true. My point is, historically speaking, Zeke is off to a fantastic start, and the fact that people are comparing them to the best in the NFL rather than other rookies is a testament to that fact.

 

[wileedog]

That is true. My point is, historically speaking, Zeke is off to a fantastic start, and the fact that people are comparing them to the best in the NFL rather than other rookies is a testament to that fact.

3.9 YPC against two terrible defenses out of 3 games is not a "fantastic" start no matter how many times you say it.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

He played the friggin Bear's JV team this week. Of course he looked better, their varsity squad isn't even very good.

And can you honestly look at what as happened the last 3 games and say our record right now would not be 2-1 if Morris had been the starting RB and been getting 30 carries a game like Zeke has?

And no, no one's expectations are out of whack. If you are going to draft a RB with the 4th overall pick he better not be a 'work in progress.'

Yes, your expectations are out of whack -- you can't point to a single counter-example to show that Zeke is not off to a fantastic start for a rookie.

 

[Nightman]

My point was that we didn't need someone better than Lamar Miller. We need defensive help far more than we need a RB.

And if Zeke is so "obviously" better than Miller at this point, why is he only 5 yards ahead of him in total production despite playing in an offense clearly better than Houston's? Were those 5 yards worth a top 5 draft pick?

It doesn't matter how much better he is.......Lamar Miller cost 26m and chose HOU.....he wasn't some cheap UDFA

Every position can be bought with FA

We wanted a young RB since we let Murray walk and we got the best one.......it is not a problem except to troublemakers and whiners who can't stroke their pet cats

 

[wileedog]

Yes, your expectations are out of whack -- you can't point to a single counter-example to show that Zeke is not off to a fantastic start for a rookie.

3.9 YPC. 3.6 before playing the anemic and injured Bears. That would be a single counter point to Zeke not being off to a fantastic start.

 

[haleyrules]

Elliott will be a great Cowboy and HELP take this club back to a SB within 3 years!!

 

[kevm3]

The only year we broke 8 and 8 in the past half decade was when we had an excellent run game. I'm not mad at drafting Elliot because the ball club is attempting to get back to that formula. Elliott had a shaky start his first 2 games, but you can see the progression from game to game and the team made a mistake by babying him in preseason and barely giving him any carries. If he can turn into an automatic first down machine like Demarco Murray was, then teams are going to have serious problems dealing with both Dak and Ezekiel Elliott.

 

[wileedog]

It doesn't matter how much better he is.......Lamar Miller cost 26m and chose HOU.....he wasn't some cheap UDFA

If you don't think he would have come here to run behind this Oline after years of criminal misuse in MIA you're crazy.

And yes, he would have cost money. What, is Jerry broke now?

Every position can be bought with FA

But no positions were. If we had actually brought in some premiere defensive talent in FA instead of going dumpster diving again I would have way less of a problem with this pick. WAY less.

We wanted a young RB since we let Murray walk and we got the best one.......it is not a problem except to troublemakers and whiners who can't stroke their pet cats

I don't even like cats. I just want a defense, not a complete overkill offense and a bunch of scrubs on the other side of the ball.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

3.9 YPC. 3.6 before playing the anemic and injured Bears. That would be a single counter point to Zeke not being off to a fantastic start.

Again, you are spouting out stats without historical perspective. Over the last ten years, that have been two top-ten rookie RBs can think of that totaled 250+ yards their first three games -- Adrian Peterson and Todd Gurley. That's it. You have found one stats -- one in which Zeke is improving on each week -- to try and ignore the fact that you are using it to compare Zeke to the best in the game, NOT other rooks at his position. Do you not realize how ridiculous you sound?

 

[wileedog]

Again, you are spouting out stats without historical perspective. Over the last ten years, that have been two top-ten rookie RBs can think of that totaled 250+ yards their first three games -- Adrian Peterson and Todd Gurley. That's it. You have found one stats -- one in which Zeke is improving on each week -- to try and ignore the fact that you are using it to compare Zeke to the best in the game, NOT other rooks at his position. Do you not realize how ridiculous you sound?

Did either of those guys start with the best Oline in football? Or competent QB play?

Yeah, no they didn't. Historical context my rear end.

And please stop with the "do you realize ridiculous you sound" stuff, can you? I'm really just trying to have a conversation here, not prove I am better or worse than internetting than you.

 

[Nightman]

If you don't think he would have come here to run behind this Oline after years of criminal misuse in MIA you're crazy.

And yes, he would have cost money. What, is Jerry broke now?


But no positions were. If we had actually brought in some premiere defensive talent in FA instead of going dumpster diving again I would have way less of a problem with this pick. WAY less.


I don't even like cats. I just want a defense, not a complete overkill offense and a bunch of scrubs on the other side of the ball.

We went D with the 2nd 3rd 4th 6th and 6th ........stop whining

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Did either of those guys start with the best Oline in football? Or competent QB play?

Yeah, no they didn't. Historical context my rear end.

Yes, you can't provide a single example in the last 10 years of a rookie RB doing markedly better in his first three games, but that's okay sunshine. You just stick to your guns, the BB guns that they are.

 

[wileedog]

We went D with the 2nd 3rd 4th 6th and 6th ........stop whining

Considering our hit rate on picks in the 2nd 3rd 4th 6th and 6th I think my "whining" is justified.

And that 2nd may never play a down of football.

 

[haleyrules]

Within 2 yrs Elliott will be the NFL's leading rusher!!