Zeke is third overall in rushing

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tyke1doe said:
Wow! All this dissention after a win.
What'll it be like after a loss? :laugh:
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I'm sure we will hear numerous times how Zeke wasn't worth the 4th pick. And we should have taken a defensive back with 1 pick in 4 years. Or one of the pass rushers who have literally don't nothing the first 3 games...
 

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CATCH17 said:
McFadden could've done just as well last night.

Not impressed.

The production is really good.. It doesn't take a top 5 pick to get good production. We need special for that investment.
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How'd Emmitt look in his first 3 games? Answer: NOT.AS.GOOD.

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CATCH17 said:
It's not about that.. It's about the standard that we should expect.

People are acting like Morris couldn't have done the same or better with 30 carries.

Where are the big electric plays?
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yeah elliot did ok in the game, but had 30 carries, 140 yds, 4.7 avg.
his overall avg is 3.9 per carry for the season.
Murray has a 6.0 avg with 45 carries.

I think if they gave morris 30 carries, he would have done as good maybe better than 140.

Where are the big electric plays?...... he did jump over a guy ! lol

And it was the bears.

I saw that elliot was tired at end of game, and thought they should have put morris in, but they kept E in , why did they do that??
Are they trying to pump up his yards?

Elliot did block good, and they threw him one pass which turned out good.
It also looked like cowboys were blocking man schemes in the game more than in previous games.
They even used dunbar as a power runner in the game and I dont get that at all.

What happened to passing to dunbar ??
 
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TheRomoSexual said:
This year, it is 34:57, second in the league. Are you so blinded by your position that you don't think Zeke has had an effect on that? And the time-difference was pretty significant between the two years -- 32:13 in 2014 v. 31.07 in 2015. Really not sure of the point you are trying to make -- a solid running game as a big impact on TOP, which in turn can significantly impact the effectiveness of a defense. To argue otherwise is silly.
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My comment has nothing to do with Elliott, but the running game has very little to do with offensive time of possession. The three most important factors -- by far -- are pace of play, completion percentage and third-down conversion rate.

Also, the "time difference" you mention between 2014 and 2015 is almost entirely because the defense was worse. The offense averaged only 2 seconds fewer per possession (3:00 in 2015, compared with 3:02 in 2014 -- both of which were among the top three in the NFL).
 

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CATCH17 said:
Emmitt wasn't a top 5 pick and didn't walk into the best situation in the NFL for a RB.

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This whole argument about WHERE a RB is drafted is a complete fabrication of reality. You can't just say that a RB at #5 has to do such and such to justify that selection. If the RB is the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE at #1, then they should be drafted at #1. There was NO ONE better value for Dallas at #5. No one.

Dallas' weakness are DL, DE and LB. There was NO ONE more valuable at those positions.

A CB at #5 would not have changed this defense 3%. Especially one that never gets INTs. We already have a talented athletic group of CBs and Safetys that don't get INTS.

The entire argument about Ezekiel's value is a strawman.

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windjc said:
This whole argument about WHERE a RB is drafted is a complete fabrication of reality. You can't just say that a RB at #5 has to do such and such to justify that selection. If the RB is the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE at #1, then they should be drafted at #1. There was NO ONE better value for Dallas at #5. No one.

Dallas' weakness are DL, DE and LB. There was NO ONE more valuable at those positions.

A CB at #5 would not have changed this defense 3%. Especially one that never gets INTs. We already have a talented athletic group of CBs and Safetys that don't get INTS.

The entire argument about Ezekiel's value is a strawman.

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There is no better value at pick 5 than a RB? When jag corners are getting 12 mill a season and there is no value with picking a Jaylon Ramsey? Ok.


Zeke needs to make some plays. His position is dime a dozen. He isn't doing anything some other RB couldn't do.

Lets see how he runs against 8 & 9 man fronts again that aren't the Bears.
 

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There is no better value at pick 5 than a RB? When jag corners are getting 12 mill a season and there is no value with picking a Jaylon Ramsey? Ok.


Zeke needs to make some plays. His position is dime a dozen. He isn't doing anything some other RB couldn't do.

Lets see how he runs against 8 & 9 man fronts again that aren't the Bears.
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He blocks better than 90% of RBs. Or does McFadden missing a block leading to Romo breaking a collarbone last season not matter?

Ramsey would not have helped us much. Cornerbacks that get beat by Steve Smith and dont get INTS are a dime a dozen. How many of our JAG corners are getting 12 million a year? Oh yeah, zero.

Zeke is already better than any RB we've had since Emmitt. Emmitt didn't give us big plays. Zeke doesn't need 80 yard TDs to be worth more than a #5 pick.
 
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windjc said:
He blocks better than 90% of RBs. Or does McFadden missing a block leading to Romo breaking a collarbone last season not matter?

Ramsey would not have helped us much.

Zeke is already better than any RB we've had since Emmitt. Emmitt didn't give us big plays. Zeke doesn't need 80 yard TDs to be worth more than a #5 pick.
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Ramsey wouldn't have helped us much? Our defense is desperate for talent. Of course he would help us.

We'd be more than fine with Morris carrying the rock.


The thing is.. I bought into the Cowboys thinking that he is a special player playing behind a special line so I expect special plays.
 

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windjc said:
Ramsey would not have helped us much. Cornerbacks that get beat by Steve Smith and dont get INTS are a dime a dozen.
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Ramsey mostly shut Smith down - he did his damage on the other Jag DBs. People really should watch the games they feel the need to comment on.

Ramsey has been great for a rookie CB.
 

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CATCH17 said:
Ramsey wouldn't have helped us much? Our defense is desperate for talent. Of course he would help us.

We'd be more than fine with Morris carrying the rock.


The thing is.. I bought into the Cowboys thinking that he is a special player playing behind a special line so I expect special plays.
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Your expectations for the first 3 games were unrealistic. Thats on you. Doesnt have anything to do with whether Zeke is worth a 5th or not. Thats all on you.

Ramsey would not have helped much. Fact.
 

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windjc said:
Really? who else is going to play FS better than Bryon? Ramsey wouldnt have helped much.
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Byron doesn't play FS on obvious passing downs. He plays FS in the base defense, then plays man-to-man in passing situations. That's why Wilcox is on the field so much.

Ramsey could play FS in those situations, or allow Claiborne to. Both are a major upgrade to Wilcox, who struggles in coverage.
 
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RoyTheHammer said:
I don't think there's any doubt Zeke had a very good game. Now as far as 3rd overall..he is getting alot of carries. I'd like to see a higher ypc average from him and more broken tackles but hey..it's his 3rd game in the NFL. So far so good..
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YPC has gone up each of the last 3 games. His one game where it was very low was VS the Giants who may one of the best run defenses in the NFL
 
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