The goat, where does Prescott really rank

TheMarathonContinues

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Dak can get passes for games like that to if it ends in a Super Bowl victory instead of missing the playoffs.
That makes no sense...if you win a Super Bowl shouldn't you be the one who isn't bad against those teams?

The point that you're missing is that if the great Tom Brady can struggle against good defenses why would you expect Dak not to? Because he has a star on his helmet?
 

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Use your imagination and try to answer the question. Predict the records of teams with starting good QBs and with backups in their place. Probably a 50% difference in record.
Nick Foles
 

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That makes no sense...if you win a Super Bowl shouldn't you be the one who isn't bad against those teams?

The point that you're missing is that if the great Tom Brady can struggle against good defenses why would you expect Dak not to? Because he has a star on his helmet?
Because people like you like to mention Dak in the same breath as Brady like he's some kind of equal. That's why.

If you don't want people expecting greatness from Dak then stop acting like he's up there with real winners and MVPs in the league.
 

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Because people like you mention like to mention Dak in the same breath as Brady like he's some kind of equal. That's why.

If you don't want people expecting greatness from Dak then stop acting like he's up there with real winners and MVPs in the league.

I do expect Dak to be great. Why shouldn't we?

You're once again missing the point. But its cool.
 

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So for argument's sake.....Brees played about 18 years in the NFL....in those 18 years......he has 10 years of 10 wins or less and he has 7 seasons of winning 8 games or less...

Why does Brees have so many bad seasons?

Maybe he just wasn't all that people are making him out to be. Maybe he was just an average QB over the long haul. I think Brees was pretty good but more a stats QB than a clutch big game performing QB. Saw highlights of him every week for those 18 years. Saw him pay a bunch of times.

Based on the data you are providing me, looks like he just wasn't good enough to elevate his teams to make the difference many years or his teams were really, really bad and would have been atrocious without him.
 

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Maybe he just wasn't all that people are making him out to be. Maybe he was just an average QB over the long haul. I think Brees was pretty good but more a stats QB than a clutch big game performing QB. Saw highlights of him every week for those 18 years. Saw him pay a bunch of times.

Based on the data you are providing me, looks like he just wasn't good enough to elevate his teams to make the difference many years or his teams were really, really bad and would have been atrocious without him.
But he won a Super Bowl lol...the same amount of Super Bowls as Aaron Rodgers. So was Aaron Rodgers also not that good? This is insane......I get you're trying to stick by your point but you don't have to try and knock Brees to do it. Brees was a great QB lol.
 

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Nick Foles

Maybe there isn't much difference between Foles and Wentz. So, in that case it just didn't matter. Foles did nothing in Jacksonville and Chicago. Wentz did nothing since and just got booted from Philly. Only needing a bus driver is not the norm. An exception here or there means little.
 

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Tom Brady, his teams have won against ,Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers. In the playoffs. Not to mention Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, and others obviously . Are you the best simply because you beat the best. Or you have the best numbers, statistics. I can’t wait for the season opener. Prescott has gone into Pittsburgh and beat Rothlisberger in his own house. We beat Aaron Rodgers in his own house. And we went down to New Orleans and beat them also . It’s time to beat Tom Brady, and Patrick Mahomes , this season. Yeah I know it’s about playoffs and championships. But that’s more about team and coaching. No this is not another Prescott thread. This is what gives you the right to be called the best.
It's one thing to beat a team during the regular season vs a playoff game. I think the best QBs are able to make plays when it matters most!
 

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That first Philly game could be considered another one of his decent game manager games I guess. He had a INT and a fumble in that game also. I wouldn't look at that game and think it was a good game by any means. It's not as bad as the second Philly game, but if you only saw Daks stats there's no way you would have said "yup, we win that game with those numbers from Dak".

But once again though, Zeke with 22 carries for 111 yards, 6 catches for 36 yards, and 2 total TDs. Zeke was the focal point and we win in dominating fashion, just like the Rams game. It's so easy to see what works and what should be the focus.

It is proven over and over again when Dak takes a back seat we have much more success.
to the untrained eye and some one with an agenda, this may seem like a game manager type of game, specially if you focus on partial stats (which is surprising because in another thread you called me out for looking at partial stats, but we know how you move the targets).

in the game he was 21-27 for about 80% completion rate. that's not too bad. he averaged 8.85 ypa, which is very high, this tells us he was pretty aggressive during the game.

in the first half the cowboys went up 27-7 in total command of the game. he was 15/21 for 183 yards......again we were up 27-7 and in total command of the game. in the first half we only attempted 13 runs....that's pass heavy offense putting the game in your QBs hands when you pass way over 60% of the time.

the second half was about making the game shorter, running the ball and eating the clock, no need to risk anything...in the second half we rushed 19 times....one of the better games Garrett actually managed correctly. he only threw 6 passes and attempted 8 (sacked twice). he also rushed the ball once....tony pollard and zeke split the carries in the second half......his interception came when the game was in total control at 30-10 with 9 minutes left in the 4th quarter, at the eagles end being intercepted at goal line. perhaps he was a bit too aggressive and should have been more of a game manager ;).

yeah yeah yeah, you are entitled to your opinion. yeah yeah yeah you won't change your mind unless he wins MVP (and then you find a whole other thread why you won't give him credit for his MVP)....
but opinions based on partial facts are often wrong :rolleyes:

you should really learn to get into the details of the game to understand what really transpired. looking at final stat sheet is often very misleading and for the casual or fantasy football fans.....perhaps you are one of those. not that there is anything wrong with it.
 

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I do expect Dak to be great. Why shouldn't we?

You're once again missing the point. But its cool.
Then why get upset anytime someone criticizes him and start using GOATs like Tom Brady as the comparison? Use someone like Kirk Cousins or Derek Carr. Those are the guys that Dak is level with right now until he proves otherwise.
 

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to the untrained eye and some one with an agenda, this may seem like a game manager type of game, specially if you focus on partial stats (which is surprising because in another thread you called me out for looking at partial stats, but we know how you move the targets).

in the game he was 21-27 for about 80% completion rate. that's not too bad. he averaged 8.85 ypa, which is very high, this tells us he was pretty aggressive during the game.

in the first half the cowboys went up 27-7 in total command of the game. he was 15/21 for 183 yards......again we were up 27-7 and in total command of the game. in the first half we only attempted 13 runs....that's pass heavy offense putting the game in your QBs hands when you pass way over 60% of the time.

the second half was about making the game shorter, running the ball and eating the clock, no need to risk anything...in the second half we rushed 19 times....one of the better games Garrett actually managed correctly. he only threw 6 passes and attempted 8 (sacked twice). he also rushed the ball once....tony pollard and zeke split the carries in the second half......his interception came when the game was in total control at 30-10 with 9 minutes left in the 4th quarter, at the eagles end being intercepted at goal line. perhaps he was a bit too aggressive and should have been more of a game manager ;).

yeah yeah yeah, you are entitled to your opinion. yeah yeah yeah you won't change your mind unless he wins MVP (and then you find a whole other thread why you won't give him credit for his MVP)....
but opinions based on partial facts are often wrong :rolleyes:

you should really learn to get into the details of the game to understand what really transpired. looking at final stat sheet is often very misleading and for the casual or fantasy football fans.....perhaps you are one of those. not that there is anything wrong with it.
Yeah, I don't read your rants anymore lol
 

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But he won a Super Bowl lol...the same amount of Super Bowls as Aaron Rodgers. So was Aaron Rodgers also not that good? This is insane......I get you're trying to stick by your point but you don't have to try and knock Brees to do it. Brees was a great QB lol.

I don't know why you keep pointing to super bowls wins. Keep it at regular season records. Predict the Chiefs record with Mahomes and with his backup playing. You will see a huge difference in victories 13-4 vs 4-13. Same with Rodgers and many of the starting QBs in the NFL. It is that simple. You don't have to bring SBs into the equation since the playoffs and SB bring some other elements into play. A team's regular season win-loss record correlates with a large percentage (up to 50%) with the QBs performance.

Go ahead and predict 2021 regular season win-loss records:
Bills with Allen vs with Trubisky 12-5 vs 7-10
Chiefs with Mahomes vs backup 13-4 vs 4-13
Packers with Rodgers vs Love 12-5 vs 6-10
Seahawks with Wilson vs backup 11-6 vs 2-15
Cowboys with Dak vs Gilbert 10-7 vs 4-13
Falcons with Ryan vs backup 7-10 vs 3-14

The elite QBs who are paid the big bucks are responsible for a large percentage of the team's regular season performance. Teams can get lucky and have a very good backup waiting in the wings like Bledsoe-Brady or Romo-Dak. Not very likely but it happens.
 

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Then why get upset anytime someone criticizes him and start using GOATs like Tom Brady as the comparison? Use someone like Kirk Cousins or Derek Carr. Those are the guys that Dak is level with right now until he proves otherwise.
Well its not getting upset for starters. Its simply having a football discussion on a forum. We all aren't going to agree on everything on this site.

So with that out of the way I never compared him to Brady I used him as an example because to me Brady is the GOAT. He's the ceiling. And you think Kirk Cousins and Derek Carr fair well in games against top defenses? If you do, you have another thing coming lol. I used Brady because I thought it would be easier for you to understand but I guess not maybe?
 
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