BR: Garrett isn't coaching for his job (speculation)

[rcaldw]

I just got the alert on my BR app. Looks like he's safe despite the outcome of SNF.

lol Oh the angst!

 

[rcaldw]

For real... Bleacher Report app? LOL.

Gosselin said on Norm's show this morning that he thought Garrett saved his job with the Washington win, that we could get blown out 44-10 Sunday night and it wouldn't matter. Considering what others posted above, I wonder if he heard something.

Gawd I hope he's wrong though. Even the Campo era only lasted three years, and that was with no talent.

Jerry said it himself on his radio show.

 

[Novacek84]

I can't argue either of those points. And yeah, you could have put me in the "Garrett Groupie" category before this year. But my faith has dissolved. I admit that when I heard the news about Romo yesterday, the thought that this would give Jerry an excuse to keep Garrett went through my mind. My point is, though, we make such a big deal about getting rid of Garrett, I think with the false premise that the next guy, whoever he may be, will be better, and run a more successful team. I don't buy into that. If you were to ask me whether I think Garrett has been a success or a faliure to this point, I'd have to go with failure. However, I think every bit as much, he's been put in a position to fail, and I have a hard time seeing any coach overcoming that. I would love to think that a guy like Gruden, or Wisenhunt, or Lovie, could be significantly more successful in this environment. I just think that Jerry has become the next Al Davis, and that's too much to overcome.

Too much to overcome? So we just accept Garrett as coach for life? Nonsense. There are always coaches who are capable of coaching in meddlesome situations. We saw it with Gruden in Oakland. Ultimately he got fed up and left but he built that last Raiders Super Bowl team. The right personality coach can be successful here. This is the Dallas Cowboys. It's not like nobody wants this job. This is THE NFL job regardless of what he media tells you. It's like managing the Yankees.

 

[Kevinicus]

Nope. I didn't see it that way.

I am not sure I would call the NO game a quit, but I would definitely say the team quit in that game before I would say they quit in the Philly game in '08.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

i never said that, if you have a different opinion that is fine

here is what you posted

"MichaelWinicki said: ↑
Yeah.

What's the other choice?

Fetal position."

basically saying that there is no point

There's no point in losing perspective over the decision to retain or fire.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I am not sure I would call the NO game a quit, but I would definitely say the team quit in that game before I would say they quit in the Philly game in '08.

I saw a team that was worn down (on defense).

The Philly game in '08 had two teams of comparable talent... I don't think anyone would say the Cowboy team that faced New Orleans was of a comparable talent level.

 

[Zordon]

jerry will not stop until this franchise is completely destroyed.

 

[wileedog]

Any good organization doesn't change coaches every 2-3.

That's because good organizations hire guys who are actually qualified to coach in the first place.

There are QB coaches in this league with thicker resumes than Garrett had when he was handed a HC position. And the fact that 3 1/2 years into this he is still completely mismanaging games like GB a week ago doesn't indicate he is getting any more qualified as he goes along here.

Good organizations also know when to cut their losses.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I don't know if I can take another year of all this stacking and processing.

Today's NFL isn't how it was a decade ago, you don't need 3 full offseasons to rebuild.

Garrett was totally out of excuses, one game away from being the offensive coordinator in Cincinatti (if he was that lucky) or something, then this happens with Romo's back. Unbelievable.

There are a lot of organizations and fanbases that disagree with you.

Tell that to a Browns, Dolphins, Lions, Vikings, Rams, Bills, *insert sad sack franchise here* fan and be prepared to be punched in the face.

 

[Picksix]

Too much to overcome? So we just accept Garrett as coach for life? Nonsense. There are always coaches who are capable of coaching in meddlesome situations. We saw it with Gruden in Oakland. Ultimately he got fed up and left but he built that last Raiders Super Bowl team. The right personality coach can be successful here. This is the Dallas Cowboys. It's not like nobody wants this job. This is THE NFL job regardless of what he media tells you. It's like managing the Yankees.

Didn't say that. Of course, you keep trying. But to have a coach be able to overcome Jerry and his micromanaging, he'd have to have a level of control that Jerry doesn't seem to want to relinquish. Will Jerry let that coach pick his own staff, completely? Pick his players? Make the call on who gets resigned and who gets let go? The only time we've seen that in the last 18 years was with Parcells, and even then, Jerry couldn't help himself after awhile, and then rationalized that giving up that much control didn't lead to a whole lot more success. If he doesn't want to give up that control, then yeah, there are coaches who will want to come here, but most will be like Wade or Garrett or Gailey. You bring up Gruden in Oakland, but then yeah, he wanted to leave because Al was being just like Jerry is now.

As for the Yankees, there are some similarities, but some distinct differences as well. For one, they're not on a level playing field in terms of salaries they can pay to players. For another, the Steinbrenners have always had a GM in Cashman, that has had a lot of control over personnel.

 

[khiladi]

There are a lot of organizations and fanbases that disagree with you.

Tell that to a Browns, Dolphins, Lions, Vikings, Rams, Bills, *insert sad sack franchise here* fan and be prepared to be punched in the face.

Uh, excuses are running out for the people in charge as well. The fact that teams till suck doesn't prove the point that it takes 3 offseasons to rebuild. t just poves that some people still suck at it, despite given the available opportunity to do it.

 

[Jason 82 Witten]

There are a lot of organizations and fanbases that disagree with you.

Tell that to a Browns, Dolphins, Lions, Vikings, Rams, Bills, *insert sad sack franchise here* fan and be prepared to be punched in the face.

This is the Dallas freaking Cowboys were talking about, except for Miami's undefeated season, none of these teams have the history that the Cowboys have

 

[Toruk_Makto]

This is the Dallas freaking Cowboys were talking about, except for Miami's undefeated season, none of these teams have the history that the Cowboys have

Unfortunatley we all play by the same rules and salary cap restrictions. How much your franchise is worth off the field doesn't mean a thing.

Fact of the matter is...is that look at the team JG inherited and the team that he currently has. From a personnel standpoint we are younger, faster and i'd argue much better. Again JG became the head coach because the team had cratered into a 1 win and a lot of losses ball club.

8-8 the last two seasons blah blah blah....I hope people (this is asking a lot I know) can look beyond the simple record and see improvements where they have been made.

You hope success follows but we aren't a coach away from the Lombardi. That's just stupid fan logic.

People want to bring in Cowher. Had the Steelers not stuck with him through a pretty ugly beginning we wouldn't even remember the name. That's fact. Look it up.

 

[Dodger12]

Yes, he's won nearly 30 games and never made a good decision. Put the whiskey down, clown.

Wow, talk about hyperbole and exaggeration. "Nearly" 30 games? If you count the two games per season that Garrett is known to throw away, then we'd be 10 and 6 in each season and playing for the playoffs three years straight as NFC East Champs. I have to give you credit though....you are certainly looking at things from a new and unique perspective. Hey, Dave Campo was nearly .500 as a HC with no franchise QB and minimal talent on the roster. There, that sounds better.........

 

[pjtoadie]

8-8 the last two seasons blah blah blah....I hope people (this is asking a lot I know) can look beyond the simple record and see improvements where they have been made.

Why do you say blah blah blah when referring to our 8-8 record? If we lose on Sunday which I think we will it'll be the third consecutive 8-8 season under Garrett. Fourth consecutive season without the playoffs. You're judged by wins and losses so we're mediocre. It is what it is!

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Wow, talk about hyperbole and exaggeration. "Nearly" 30 games? If you count the two games per season that Garrett is known to throw away, then we'd be 10 and 6 in each season and playing for the playoffs three years straight as NFC East Champs. I have to give you credit though....you are certainly looking at things from a new and unique perspective. Hey, Dave Campo was nearly .500 as a HC with no franchise QB and minimal talent on the roster. There, that sounds better.........

I had no idea so many people on this board had trouble with adverbs. I shouldn't be surprised, though. I did the rough math in my head and didn't want to be erroneous. He's won 29 games, happy now Einstein Jr?

 

[Dodger12]

I had no idea so many people on this board had trouble with adverbs. I shouldn't be surprised, though. I did the rough math in my head and didn't want to be erroneous. He's won 29 games, happy now Einstein Jr?

Thanks Jerry. I didn't factor in his time as interim HC, just the last three years that he's been at the helm for the full season. I still like the way you think outside the box and convince yourself that Garrett is a successful and worthy HC. I like the way you process and stack the wins. Nice.......

 

[wileedog]

From a personnel standpoint we are younger, faster and i'd argue much better. .

Not even remotely true on the defense.

Especially considering Hatcher and Spencer are probably gone for good and Ware is toast. There is nothing on the DL behind them on this roster who have proven anything (other than an overachieving rotational player in Selvie. Maybe). The secondary is an over-paid and under-achieving joke, and I still don't think there is an NFL quality safety on this roster (which is fantastic news for a team running a Cover-2). We have 1 LBer worth spit, and he can't stay on the field for 16 games.

The only improvement I see anywhere on this team is the OLine, and that happens when you invest two #1 picks into it. Even Wade could have done that. Oh and our collection of TEs and WRs is shaping up nicely.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I don't think you adequately remember this team from 3 years ago.

 

[Iago33]

at least he (and others of us) will not be standing out in the storm trying to convince everyone the sun is out

as long is Jerry runs the show, it doesn't matter. it is what it is. why argue? Get back to me when Jerry is no longer GM, and we can talk.