Video: ESPN: Photos of Greg Hardy's former girlfriend show multiple injuries

[ghst187]

Every sport has groupies. They do it. Players enjoy it. Does that make her worthy of being abused? Doing drugs, liking athletes and money, etc...none are excuses for being abused.

as Tosh said, "what if you come home and your wife just finished drowning your first two kids and she was in the process of drowning the third? Can you hit her then?"

 

[DogFace]

I wasn't there and am not gonna pretend like I was. That's between Hardy and that crazy chick. She took the money and refused to cooperate later. If she was beat down as bad as everyone is making out to be then she shouldn't have taken the money and instead testify against him. She didn't and instead cashed out.
One thing I have gathered is if she was thrown around and beat to hell why was she going after him when he was on the phone with 911. I know if someone beat my arse down and was his size I sure as hell wouldn't continue going after him.

This is a very key part I think many are ignoring. In the 911 call she didn't sound like a completely innocent victim.
Why would she stay there screaming at him and breaking things? I can't understand that and I'd honestly like the ones that are sure he's totally at fault to address this fact.

 

[phildadon86]

He's got marks on his face. So its fair and square.

Same goes for Ray Rice...his GF shouldnt have spit on him and swung at him. Fair and square.

Abuse is when someone gets hit and did nothing to incite or deserve being hit.

Can of worms, OPENED

 

[TrailBlazer]

I simply don't care. He's a football player. The NFL is about accumulating talent. When building a team, there will be a few guys that you wouldn't want to hang out with. It's ok. He helps the Dallas Cowboys. He's ok with me.

 

[Slashar00]

Anyone who thinks Hardy did nothing wrong is an idiot. What he did was terrible, and if his former girlfriend had cooperated, he wouldn't be playing for anyone. Opinion--those bruises are probably not from hours of abuse; more likely from being thrown on top of the guns and roughed up a bit there...still terrible.

That said, People make mistakes in all walks of life, and without a conviction, without a witness who wants to press charges, without any criminal history and no repeat offense, they don't lose their jobs. The NFL suspended him for ten games; an arbiter reduced it to four; he never fought it, but served it. I believe in second chances, and I'm happy he's a Cowboy...right now. If he gets in trouble again, he will be dead to me and likely forfeit his right to participate in his career. Ray Lewis and plenty of Hall of Fame players had histories as bad or worse. They were also given second chances.

Allowing a guy to work is not the same thing as condoning his crime/mistake. The only reason Rice isn't working right now is because he sucks and has little value. A man or woman who abuses his/her spouse does a reprehensible thing, but that has been part of the human existence forever, and the person isn't exiled from his/her career as a plumber, a salesman, or a banker. Society even goes out of its way to find jobs for convicted criminals upon release from prison, knowing that work is essential to existence and recovery. Make no mistake, playing football in the NFL is a job. Whether or not fans honor, glamorize, celebrate, or embrace the player is on the fan. The man or woman has a right to participate in his/her career, IMO.

Repeat offenses or other bad behavior, like with other offenses like theft, drugs, alcoholism, etc. changes everything. My personal decision is that I would never wear a Hardy jersey any more than I would fly the confederate flag from my pickup truck, but I support freedom and second chances, and I hope Hardy is successful in Dallas and in becoming a better person in control of himself.

This is pretty much my feeling. The photos were not nearly as bad as they could have been, considering how ugly domestic violence can be. Hardy has served his suspension. It's time to move on and let him work. However, a second domestic violence offense would be disastrous. If it were to happen two years from now after giving him a huge contract, I think we would all be very upset. He'd be facing a lifetime ban. And from what I've seen, I can't say he seems to be the most mentally stable person in the world, but I'm keeping an open mind.

As for the case, no one really knows. But from the article I read, Hardy did not dispute that Holder was thrown into a tub and thrown onto a bed of guns. He claimed she did it to herself. Just try to imagine what that looks like. It doesn't look very plausible to me. When detectives arrived, Holder said, "I fell down some stairs." That is not the answer a person gives when they're trying to frame someone for a crime. That's the kind of answer a domestic violence victim gives on a repeated basis in this world. I think people should just accept that he most likely is guilty and let him work.

 

[dallasdave]

Exactly right. They had no issue with it. He paid his dues and all that.

 

[DogFace]

This is pretty much my feeling. The photos were not nearly as bad as they could have been, considering how ugly domestic violence can be. Hardy has served his suspension. It's time to move on and let him work. However, a second domestic violence offense would be disastrous. If it were to happen two years from now after giving him a huge contract, I think we would all be very upset. He'd be facing a lifetime ban. And from what I've seen, I can't say he seems to be the most mentally stable person in the world, but I'm keeping an open mind.

As for the case, no one really knows. But from the article I read, Hardy did not dispute that Holder was thrown into a tub and thrown onto a bed of guns. He claimed she did it to herself. Just try to imagine what that looks like. It doesn't look very plausible to me. When detectives arrived, Holder said, "I fell down some stairs." That is not the answer a person gives when they're trying to frame someone for a crime. That's the kind of answer a domestic violence victim gives on a repeated basis in this world. I think people should just accept that he most likely is guilty and let him work.

Possibly a reasonable conclusion.

 

[Kaiser]

This is a very key part I think many are ignoring. In the 911 call she didn't sound like a completely innocent victim.

Also if you listen to the 911 call, Hardy is completely calm and just tired and annoyed with the whole situation. Holder's story initially was that he was in a murderous rage, picking her up over his head and throwing her across the room. Her story at the bench trial was that he choked her and threatened to kill her in a murderous rage.

In that situation, the one in a rage isn't the whole who calls 911 as happened in this case. And when they do, they don't calmly and patiently ask the dispatcher for help.

The 911 tape is also evidence the DA considered when dropping all charges. Her testimony was that she was calm but on the tape you hear her screaming. Hardy's attorneys would have played the tape at the trial and shown where it contradicted her testimony - which already contradicted her police report.

 

[ghst187]

not sure if I saw the right pictures but those that I did see sure didn't wow me. I get worse injuries, markings, and bruisings from roughhousing with my kids.

I find it tragically comical that so many high-horse journalists are saying Jerry should now cut Greg Hardy immediately because of the pictures. From what I can tell of the truth here...she went to his place to extort money from him, got pizzed when he wouldn't give it to her so she started a fight and he fought back a little harder than he should have. She's no innocent victim here but that's the pass she's getting. Pretty sure that if Ronda Rousey would've started a fight with Hardy, armbarred Hardy and broke his arm but she came away a black eye it'd be the same story from the media.

Furthermore, if those mediots who claim to be holier than everyone else want to make a statement, they should refuse to ever cover the Cowboys or talk about them again. Or better yet, they should immediately resign and go find another career because if they want this behavior to stop they should stop enabling it with their constant reporting which only adds to the money involved in pro sports, which only adds to the likelihood that teams will continue to employee less-than-saintly players and cheat games.

 

[Kaiser]

not sure if I saw the right pictures but those that I did see sure didn't wow me. I get worse injuries, markings, and bruisings from roughhousing with my kids.

As the Attorney representing your children, my demands are being sent by Fedex that you will receive tomorrow....

I kid, I kid....

 

[ghst187]

As the Attorney representing your children, my demands are being sent by Fedex that you will receive tomorrow....

I kid, I kid....

HA! i said I RECIEVE the bruises like that. I'm no Adrian Peterson and the NFL ain't no modern-day slavery.

 

[Vtwin]

I had a crazy girlfriend a long time ago. Everyone should have one in their time. One night she came over drunk and was on a mission to get a reaction out of me for some reason. After her initial efforts failed she took it up a notch and flat out sucker punched me. Got a real nice shiner out of it I had to explain the next day lol. When even that didn't get the reaction she was looking for she began swinging. I grabbed her by the wrists to protect myself and she started in with the knees to the groin.

Now let me ask you OH MY GOD DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, BANISH HIM!!! people, what would YOU do in that situation?

What I did, cold sober by the way, was to shove her hard enough to disengage so I could put some space between us as I was backed into a tight space. She ended up falling onto the bed. Had there been anything on the bed she would have likely been bruised. She came out of that room on fire! Now what are you going to do? Leave her in your place alone in that state? Not likely. Having height, reach, agility, strength and brains over her I was able to handle her second attack and get her in a bear hug and carried her kicking and screaming to the door and out. She ended up with bruises on her wrists and a bruise on her chest from the shove to get her off me. Am I a scumbag domestic abuser? Would you just stand there and allow yourself to be beaten by this poor, defenseless women?

I have also witnessed the same behavior a few other times. In all cases the driving force was simply emotion without the added incentive of a payday.

The point is, just because the bubble you came up under didn't include this type of behavior don't be naive enough to think it doesn't exist.

Based on my experiences Hardy's version seems certainly possible if not probable.

The media driven outrage saddens me. For all we like to think we've advanced as a society we're still burning witches, and forming lynch mobs.

Truth be damned.

 

[tyke1doe]

Anyone who thinks Hardy did nothing wrong is an idiot. What he did was terrible, and if his former girlfriend had cooperated, he wouldn't be playing for anyone. Opinion--those bruises are probably not from hours of abuse; more likely from being thrown on top of the guns and roughed up a bit there...still terrible.

That said, People make mistakes in all walks of life, and without a conviction, without a witness who wants to press charges, without any criminal history and no repeat offense, they don't lose their jobs. The NFL suspended him for ten games; an arbiter reduced it to four; he never fought it, but served it. I believe in second chances, and I'm happy he's a Cowboy...right now. If he gets in trouble again, he will be dead to me and likely forfeit his right to participate in his career. Ray Lewis and plenty of Hall of Fame players had histories as bad or worse. They were also given second chances.

Allowing a guy to work is not the same thing as condoning his crime/mistake. The only reason Rice isn't working right now is because he sucks and has little value. A man or woman who abuses his/her spouse does a reprehensible thing, but that has been part of the human existence forever, and the person isn't exiled from his/her career as a plumber, a salesman, or a banker. Society even goes out of its way to find jobs for convicted criminals upon release from prison, knowing that work is essential to existence and recovery. Make no mistake, playing football in the NFL is a job. Whether or not fans honor, glamorize, celebrate, or embrace the player is on the fan. The man or woman has a right to participate in his/her career, IMO.

Repeat offenses or other bad behavior, like with other offenses like theft, drugs, alcoholism, etc. changes everything. My personal decision is that I would never wear a Hardy jersey any more than I would fly the confederate flag from my pickup truck, but I support freedom and second chances, and I hope Hardy is successful in Dallas and in becoming a better person in control of himself.

One of the best replies on this topic.

 

[slick325]

Anyone who thinks Hardy did nothing wrong is an idiot. What he did was terrible, and if his former girlfriend had cooperated, he wouldn't be playing for anyone. Opinion--those bruises are probably not from hours of abuse; more likely from being thrown on top of the guns and roughed up a bit there...still terrible.

That said, People make mistakes in all walks of life, and without a conviction, without a witness who wants to press charges, without any criminal history and no repeat offense, they don't lose their jobs. The NFL suspended him for ten games; an arbiter reduced it to four; he never fought it, but served it. I believe in second chances, and I'm happy he's a Cowboy...right now. If he gets in trouble again, he will be dead to me and likely forfeit his right to participate in his career. Ray Lewis and plenty of Hall of Fame players had histories as bad or worse. They were also given second chances.

Allowing a guy to work is not the same thing as condoning his crime/mistake. The only reason Rice isn't working right now is because he sucks and has little value. A man or woman who abuses his/her spouse does a reprehensible thing, but that has been part of the human existence forever, and the person isn't exiled from his/her career as a plumber, a salesman, or a banker. Society even goes out of its way to find jobs for convicted criminals upon release from prison, knowing that work is essential to existence and recovery. Make no mistake, playing football in the NFL is a job. Whether or not fans honor, glamorize, celebrate, or embrace the player is on the fan. The man or woman has a right to participate in his/her career, IMO.

Repeat offenses or other bad behavior, like with other offenses like theft, drugs, alcoholism, etc. changes everything. My personal decision is that I would never wear a Hardy jersey any more than I would fly the confederate flag from my pickup truck, but I support freedom and second chances, and I hope Hardy is successful in Dallas and in becoming a better person in control of himself.

A very well thought out and lucid response...kudos Chuck 54.

 

[big dog cowboy]

People defending a Hardy just stop. He's never said he didn't do it.

To the best of my knowledge he hasn't ever come out and said he did it either. What was your point again?

 

[fortdick]

He won something like 25 million, maybe 28... whatever, it was pretty big. I remember reading that he sent checks for like $100,000 to a small number of people (family, close friends) along with a note saying that was all they'd get so don't ask.

LOL! That is the way to handle it. Course, some one will complain they didn't get enough.

 

[fortdick]

My opinion is that he did what he was accused of. He did get punished, probably adequately. He missed one and a quarter seasons for it. He should have gone to jail, but it would not have been for very long. Compared to Michael Vick, I figure he got comparable punishment.

He is now a Cowboy. I don't have to like him or think that he is a decent human being, which I don't, to hope he gets after a QB. Every time he gets a sack, I say to myself, "Hell yes! You dirty scumbag did a great job!" If he continues to play well and doesn't get into anymore trouble, I can choke it down. I didn't want him here, but he is, so I have to deal with it. I will never like the guy, but I do like some pass rush.

But don't ever think that I would accept a Vick or a Rice, I don't care how good they are. They went way beyond what is tolerable for me.

 

[Kaiser]

To the best of my knowledge he hasn't ever come out and said he did it either. What was your point again?

Spending hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees and entering a plea of Not Guilty does count as "saying you didn't do it".

 

[fortdick]

Spending hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees and entering a plea of Not Guilty does count as "saying you didn't do it".

Please don't forget the undisclosed payoff to the victim. That to me is an admission he did do it. The more he paid, the more guilty he is!

 

[cowboys2233]

Please don't forget the undisclosed payoff to the victim. That to me is an admission he did do it. The more he paid, the more guilty he is!

Is it possible that maybe, just maybe, she didn't fetch him a turkey pot pie when he asked for one?