Taylor says Zeke at 4

[Rogerthat12]

I don't know why so many would be opposed to the pick. I guess it's because of where some draft pundits rate him, but I've seen him in the top five on some boards.

Frankly, I think there are less questions about Elliott than anyone else desired with that pick, including the player I want the most, Bosa. If he could have a Gurley-like impact on our offense, there's certainly nothing wrong with the choice.

Zeke is one of the safest picks outside of Tunsil in this draft, most have Zeke as a top 5 talent and he has very few issues in his game.

The only real question is @#4 or a trade down scenario and most of this is due to the value argument with regard to the RB position in the current landscape.

I can see arguments on both sides, with Zeke you could dominate in the running game considering this line and I understand the preference to address a back in later rounds since the line is solid.

As a prospect, Zeke is a complete back, not quite a Gurley talent wise but the player can catch, run and pass block right out of the gate.

 

[Risen Star]

So you rather have Adrian Peterson over Darell Revis is there prime? I wouldn't.

Yes. I don't know where you been but CB would be last on my priority list.

Not saying either of these are the aforementioned, but a great corner is far more impactful than a great running back in today's game. Unless of course your point is Ramsey isn't any good.

That is laughable. Go hang out with Winicki and get down with your sickness. You'll never out cover teams to a championship. The QB and WR know where they're going. The CB doesn't. He's reacting. When you react, you are a step slow. Any quality QB/WR combo will move the football at will on you if there isn't pressure.

So, yes, I'll take Peterson over Revis.

 

[Wolfpack]

It's a great pick if they aren't going to get QB. A defensive guy won't matter nearly as much. Heck, they might even win a game if Romo goes down again.

 

[tyke1doe]

Doesn't every team know this draft sucks at the top? Who's going to trade up with you?

I'm pretty sure he's being sarcastic. You must not have been reading Risen lately.

 

[Alexander]

What are Ramsey's holes?

That he could potentially be great at 2 positions and gives you flexibility?

Let's see here. One year at CB, in the ACC.

Passes he should intercept clang off his hands.

Has not mastered corner nor safety.

He's an athlete. He's a project.

You have to figure out what he is going to do.

Tell me what he is going to do other than what Byron Jones did last year.

Sell him to me. Been asking this about him and Myles Jack.

I never get answers.

Just hyperbole about how great they are.

But nobody can say how they would be great for this defense. This team.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

The offense will never get the ball because the defense will be on the field all the time unable to stop anyone.

If the defense can't stop anybody then the offense would get the ball back everytime the opponent scores (which would be many times since you say we can't stop them)unless they are recovering onside kicks after every score

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Let's see here. One year at CB, in the ACC.

Passes he should intercept clang off his hands.

Has not mastered corner nor safety.

He's an athlete. He's a project.

You have to figure out what he is going to do.

Tell me what he is going to do other than what Byron Jones did last year.

Sell him to me. Been asking this about him and Myles Jack.

I never get answers.

Just hyperbole about how great they are.

But nobody can say how they would be great for this defense. This team.

Wait so your questions evolve around he has to be coached and improve like most rookies and that he played in the ACC? Like Calvin Johnson did? Frank Gore? LeSean McCoy? Aaron Donald? Robert Quinn? I could go on all day.

I've also seen different scouts saying he could be elite at each position. That flexibility sounds great. And it's a position of need matched with the best defender in the draft.

What more do you want?

 

[Alexander]

Wait so your questions evolve around he has to be coached and improve like most rookies and that he played in the ACC? Like Calvin Johnson did? Frank Gore? LeSean McCoy? Aaron Donald? Robert Quinn? I could go on all day.

I've also seen different scouts saying he could be elite at each position. That flexibility sounds great. And it's a position of need matched with the best defender in the draft.

What more do you want?

I can tell by your focus on the ACC comment that you have not desire to respond to the crux of the post.

Good day.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Vikings made the playoffs with christian ponder, tavaris jackson etc. You're out of your mind

Check Revis' teams combined records and Peterson's. When did a rushing champ last win a Super Bowl?

All-pro 2015

Josh Norman, Carolina, 43; Patrick Peterson, Arizona, 26; Richard Sherman, Seattle, 13; Chris Harris Jr., Denver, 6; Marcus Peters, Kansas City, 6; Tyrann Mathieu, Arizona, 2; Malcolm Butler, New England, 2; Aqib Talib, Denver, 1; Darrelle Revis, N.Y. Jets, 1.


Rb's

Adrian Peterson, Minnesota, 50; Doug Martin, Tampa Bay, 37; Todd Gurley, St. Louis, 6; Devonta Freeman, Atlanta, 3; Jonathan Stewart, Carolina, 2.

Notice anything?

Not one losing team with a player on the all-pro corner back list.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Yep I'd rather have AP. A guy who will touch the ball 20 plus times a game. AP can simply take over a game any sunday. A great corner will be schemed away from and although he may be a huge headache for the opposing offense he can easily have his opportunities limited.

Keep playing in the 90's, I'll throw it 40 times and beat you by twenty.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Ill take AP all day and every day.

And you will lose. Like so many of AP's teams.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I can tell by your focus on the ACC comment that you have not desire to respond to the crux of the post.

Good day.

I don't think crux means what you think it does. Or else I don't think you understand your post as well as you think you do.

Most of your questions could be asked about the plurality of players drafted...every....single...year.

I won't entertain your strawman arguments.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Yes. I don't know where you been but CB would be last on my priority list.



That is laughable. Go hang out with Winicki and get down with your sickness. You'll never out cover teams to a championship. The QB and WR know where they're going. The CB doesn't. He's reacting. When you react, you are a step slow. Any quality QB/WR combo will move the football at will on you if there isn't pressure.

So, yes, I'll take Peterson over Revis.

Hmmm...so I take Bryant out of the game...who is Romo gonna beat me with Witten????
Running backs are about as useful as tight ends not named Gronk now. Three yards here, five yards there,,,,blah blah blah. Congrats on your three points, while I pass you to death. You need corners and a pass rush to stop a good offense, take a look at every top defense in the league.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Yes. I don't know where you been but CB would be last on my priority list.



That is laughable. Go hang out with Winicki and get down with your sickness. You'll never out cover teams to a championship. The QB and WR know where they're going. The CB doesn't. He's reacting. When you react, you are a step slow. Any quality QB/WR combo will move the football at will on you if there isn't pressure.

So, yes, I'll take Peterson over Revis.

Seattle won a championship thanks to their secondary.

I mean...just because you say things doesn't mean they are true.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Did I read some of you would take Revis>>AP??

Did we not watch our 2014 season when we had an elite run game and shouldve made the NFC Championship game when our corners were Brandon Carr, Orlando Scandrick and Sterling Moore


Let us have started Randle all season and Revis was our corner. We wouldnt have sniffed the playoffs

 

[Hardline]

And you will lose. Like so many of AP's teams.

AP wasn't the reason his teams lose.

 

[Gaede]

You mean Romo as QB and Dez as WR

We had Romo and Dez before and went 8-8 each year.

What was the one difference, in our Garrett offenses body of work, that occurred in the 2014 season?

We ran the ball. Murray went for 1800, OPOY, and we physically dominated teams. Simply having Romo and Dez didn't do crap for our offense until we put them in a better position to succeed by running

 

[Oh_Canada]

Did I read some of you would take Revis>>AP??

Did we not watch our 2014 season when we had an elite run game and shouldve made the NFC Championship game when our corners were Brandon Carr, Orlando Scandrick and Sterling Moore


Let us have started Randle all season and Revis was our corner. We wouldnt have sniffed the playoffs

Did you not see the 2015 Denver Broncos win a Super Bowl with the 17th ranked run game while having two all-pro corners Chris Harris Jr And Aquib Talib?

How about the 2014 Patriots who had the 18th ranked run game and 3.9 yds a carry, but had all-pro Darrelle Revis, Butler and a still effective Brandon Browner on the corners?

Goes both ways

Btw-Don't underestimate Scandrick's contributions last year, he had no pass rush and still graded out very well overall. Guy is a top twenty corner when healthy.

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[WillieBeamen]

Did you not see the 2015 Denver Broncos win a Super Bowl with the 17th ranked run game while having two all-pro corners Chris Harris Jr And Aquib Talib?

How about the 2014 Patriots who had the 18th ranked run game and 3.9 yds a carry, but had all-pro Darrelle Revis, Butler and a still effective Brandon Browner on the corners?

Goes both ways

Btw-Don't underestimate Scandrick's contributions last year, he had no pass rush and still graded out very well overall. Guy is a top twenty corner when healthy.

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Denver won because of its pass rush. Did you not see Von Miller and Ware constantly put pressure on Cam all game? How impactful was Josh Norman in helping the panthers win??

Yes the Patriots won with a poor run game, but didnt Seattle have the so called best secondary in the league? How did that help them when Brady went up and down the field all 4th Quarter?

Bottom line is, if you put those corners on this team, we are no better if we dont improve the pass rush.

 

[Risen Star]

Hmmm...so I take Bryant out of the game...who is Romo gonna beat me with Witten????
Running backs are about as useful as tight ends not named Gronk now. Three yards here, five yards there,,,,blah blah blah. Congrats on your three points, while I pass you to death. You need corners and a pass rush to stop a good offense, take a look at every top defense in the league.

CBs don't take quality WR's out of the game. You just think they do. You see the WR being a non factor and simplistically think it's the CB. The only shutdown CB I've ever seen in my life was Deion Sanders.

Any decent QB who is allowed time in the pocket will make plays to any WR against any CB. The CB can win here and there but not consistently enough to stop teams from putting up points. They are not impact players. They do not make their teammates better.

Adrian Peterson? He's an impact player.

Peterson over Revis all day.