RELEASED Nolan Carroll Released

[Stash]

I wasn't 'speaking for anyone other than myself.' I was referencing the obvious fact that people other than you and I were reading the threads in question.

Then do everybody a favor and don't try to speak for them.

 

[Idgit]

Then do everybody a favor and don't try to speak for them.

Referencing the fact that other posters exist is not the same thing as speaking for them. When I say 'you told us...[insert embarrassingly melodramatic overreaction here]' I'm referring to the fact that there's more than just myself in the thread.'

If I were to say 'do everybody a favor and don't try to speak for them...' I would be speaking for everybody.

Do all of you understand that distinction? I'm sure you all do, and agree that I'm right--and stash is wrong--again. Thanks, guys.

 

[Sydla]

They wanted him the season prior for the same reason they wanted him last year: he was their target in 2016 when they were getting Carr to accept his pay cut. Then they signed him this year when they didn't retain Carr again, as relatively affordable insurance for what they were going to do in the draft, where they ended up taking Awuzie, Lewis, Woods, and White.

As far as his play goes, I know you hated the guy from the outset, and I'm not going out on a limb for his play because he wasn't an adequate replacement for Carr from what I saw, either, but the guy played in a game and a half when it was said and done. He's been concussed for three weeks now, which is a long time to be out with a head injury. In the interim, Lewis has played really well, so it's pretty obvious why the move is getting made here over the bye week, and let's not pretend it's because the guy has been getting lit up here. He's not as good as the young players they've brought in, and he's had a serious injury in the mean time, so they're comfortable letting him go.

They've been signing 'garbage heap players' for years now. That's how they round out their roster while they find young guys to develop. They've done it since the 2011 season when they revamped the OL, and fans have complained about it ever since. They did the same thing with the DL brining in guys like Selvie and Mayowa. It is what it is. That's how they go about putting together their rosters. You don't have to like it, but don't pretend it's anything other than what it is.

The whole point of my posts are that I don't like it. They are doing a less than adequate job building a roster and using FA to help fill out a quality roster.

One playoff win in the last 8 years kind of proves that point.

 

[Stash]

Referencing the fact that other posters exist is not the same thing as speaking for them. When I say 'you told us...[insert embarrassingly melodramatic overreaction here]' I'm referring to the fact that there's more than just myself in the thread.'

If I were to say 'do everybody a favor and don't try to speak for them...' I would be speaking for everybody.

Do all of you understand that distinction? I'm sure you all do, and agree that I'm right--and stash is wrong--again. Thanks, guys.

Yeah, you should elicit outside opinions on the subject. Get a different perspective. You'll find that nobody asked for and nobody wants you speaking for them.

Nobody needs to hear from you about what they should consider a big deal or a small one. They, like me, have the right to decide that for themselves.

Don't use "us" when it about you. You're alone.

 

[Idgit]

The whole point of my posts are that I don't like it. They are doing a less than adequate job building a roster and using FA to help fill out a quality roster.

One playoff win in the last 8 years kind of proves that point.

Not arguing that one. They need to use every avenue to address the defensive personnel shortcomings. I generally like not spending big in FA, but there need to be exceptions when the right guy somehow hits he market.

 

[Nightman]

May or may not have been a bad signing.

LOL.

If you hand a guy a multi-year contract where you have a dead money hit in Year 2 and you cut him 5 games into the contract, that's a bad signing. You can't spread whipped cream on that pile of doggy dung.

1.1% of the cap this year and next .......... the horror

if he doesn't have offset language..... then we could get even more back

 

[Idgit]

Yeah, you should elicit outside opinions on the subject. Get a different perspective. You'll find that nobody asked for and nobody wants you speaking for them.

Nobody needs to hear from you about what they should consider a big deal or a small one. They, like me, have the right to decide that for themselves.

Don't use "us" when it about you. You're alone.

Not sure how else to make the distinction between referencing more than one person and actually speaking for them. It feels strange to by stymied by something so obvious, but I give up.

As far as your fantasy re: how our respective posts are generally received on the board goes, I think you've nailed it. A lot of people are probably sitting around right now thinking, "We never got over that one time Dez skipped an MRI appointment because he was scared he was seriously injured. I kinda wish that 30 page thread made it to 35 pages, instead. That seems like the right amount of angst for that off-season situation, no matter what Idgit had to say about it at the time!" Or, "I'm glad I decided for myself how important that was, because it was a huge deal!"

Not really. Most of them don't care. The ones that do probably agree in retrospect it actually was small potatoes. But who knows? I won't pretend to speak for those guys. They're perfectly capable of speaking for themselves.

In any event, we're officially far afield re: the merit of the Nolan Carroll bridge signing. I'm going to step away at this point, and try to get my head around the importance of it all. Have a great night.

 

[Stash]

Not sure how else to make the distinction between referencing more than one person and actually speaking for them. It feels strange to by stymied by something so obvious, but I give up.

As far as your fantasy re: how our respective posts are generally received on the board goes, I think you've nailed it. A lot of people are probably sitting around right now thinking, "We never got over that one time Dez skipped an MRI appointment because he was scared he was seriously injured. I kinda wish that 30 page thread made it to 35 pages, instead. That seems like the right amount of angst for that off-season situation, no matter what Idgit had to say about it at the time!" Or, "I'm glad I decided for myself how important that was, because it was a huge deal!"

Not really. Most of them don't care. The ones that do probably agree in retrospect it actually was small potatoes. But who knows? I won't pretend to speak for those guys. They're perfectly capable of speaking for themselves.

And yet, that's exactly what you're doing in your comments. But I guess the irony was lost on you.

You know what absolutely nobody is doing? Asking themselves "if Idgit thinks my opinion on this is appropriate." Or I wonder what he feels the appropriate level of response should be? Never have, never will. Never cared. And yet, to this day, you somehow think otherwise.

In any event, we're officially far afield re: the merit of the Nolan Carroll bridge signing. I'm going to step away at this point, and try to get my head around the importance of it all. Have a great night.

You have a great night as well. And remember this conversation, and your misguided use of the word "us" when speaking for yourself and no one else. And then maybe it will occur to you to practice it more regularly. By not trying to tell anyone else what is and isn't a "big deal" or not. Maybe just decide that for yourself the way a normal person does it.

And for the record, there is no "may or may not have been a dumb move" on this one. For the last time. Dropping $4 million down the drain for zero return is, was, and always will be a "dumb move".

 

[Stash]

1.1% of the cap this year and next .......... the horror

if he doesn't have offset language..... then we could get even more back

$4 million for absolutely nothing.

Put whatever percentages on it you'd like to in an effort to make it look less stupid and wasteful.

Any percentages you want to use will be more than the 0 return they got on their investment.

Keep on trying to polish that turd.

 

[Corso]

Gilligan's Island version of Revis is better than we have right now.

Yeah, but Bobby Denver was coked to the gills 7 out of 7 days... Gawd bless 'em. Probably Would ball out like Law Taylor, but...
Sure suspension though.

 

[xwalker]

Does this mean Jourdan starts? Hope so.

He already starts.

Scandrick was off the field in 2 CB set against the Packers.

 

[xwalker]

They had to decide to continue to overpay Carr and Claiborne or go young

They went young and signed Carroll as a band-aid but the young guys are ready to play

They invested this whole draft to D after spending a 1st on BJones and hitting a HR with ABrown

How many more starters do we need with ABrown, Scandrick, Lewis, Chito????

 

[Floatyworm]

Nolan Carroll has always been garbage. Not sure why they thought they could get anything out of him.

Hated this signing from day one....Should have resigned Claiborne.

 

[Redball Express]

we put ourselves in this position. its still a bit early IF we had a good vet. we dont have that in Carrol, he was never a good vet. Its better to play Lewis, i just wish we had someone who understood he ll be the back up and help Lewis throughout the season.

Cromartie is still out there..

as is Revis Island.

What about them.?

 

[xwalker]

There's a difference between "value" FAs and just signing trash. Carroll was trash. He was a bad CB that this team really thought was much better than he was, hence why they chased him two consecutive offseasons.

And no one said drafting and developing isn't effective. But it rarely wins out on its own. At some point, most of the recent SB winning teams have supplemented their drafted players with solid to very good FAs along the way. If the Cowboys think they can just simply draft a SB winning team and get by with just bottom of the barrel FAs like Carroll, it's not going to work.

Look at the Patriots last year - they added guys like Hogan, Sheard, Blount in FA and all were important players for them.

Broncos signed guys like Talib and Ware out of FA and were key players on their SB run.

Most SB teams will have key FA signings on them. Guys better than the Nolan Carrolls of the world.

He played well in game 1 against the Giants then couldn't tackle anyone in game 2 before the concussion.

 

[xwalker]

Hyde was a guy I was hoping we'd look at to replace Church.

Who are the free agent safeties next year?

You don't think Woods becomes a starter?

 

[xwalker]

"It may or may not have been dumb" means that the issue of of how dumb the signing might have been was not the point. It does not mean that "it was not a dumb signing."

Out of curiosity, though, since you're intent on being bothered by this one...is it worse than the Great Lucky Whitehead Release Debacle? Better? Or about the same? I need a better sense of how a RealistTM keeps such things in context. From where I'm sitting, I'd consider it 'about the same.'

Carroll had 1 half a bad play.

The release seems to be about more than performance.

 

[xwalker]

He was more than a bridge player. They tracked him like a dog in heat for two off seasons. They had wanted him even before the Great Cowboys Secondary Purge of 2017.

He wasn't a warm body place holder. He was a guy they thought could play. He couldn't. Any rational person knew that.

The Cowboys screwed up and once again we are left wondering if they have a clue what they are doing in FA. They've gone from wasting money on high priced vets to the far extreme position of signing garbage heap players.

They should have known ahead of time that he would get a concussion...

 

[xwalker]

Yeah, but Bobby Denver was coked to the gills 7 out of 7 days... Gawd bless 'em. Probably Would ball out like Law Taylor, but...
Sure suspension though.

I sat next to him on a plane once...

 

[Idgit]

I sat next to him on a plane once...

Was Wrong Way Feldman the pilot?