News: CW: Kiper's new Top 25 board infers Cowboys may be reaching if they draft defense at No. 10

blueblood70

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10 win teams worry about draft value, 6 win teams worry about getting to 10 wins.
we were a 6 win team with 3rd string players playing our season. Thats FACT lets be real here a healthy team we would have easily been 9 win team but who knows maybe 10 with our division..we played with backup roster most of the year,..its getting old labeling our team a 6 win team when most of our actual stars were on IR..
 

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10 win teams worry about draft value, 6 win teams worry about getting to 10 wins.

6 Win teams gets Taco Charleton's if they reach for a position of need. especially when same value at same position can be had later. That said I am ok with any of them at 10.Im also ok with a trade down and I miswrote earlier Pitts is probably worth the 10th pick.
 

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I would recommend you go take a look at Pitts for no other reason then it will be a enjoyable watch, special player.


If we draft Pitts, I might take a look. Otherwise, not interested in the least.

Why? Because if Pitts is even 1/4 as impressive as you seem to make him out to be, I will just be that much more depressed when he goes #2 overall behind Lawrence.

I find draft day much more enjoyable when I don't have to worry about being "right" about a player or not.
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Hey, let's just ignore the millions of dollars the Cowboys invest in scouting every year and draft off the Kiper board.
 

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Hey, let's just ignore the millions of dollars the Cowboys invest in scouting every year and draft off the Kiper board.
On the other hand: ESPN's other resident draft guru - Todd McShay - has in his 4th mock Surtain II being the first defensive player drafted....9th to the Broncos. McShay then has the Cowboys picking Horn at 10, with both OTs Sewell and Slater still on the board.
 

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On the other hand: ESPN's other resident draft guru - Todd McShay - has in his 4th mock Surtain II being the first defensive player drafted....9th to the Broncos. McShay then has the Cowboys picking Horn at 10, with both OTs Sewell and Slater still on the board.

Yep, not going to get too worked up over the opinion of one draft guru when plenty of others have Surtain as a top 10 selection.
 

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Yep, not going to get too worked up over the opinion of one draft guru when plenty of others have Surtain as a top 10 selection.
Agreed. As I commented earlier on this thread, out of eight mocks I viewed, Surtain was the overwhelming choice going to the Cowboys (7 out of 8).
 

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Not only are wins a QB stat, wins are the most important QB stat. Most important are wins in big games. There are a few exceptions when teams have a great defense like the Bears or the offense of the 90s super bowl Cowboys.

The QB touches the ball on every offensive play. The QB audibles, the QB progresses through his reads. The QB sets the tone early, score early and get the lead. The QB knows when to go hurry up and when to slow it down. The QB has to be clutch on 3rd down. The QB has to know when to take a sack, when to not risk a turnover. The QB has to know how to respond on offense when the defense is off. The QB processes input from the players in the huddle. Needs to know who is hot, who is not. The QB controls the game more than any other player.

QBs who do the above well will have winning records. QBs who consistently do the above are elite.

Dak is not elite. His most elite season was his rookie year when the team leaned on Elliott and the OL. Dak only drove the bus that year.

You mention one game, the Cleveland game. Care to look at the other 4 games? How about the last 4 years?

Wins are not a QB. Wins are used by pundits who do not watch games or just want to defend a player who is not playing well. Show a better football IQ then that. Being low football IQ is not really a good thing.

Wins are no more a QB stat then a RB stat or G stat or DT stat. They are a TEAM stat. The QB does not play for half the game and has nothing to do with half the game. He does not throw it and catch it. This is why there are better stats to analyze QBs. When Drew Brees was 7-9 he was not a worse QB than Alex Smith. Wins are often correlated with being a good QB, as QB is the most important position, but they are not a relevant QB stat anymore than tackles would be. You have TONS of good QB stats. You have the basic yards, completion %, TDs, INTs, INT %. Then you have the advanced metrics which can tell you even more. There is no need to use a stat that is effectively

Also if we want to talk the other games. In the first 4 games they scored: 17, 40, 31, 38 (also I believe 23 in the first half against Giants but I cant remember if Dallas scored again before he got hurt). They only won the game they scored 40 and if you need 40 to win you are not going to win much all. The league average is around 25-27 points, but somehow the Dallas Cowboys have not won a game where they did not score 30 since 2018. That is insane when you compare it to the rest of the league. For the good teams they are able to pull out the occasional 17-9 win because there are weeks that are going to be defensive struggles.

Focusing on the first 4 (also easy to do math) Dak had 9TDs 3 INTs, and INT % of around 1.8% (lower than league average though its lower than this), 1600+ yards, with an 8.4 yard average completion. This is despite numerous injuries to the OLine that created a lot of problems.
 

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Most big boards have mostly offensive players in the top 10. It's not a controversial take at all.
 

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I'm for this as long as Pitts isn't there. You draft a generational talent if you can, especially when NY and/or Philly will scoop him up if you don't.

That's about where I am too. Probably Sewell as well for me. Not as much a generational talent, but a pro bowl LT is position value, and extra value when they drop.
 

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what if a special offensive player is there like this pitts guy or a OL?
I agree, get a special player or trade back, but I would not limit it to defense, take the great player if there, O or D.

Pitts or Sewell. Sewell isn't as much a generational talent, but another Tyron level talent. Don't pass on that at LT, even if it's not a good fit for our needs right now.
 

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I would recommend you go take a look at Pitts for no other reason then it will be a enjoyable watch, special player.



odd hes enjoyable to watch but the OL and QB making it possible for him to be successful, well id say Trask needs to go 1st round because he basically made pitts top 5 prospect. Hes not catching it if the qb isnt getting it near his catch zone. Just saying..Trask was a high prospect last year and early this season and the media stopped talking about him..wonder where he falls.to NE? that my bet and NE might get steal, a stoic old school pocket qb not unlike TB12..

on side note if im Pitts im asking to be a WR in the NFL , more money and hes about the size of some the star wrs like Megatron who was 6-5 236 and ran 4.35 he wasn't a TE but could also catch it on 3 guys, nearly uncoverable and now in the HOF..
Pitts will have to live up to that with all this hype..
 

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People pretending that 5-10 spots in the NFL draft matter are the same folks who never understood the concept of a standard error. The standard error of a draft ranking is on the order of a round (i.e about 25 spots). And for some players, such an error is on the order of rounds. Kris Jenkins, back in the day. Maryland guy. Came on strong his last season in college. Was insanely nimble in his Senior Bowl, crushed the combine stats. But some folks had him as a first rounder, others as a second, and Russ Lande had him as a 7th rounder because Russ thought he was stupid.

Ranking are not rocket science, they aren't particularly accurate, and this OP headline is just bait.

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odd hes enjoyable to watch but the OL and QB making it possible for him to be successful, well id say Trask needs to go 1st round because he basically made pitts top 5 prospect. Hes not catching it if the qb isnt getting it near his catch zone. Just saying..Trask was a high prospect last year and early this season and the media stopped talking about him..wonder where he falls.to NE? that my bet and NE might get steal, a stoic old school pocket qb not unlike TB12..

on side note if im Pitts im asking to be a WR in the NFL , more money and hes about the size of some the star wrs like Megatron who was 6-5 236 and ran 4.35 he wasn't a TE but could also catch it on 3 guys, nearly uncoverable and now in the HOF..
Pitts will have to live up to that with all this hype..
I watched that , and he looks like a wr to me. good hands.
Trask was impressive, his throws were pretty good.
 
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