Undisputed- Stephen Jones says Dak Prescott's deal will have to be team friendly

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The Cowboys are all-in on Dak being the franchise QB going forward. There is no other viable QB waiting in the wings (Rush and White included) and no one in a position of power has even remotely hinted there is a Plan B that doesn’t include Dak.

Stephen Jones has publicly stated more than once that they want Dak extended before the 2019 season, so a deal agreeable to both parties is gonna get done and fairly soon.

Much like the recent D-Law negotiations, which produced much angst here but ended up with both sides being satisfied, Dak’s gonna get paid market-value — with a healthy bonus, per-year salary and guarantee. Some of us will like the numbers, some won’t, but it’s gonna happen.
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If they can get a good team friendly deal done, then I am all for doing a deal early but honestly, I see this as a situations where the Cowboys probably are able to do a team friendly deal, assuming this is possible, for only about 3 years, maybe 2. I think that's probably the best possible duration. After that, I think Dak and his agent come back to the well. I don't see them signing a "Team Friendly Deal" for a long period of time because at some point, they are going to want to get paid and I do get that. So, if you want a Team Friendly Deal, say 20 to 22, then I think you accept that it's short term, if at all. If you want him signed for longer, say 5 to 6 years, then I think you are looking at 25 or more.

The key here is to see if Dak can develop into the kind of QB who can carry a team to a championship, a QB who is eventually good enough to be that kind of QB, or is he always going to be a deal where he needs a lot of help around him? Now, two things here, that I believe are tantamount to understand my point of view. First, I don't believe that any QB can consistently be a one man show so I don't really buy into that line of thought. I do acknowledge that others do believe that this can happen. Secondly, I believe that there are two types of posters around this issue. One is the poster who is focused on winning and sees this as a question of trying to fit salary around cap and what will be necessary to fill out the roster with the type of players who are necessary to win championships. The other is the poster who falls more along the lines of paying players what they believe they deserve or what trends dictate. Not saying these posters don't want to win a championship but there focus is not really about that and more so about paying the players what they feel they deserve. I fall into the later.

I personally don't believe that there is a team out there who is going to pay Dak 150 Mil with 100 Guaranteed in the first 4 years or so but there might be. If that team exists, then will they also cough up two 1st's because I believe that is what it will take. JMO

Sorry, I should have said that I fall into the later as I don't believe in paying players whatever public opinion deserves. I'm more along the lines of fitting the cap to the necessary talent.
 

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If they can get a good team friendly deal done, then I am all for doing a deal early but honestly, I see this as a situations where the Cowboys probably are able to do a team friendly deal, assuming this is possible, for only about 3 years, maybe 2. I think that's probably the best possible duration. After that, I think Dak and his agent come back to the well. I don't see them signing a "Team Friendly Deal" for a long period of time because at some point, they are going to want to get paid and I do get that. So, if you want a Team Friendly Deal, say 20 to 22, then I think you accept that it's short term, if at all. If you want him signed for longer, say 5 to 6 years, then I think you are looking at 25 or more.

The key here is to see if Dak can develop into the kind of QB who can carry a team to a championship, a QB who is eventually good enough to be that kind of QB, or is he always going to be a deal where he needs a lot of help around him? Now, two things here, that I believe are tantamount to understand my point of view. First, I don't believe that any QB can consistently be a one man show so I don't really buy into that line of thought. I do acknowledge that others do believe that this can happen. Secondly, I believe that there are two types of posters around this issue. One is the poster who is focused on winning and sees this as a question of trying to fit salary around cap and what will be necessary to fill out the roster with the type of players who are necessary to win championships. The other is the poster who falls more along the lines of paying players what they believe they deserve or what trends dictate. Not saying these posters don't want to win a championship but there focus is not really about that and more so about paying the players what they feel they deserve. I fall into the later.

I personally don't believe that there is a team out there who is going to pay Dak 150 Mil with 100 Guaranteed in the first 4 years or so but there might be. If that team exists, then will they also cough up two 1st's because I believe that is what it will take. JMO

As an employer I fit into the former and our work force fluctuates by season. I have a budget for wages and small yearly increases. I tend to pay my longest tenured employees more because of the yearly increase and being here the longest (reliability factor). They all start on the same pay scale and work their way up. I don't care what the neighbour pays or the trend in the industry. In fact the trends aren't significantly different. We do treat our employees well at certain times of the year. Cold beer is a must after a long week of work. Not much different, we just don't have the NFL setting the wages. My take as an employer
 

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That’s crap. Teams make a way. Every time we are over the cap they move money and make it happen.

Why do you say this. I mean, it's really only been in the recent history that we have been able to manage our cap. Before that, we were completely inept over the situation and were saddled with years of crappy teams, poor talent and no way to save ourselves, except to ride it out for ten years. Do you not remember that?
 

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And he knows it.

He knows what he has said about DAK.

Again..it's just point/counterpoint shtick.

These guys are like we are in the Forum.

Back and forth, even betting Mountain Dews on outcomes.

It's hysterical.

If you do not see the similarities to own debates..

you ain't posting anything worthy of debate.

:huh:

Only difference is these talking heads, and Sharpes' is a big one, are paid to debate we aren't . Fortunately we aren't told what side of the debate to take every single day and we're pretty consistent. Heck, who doesn't like a good debate :). Besides, I have to take it out on you guys because the wifey doesn't like my constant debate:laugh:. She be like "you want to debate everything", I be like "no I don't"
 

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If Dak takes a team friendly deal I'll choke on my cheap whiskey. His team friendly deal was his rookie contract.

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Complete BS! He was drafted where he was drafted. There was a reason he fell that far in the draft and he received what that spot pays. He should be thankful that 2 QB's ahead of him got hurt and it gave him a chance to start because nobody was looking at him as a starter. And becoming a starter for America's Team, I'm sure all the money he is making off endorsements isnt hurting.

The reason everyone is saying he needs to do a team friendly deal is because most experts & fans know he needs help around him to be successful. His best chance to succeed is take less money and have a solid team. Lord knows he cannot carry a team with his weak field vision & accuracy issues.

I wish the guy the best of luck cause I know we are going to pay him but lets not pretend he is an elite QB.
 

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Why do you say this. I mean, it's really only been in the recent history that we have been able to manage our cap. Before that, we were completely inept over the situation and were saddled with years of crappy teams, poor talent and no way to save ourselves, except to ride it out for ten years. Do you not remember that?
I remember it. But tell me this....in that era....how many players on our team could we not re-sign because of money?
 

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A lot. Look back at the rosters.
Who are you referencing? Help me understand. The only one that can potentially come to mine is Demarco and they didn’t want to overpay for him. I don’t recall the Cowboys having a guy in their team they couldn’t re-sign because of money no matter how bad the cap was.
 

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LMAO at his statement. 21M or 11.2% of the cap is being fair? What a tool. He's a merc and all about himself and let's see if he can keep from disappearing in crunch time this season, he's been a no show when needed his entire career.
 
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Who are you referencing? Help me understand. The only one that can potentially come to mine is Demarco and they didn’t want to overpay for him. I don’t recall the Cowboys having a guy in their team they couldn’t re-sign because of money no matter how bad the cap was.


No, that's not pain. Pain was what happened during the Campo days. That's what mismanagement of cap looked like. That was really bad. Murray was a conscious decision to right the ship, so to speak.
 

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Why do you say that Dak's Rookie deal was a team friendly contract?.

I think what you will see is the Cowboys tagging Dak if he is unwilling to sign. If a team wants him and is willing to sign him, then pay him and give up the picks. I don't see that myself but that could be the case for sure.

It would be ridiculous to FT Dak. Transition tagging him would be better since there aren't a lot of teams in the market for a starting QB, and Dak isn't elite. All Dallas would have to do is match the offer.
 

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Better than Stafford? Sorry, no dice. I like that the Cowboys brass are posturing in the cheaper direction but at the same time, if Dak does leave for another team, finding another decent QB ain’t gonna be easy.

I never said he was better than Stafford, Sharpe did. My point was, how can you be top 15 QB and better than Stafford? Stafford is not bottom 15.
 

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Why do you think Dak won’t take a team friendly deal like DLaw did?

I don't think he'll take a team friendly deal like Skip mentioned. I think it was 6 years 100M? Not likely to happen.
 

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Complete BS! He was drafted where he was drafted. There was a reason he fell that far in the draft and he received what that spot pays. He should be thankful that 2 QB's ahead of him got hurt and it gave him a chance to start because nobody was looking at him as a starter. And becoming a starter for America's Team, I'm sure all the money he is making off endorsements isnt hurting.

The reason everyone is saying he needs to do a team friendly deal is because most experts & fans know he needs help around him to be successful. His best chance to succeed is take less money and have a solid team. Lord knows he cannot carry a team with his weak field vision & accuracy issues.

I wish the guy the best of luck cause I know we are going to pay him but lets not pretend he is an elite QB.

I don't think he is anywhere near an elite QB. But as a 4th round pick that is team friendly. All 4th round picks are team friendly. All the better if they are a big part of the team. I personally don't think he's worth 20M a year, but what I think means nothing. He is not obligated to be thankful about anything. If a team is willing to pay him more then that's what he's worth. You either pay him or let him go.
 

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It would be ridiculous to FT Dak. Transition tagging him would be better since there aren't a lot of teams in the market for a starting QB, and Dak isn't elite. All Dallas would have to do is match the offer.

Why would we do that? The offer could be one that is way above what we want to pay. The idea is to sign him to a deal that fits the cap, if you are the team. If that can't happen, then you want maximum return on investment. Teams will drive a price up on you if you go that way. No, that's not the way to do it IMO but whatever, we disagree.
 

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No, that's not pain. Pain was what happened during the Campo days. That's what mismanagement of cap looked like. That was really bad. Murray was a conscious decision to right the ship, so to speak.
So they haven’t lost anyone due to free agency so yeah I’m not concerned with the cap until they start losing guys they should retain.
 
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