A message for Wade Phillips

[Chocolate Lab]

But I do agree with you to a point Slate. It may be that some of these guys are just not good enought to play in the NFL. But at some point, I'd like to see Wade and his coaching staff develop an UFA or a mid/lower round draft pick for some quality depth, especially on the D.

How about a starter? Like a Pro Bowl nosetackle?

 

[Dodger12]

How about a starter? Like a Pro Bowl nosetackle?

And he was identified and developed by Wade's staff?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

He'd never started a game in his life until Wade, had he?

Do you think he'd have been a Pro Bowl nosetackle in Parcells' two-gap scheme?

 

[Dodger12]

He'd never started a game in his life until Wade, had he?

Do you think he'd have been a Pro Bowl nosetackle in Parcells' two-gap scheme?

He started a game in 2005 and was an integral part of the DL rotation before Wade got here. I don't think he's your best example.

 

[theogt]

He'd never started a game in his life until Wade, had he?

Do you think he'd have been a Pro Bowl nosetackle in Parcells' two-gap scheme?

Bradie James would have probably had his career cut short if he'd continued in Parcells' scheme.

Now he's a Pro Bowl quality player as well. Ratliff would never have even sniffed the starting NT job with Parcells here.

 

[bbgun]

Landry spent alot of time with Staubach becuase Landry was calling the plays.

So, unlike Wade, he decided to learn the offensive side of the ball instead of passing those duties off like an unwanted Xmas fruitcake.

And Aikman actually never spent much time with Jimmy on the sidelines conferring about anything. You'd see Jimmy offer congrats and etc etc when he'd come off the field, but I rarely recall any instance of Jimmy "coaching" Troy on the sidelines.

Between plays they sure as hell did. And they certainly had a relationship off the field.

Tony can go straight to Garrett because Garrett coaches from the sidelines. Norv coached from the box and used the phones on the sidelines to talk with Troy.

That's a technicality. Troy only talked to Norv between possessions. When the drive was in progress, it was all Jimmy.

The same thing happens with Brady, Manning, Palmer etc etc...go watch them, they rarrely spend time with the HC during a game.

Again, it's not just gameday. I don't think Troy and Wade have any kind of relationship, personal or professional.

 

[theogt]

Romo and Wade never confer on the sidelines?

Since when?

 

[dbair1967]

So, unlike Wade, he decided to learn the offensive side of the ball instead of passing those duties off like an unwanted Xmas fruitcake.

Some people are better at things than others. Landry was a genius when it came to football and became a tremendous offensive mind.

Between plays they sure as hell did. And they certainly had a relationship off the field.

Like I said, I dont recall hardly any of that.

That's a technicality. Troy only talked to Norv between possessions. When the drive was in progress, it was all Jimmy.

Jimmy had very little to do with offensive play calling and has said so publicly. He might suggest something (ie, like when Norv asked for his input about that playcall that ended up being the slant to Harper in the 92 championship game)

Again, it's not just gameday. I don't think Troy and Wade have any kind of relationship, personal or professional.

They might not, have no idea. Ultimately it doesnt matter as long as they win. If they dont win this yr, obviously someone else will get a chance as HC.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

He started a game in 2005 and was an integral part of the DL rotation before Wade got here. I don't think he's your best example.

LOL, so one game. What was that, in the nickel? Because that's what he was -- a nickel rusher on the four-man line. Not a regular in the base defense.

And he goes from that to a Pro Bowler.

But I notice you never answered my question... Wonder why?

(BTW, Theo's Bradie answer is another good one.)

And what players would even be candidates for your scenario? Probably just Brown and Ball. I guess Erik Walden, who is still with the Dolphins and their almighty braintrust. And Ball looks like a solid backup utility DB. Unless you're expecting guys drafted just a few months ago to already meet your criteria.

 

[dbair1967]

He started a game in 2005 and was an integral part of the DL rotation before Wade got here. I don't think he's your best example.

I dont think you can argue that most, if not all the guys are better now than they were with Parcells and Zimmer. Wade is a better defensive coach than either of them and does use players to their strengths better than they did.

Like CL said, its HIGHLY UNLIKELY that someone like Ratliff would be a probowl/elite NT in Parcells' scheme. Ware and James are both better players. Spears looked better to me the last two yrs (in spite of the hate he got from alot of people here)...Canty was better in Wade's scheme.

 

[Dodger12]

Bradie James would have probably had his career cut short if he'd continued in Parcells' scheme.

Now he's a Pro Bowl quality player as well. Ratliff would never have even sniffed the starting NT job with Parcells here.

Speculate much?

 

[bbgun]

Romo and Wade never confer on the sidelines?

Since when?

"Almost" never. With Red on the sideline, he doesn't feel compelled to.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

BTW, the way this thread has developed just proves what others said, that this is a pure agenda thread. It's gone from complaints that a bunch of third-team rookies look sloppy in the first preseason game of their lives (whodathunk that), to Wade not being able to "fire up the troops" (which is on its face hilarious for the first preseason game of the year), to him not being able to develop defensive talent.

Let's see, where else can we go?

If our first teams had gotten worked, maybe there'd be a point to be made. But they didn't. And complaining about a bunch of rookies being lost in Preseason Game One is just silly.

And BTW, when did Troy talk to Jimmy during drives? During timeouts?

 

[dbair1967]

"Almost" never. With Red on the sideline, he doesn't feel compelled to.

Go watch some other teams BB. Manning hardly ever chatted with Dungy. You dont see Brady spending alot of time with Belichick. Palmer doesnt spend time with Lewis. They spend the majority of their sideline time with their offensive coach, whether it be a coordinator or QB coach.

On the other hand, teams where the HC's called the plays or did most of the gameplans you do see that. Guys like Holmgren or Shanahan with their QB's.

 

[theogt]

"Almost" never. With Red on the sideline, he doesn't feel compelled to.

Doesn't feel compelled to? What the hell does that even mean? Hey, man, I can't tell what he's feeling on the sideline, but if you can pretend to, I'll take your word for it.

I haven't noticed him talk to Wade any less than he did Parcells, but I can see how there would be a different relationship there given that Romo spent his entire career up to becoming a starter under Parcells.

I certainly wouldn't say his relationship with Garrett appears any better than Wade, though, since they apparently had to "clear the air" this offseason, from what I can tell due to the notion that Romo cost Garrett an HC job when he threw Garrett's scheme under the bus.

 

[bbgun]

Go watch some other teams BB. Manning hardly ever chatted with Dungy. You dont see Brady spending alot of time with Belichick. Palmer doesnt spend time with Lewis. They spend the majority of their sideline time with their offensive coach, whether it be a coordinator or QB coach.

On the other hand, teams where the HC's called the plays or did most of the gameplans you do see that. Guys like Holmgren or Shanahan with their QB's.

Last December in Pittsburgh, when it was do-or-die late in the 4th quarter, Wade was nowhere near Tony before that last crucial play.

If you're gonna be the head coach, isn't that the time to impart some pearls of wisdom? If not, then when? Never? And I gotta believe that Dungy and Belichick get in their QBs faces when they make a particularly bad mistake, like a boneheaded interception. Did Wade jump Tony for that turd of a pick right before the half in the Baltimore game? No, Tony meekly walked to the bench, unscathed. Landry, Jimmy and Tuna were never that indifferent to the other side of the ball, with good reason.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't remember seeing Dungy or Belichick chew out Manning or Brady, ever.

There's no doubt that Wade's primary focus is defense, but what's wrong with that? As we've been over a billion times, isn't that why we have the highest-paid offensive coordinator in the world?

And how much say do you think Andy Reid had over his defense when Jim Johnson was running it?

 

[BAT]

"You're fat" would have been a much more economical use of words.

 

[Dodger12]

LOL, so one game. What was that, in the nickel? Because that's what he was -- a nickel rusher on the four-man line. Not a regular in the base defense.

And he goes from that to a Pro Bowler.

But I notice you never answered my question... Wonder why?

(BTW, Theo's Bradie answer is another good one.)

And what players would even be candidates for your scenario? Probably just Brown and Ball. I guess Erik Walden, who is still with the Dolphins and their almighty braintrust. And Ball looks like a solid backup utility DB. Unless you're expecting guys drafted just a few months ago to already meet your criteria.

What question did I not answer? I responded directly to your question.

My statement was made in response to a poster who stated that maybe our back-ups just aren't good enough and I'll buy that to a certain point. I'm not looking for world beaters from lower round picks and UFA. Maybe to you, a nickel rusher on a four man line for a rookie isn't good enough but, to me, it's exactly what I'm talking about; developing quality depth. You and Theo can point to Ratliff and James all you want but you're only proving my point.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

What question did I not answer? I responded directly to your question.

This...

Do you think he'd have been a Pro Bowl nosetackle in Parcells' two-gap scheme?

But okay, how about Scandrick? Let's hear why he doesn't qualify as a "UFA mid/lower round draft pick for some quality depth, especially on the D".