A Touch of Hostility... Week 7

[Hostile]

I know half of the fun of your hostility posts is making fun of those that guessed wrong, but when in the world did anyone beg for Bruce Read to come back? :laugh2:

I think most people were ready to take torches and pitchforks to Read.

Dude, I kid you not. Someone actually said that.

 

[Hostile]

No one is denying (not even Hostile) that Roy needs to produce better.

Problem is, there's a variety of factors that are going on as to why Roy hasn't produced elite numbers, like many want.

1. the run game. This game, it wasn't there. But for the most part, so far.... we've been running the ball at will. Many here wanted that... so in doing so, you've got to expect stats (in the passing game) to drop when you run the ball as effectively as we have.

2. Romo was off for some games. That will affect Roy's stats.

3. Roy's missed some opportunities. Those are on him.

4. Austin has exploded the past 2 weeks. Would you go away from Austin to throw to Roy? Not with the way Austin has played the past 2 weeks.


Yes, when Roy gets his opportunities; he needs to capitalize. But there have been times where Romo hasn't made a good throw (this game, for example), that hasn't allowed Roy too.

There is plenty of blame to go around. Clearly, Romo is more comfortable with throwing to Witten and Austin. And I don't think I'd blame Romo for feeling that way. As stated before, Austin is exploding right now.... throw it to him. And let's be honest, Witten is a better player than Williams, so why wouldn't Romo look to Witten before Williams?

Personally, I blame the run game. If only it sucked more, then we could get Roy the stats....

Great post and thank you for acknowledging that above.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

He and Romo were off. No doubt about it. I wasn't too concerned about it. Not shocked that you guys were though. Par.

I don't know why but it didn't post Bob's post. I meant for it to say this to all 3. Not just Larry and Moe.

Cant sleep on Roy. Once they click it will be ON..
I have no doubt.

I wonder were the "Dallas won't have any big plays now that TO is gone" comments are.

Hey, I was the biggest TO supporter and I can honestly tell you I am totally pumped about Miles. A great, great project showing fruit.

How about that Crayton? I knew he'd get motivated. As Witten said, we need all those guys.

Agreed. We have so many contributors. He is one. Stay slot my man.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

it's everyone's fault but Roy's, I guess

 

[TheCount]

Dude, I kid you not. Someone actually said that.

Really? Well I hope you gave him hell.

 

[hutch1254]

You know what Hutch, the players on this team have been saying that. Even if you don't want to listen to the GM or the coaches, why would the fans not listen to the players? I don't get that. They are not giving up and there is a reason for that.

Please don't say that is true of all teams. Look at the Commanders. Is Clinton Portis speaking the same language as the Cowboys players are? I don't think anyone can look me in the eye and say that and pass a lie detector test.

I get it that people need to vent. I would just like to see venting without hyperbole attached.

I hear you.
Definitely not seeing it in the Commanders...you have guys like Deangelo Hall saying things like they're a step away from disaster and so on. That's a band of people who are distinctly a part from each other right now. How would you like to come to work every day knowing there is no plan in place and no one steering the ship? That's definitely not happening in Dallas. We're growing and moving forward. Hopefully it all peaks at the right time.

 

[Hostile]

I hear you.
Definitely not seeing it in the Commanders...you have guys like Deangelo Hall saying things like they're a step away from disaster and so on. That's a band of people who are distinctly a part from each other right now. How would you like to come to work every day knowing there is no plan in place and no one steering the ship? That's definitely not happening in Dallas. We're growing and moving forward. Hopefully it all peaks at the right time.

Exactly, so it's not just the Cowboys players saying all the right things. This team really is together.

 

[skinsscalper]

I don't think it's wise to over react to a bad day by any player. Just a few weeks ago our secondary was the worst coverage unit in the NFL. Do you think the Falcons would agree if you asked them tomorrow?

Look, Roy has to produce. No one saying that is wrong. I just think when a guy becomes a whipping boy for the fans that it gets ridiculous. I tend to defend those players. As evidence see Tony Romo just 2 weeks ago. I defended him every thread.

There are people making all kinds of issues about my comments on Roy blocking. I'll throw this out there as a challenge to these guys or anyone else. I got a thousand dollars that says I can show posts where I praised TO and Keyshawn for their blocking downfield. In other words, I have consistently praised that ability in our WRs who do it well. I have 4 detractors in this thread. $250 bucks apiece if they will take the bet.

You know they won't. That would show nads and be honest. That isn't par for the course.

The difference is Keyshawn and TO have never been the whipping boys that fans go after relentlessly. The thing I have not learned after all these years is that when the parrots want to squawk let them squawk. They don't say anything worth listening to anyway. I can't help myself. I defend the players at almost every turn. That's my fault.

I enjoy your posts, Hos, and respect your knowledge of the game, but the bolded part of the above thread is absolute jibberish.

Both were whipping boys (around here and other boards) for one reason or another.

Roy Williams has underachieved since coming to Dallas. That is absolutely irrefutable. It doesn't matter what the circumstances are (injury, lack of chemistry, whatever). The reason Williams has become a whipping boy is that we gave up FAR TOO much for the services of a guy whose production (thus far) could have been matched (or surpassed) by Sam Hurd. A guy we DIDN'T have to give up any picks for OR a 45 million dollar contract. So Roy Williams is a great blocker in the running game. OK, I can give you that because I agree. So far 45 million is too much to pay a blocker. That's not to say that Williams and Romo will never sync. It doesn't mean that Williams won't be who we thought/hoped we were getting, eventually. But, for the mean-time, Williams has been a MAJOR disappointment. I don't know if it's stubbornness in the face of a couple of posters who rubbed you the wrong way, or what, but for a guy with your football wit and knowledge to staunchly defend a player that, thus far, simply hasn't been worth the price that's been paid is just...............wierd.

As far as the "I don't care if he makes 45 dollars or 45 million, I don't care" line. That's just insane. Just being happy with a guy that's "honored to be here" gets you a team full of underachievers. If that truly is your philosophy, then let me know when you are hiring. I'll need $85.00 an hour. Don't get me wrong, I won't be worth it but, I'll be honored to be there and collect my paycheck. See what I mean? It's insanity.

I honestly hope that Roy turns everything on it's head and becomes the monster WR that he looked like he'd be coming out of college. I remember just dreaming that we could have BOTH R. Williams on the Cowboys (knowing damn well it wouldn't happen because of Roy's college numbers and our draft position). Call it hedging or whatever you choose to call it but, I would love for Roy to be THAT GUY. Thus far he hasn't been close.

Like I said previously, I enjoy your posts and respect your knowledge of the game. Which is why your stance is so puzzling to me.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I enjoy your posts, Hos, and respect your knowledge of the game, but the bolded part of the above thread is absolute jibberish.

Both were whipping boys (around here and other boards) for one reason or another.

Roy Williams has underachieved since coming to Dallas. That is absolutely irrefutable. It doesn't matter what the circumstances are (injury, lack of chemistry, whatever). The reason Williams has become a whipping boy is that we gave up FAR TOO much for the services of a guy whose production (thus far) could have been matched (or surpassed) by Sam Hurd. A guy we DIDN'T have to give up any picks for OR a 45 million dollar contract. So Roy Williams is a great blocker in the running game. OK, I can give you that because I agree. So far 45 million is too much to pay a blocker. That's not to say that Williams and Romo will never sync. It doesn't mean that Williams won't be who we thought/hoped we were getting, eventually. But, for the mean-time, Williams has been a MAJOR disappointment. I don't know if it's stubbornness in the face of a couple of posters who rubbed you the wrong way, or what, but for a guy with your football wit and knowledge to staunchly defend a player that, thus far, simply hasn't been worth the price that's been paid is just...............wierd.

As far as the "I don't care if he makes 45 dollars or 45 million, I don't care" line. That's just insane. Just being happy with a guy that's "honored to be here" gets you a team full of underachievers. If that truly is your philosophy, then let me know when you are hiring. I'll need $85.00 an hour. Don't get me wrong, I won't be worth it but, I'll be honored to be there and collect my paycheck. See what I mean? It's insanity.

I honestly hope that Roy turns everything on it's head and becomes the monster WR that he looked like he'd be coming out of college. I remember just dreaming that we could have BOTH R. Williams on the Cowboys (knowing damn well it wouldn't happen because of Roy's college numbers and our draft position). Call it hedging or whatever you choose to call it but, I would love for Roy to be THAT GUY. Thus far he hasn't been close.

Like I said previously, I enjoy your posts and respect your knowledge of the game. Which is why your stance is so puzzling to me.

 

[Hostile]

I enjoy your posts, Hos, and respect your knowledge of the game, but the bolded part of the above thread is absolute jibberish.

Both were whipping boys (around here and other boards) for one reason or another.

I don't agree. They were disliked, but that is not the same thing as a whipping boy.

 

[skinsscalper]

I don't agree. They were disliked, but that is not the same thing as a whipping boy.

Come on, Hos. T.O. was a MAJOR whipping boy around here. Especially last season. Every dropped pass was magnified. Every word of every press conference pored over. If any player (sans Romo) on this team had undergone the scrutiny of the fans and media like T.O. did, they would fold like a cheap suit. Thus far, Williams has had it EASY in comparison.

 

[Hostile]

Come on, Hos. T.O. was a MAJOR whipping boy around here. Especially last season. Every dropped pass was magnified. Every word of every press conference pored over. If any player (sans Romo) on this team had undergone the scrutiny of the fans and media like T.O. did, they would fold like a cheap suit. Thus far, Williams has had it EASY in comparison.

I'll agree to disagree. TO was a circus. Not a whipping boy.

 

[stilltheguru]

So people still haven't caught onto the Hos character yet.lol

 

[FCBarca]

Yeah, some good stuff...Yeah, the penalties really were killing me again but the D really helped erase a lot of it.

Jenkins looked very sharp (With the exception of that helmet to helmet)...High & Tight finally seemed to be a part of the passing offense...Good to see Felix in da mix again (Fumbler though?)...Crayton comes up big FINALLY on a return...How often do we see him go sideways or hesitate for too long instead of going up the field and gaining some momentum?

Many of the zoners know Miles Austin has long had the 'potential' to be a contributing receiver but he's been as brittle as can be...Here's hoping he stays healthy and continues to carve up defenses.

Romo played well, very well...I think I saw him maybe force one throw and it actually turned into a big play (To Austin)...The scrambles were terrific although I think one of those two sacks were a bad decision by Tony.

Having a LB like Brooking to 'lead' the D has been a thing many fans have been hoping for for years.

Roy, another stinker of a game.

Matt Ryan has a helluva release and spiral, eh?

 

[AdamJT13]

Wow Hos. Not one mention of your favorite downfield blocker. Stellar...

No mention of Folk or Buehler, either.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Great win.

Pathetic showing by Roy Williams yet again.

 

[stilltheguru]

Great win.

Pathetic showing by Roy Williams yet again.

You seem shocked buddy.

 

[CliffnDallas]

Well, we're 4-2 and beat a very good Falcons team. Stealing a line from Bill Parcells, "put away the anointing oil." Just as I don't want to get too low on losses, I don't want to get too high on wins. Not even one that fits the bill of a dominating win over a good team. There are 10 games left and a lot of work to be done.

I will never like the Prevent Defense. I know the last score was a garbage score and in reality was just fluff. I still do not like it and I have to tell you, I hate our version of the Prevent Defense more than any other version I have ever seen. It worked. I don't deny that. It often does. I hate it because it opens doors for the unlikely to happen. We lost the time of possession stat for this game largely in part to 2 things. We scored fast, the running game struggled, and our Prevent Defense sustains offensive drives.

Overall, this Defense came to play today with the exception of the the drives to start each half and the Prevent. Matt Ryan got harassed and pounded on all day. How about the lumber the DBs brought today? Mike Jenkins has elevated his worth to this team. He went from being a bust to our best DB according to some posts I have read. My how the pendulum swings.

Nothing really wrong with the swinging pendulum. I often say we all are neurotic. Screaming at the TV and throwing hissy fits.

Speaking of screaming at the TV, once again stupid penalties could have been crucial. In fact, I lauded the Falcons for their drive to start the 2nd half. In truth another silly penalty kept that drive alive. Has to be fixed. Good win, still has to be fixed.

One thing is obvious to me this year. "Romo Friendly" means this team will live and die with how well he plays. When he is on, we are in the game, no doubt. When he is off, we will struggle. To his credit, we have been in every game this year. I agree with Troy Aikman's commentary during the game. I do not understand the vitriol directed at Romo. I never have. I don't want to. This kid is a fantastic football player. He escapes pressure like few QBs can. He engineers drives.

I'm curious, how many of you still wish the Jets had made that qualifying offer to Miles Austin? I prefer my crow fried. He has been everything I hoped and more. I saw him as an Alvin Harper type of option for this Offense. He has been more like Rocket Ismail than Harper. If he breaks a tackle and gets in gear he will not be caught from behind. The Defense better hope they can find an angle.

The running game wasn't the 200 plus yard juggernaut of the early season. That isn't surprising when 2 pieces of the running game are recovering from injuries. The passing game stepped up today in the absence of that consistent rushing attack.

Just for your information, Jason Witten is tied for #9 all time in receptions by a TE. The Fox announcers even said Tony Gonzalez, the best TE in NFL History, acknowledges that Witten is the best TE in the game right now. Jason is now 18 receptions behind 8th place TE, Jackie Smith. Yes, Super Bowl XIII's infamous Jackie Smith. In other words, he is now in HOF territory and he's only 27 years old.

We are blessed to watch this kid play. He is one of the all time greats at his position. He and Tony haven't been near the dynamic duo they have been in the past. I think it is coming soon though. They are trying to get everyone involved and in sync. Then Jason gets back to being the dominant receiving TE in the NFL.

In addition to climbing the TE receptions ladder, Jason is within reach of being #2 on the all time Cowboys receptions list. Emmitt is #3 at 486. That is now only 24 receptions ahead of Witten. Drew Pearson is #2 all time at 489, a mere 27 ahead of Jason. Amazing young man.

I don't know how to express how thankful I am for Joe DeCamillis. Remember when Jerry and Wade were over rating him? Remember when a few posters said "bring back Bruce Read?" Those posters should be mooned by a chorus of fat people. I used to dread special teams. Now, I just need to dread the Prevent Defense. Okay, I already ranted about that and will move on. I trust our Special Teams. I can't believe I am saying that.

The last thing I want to discuss is the guy who I think is as responsible for today's success as anyone. Keith Brooking, I am proud to enjoy watching the way you play football. I wasn't too excited about you coming here. Oh my, was I wrong. Thank you. It has been a pleasure sir.

I enjoyed today. Hope you did too.

"Those posters should be mooned by a chorus of fat people."

As a gravity challenged American I resent that remark.

 

[Bleu Star]

I talked about things that mattered in the game, good and bad. Same thing I do every week. Pay attention sometime.

:laugh2:

Oh, So Roy's impeccable down field blocking doesn't matter to you now? So hypocritical... As much as you crowed about him in the RW Trade thread, had he enjoyed a big day yesterday you would have crowed about him in your weekly diatribe too. He sucked and thus you omitted him for person rump savings. Whatever works. :laugh2: Have a great day.

 

[Bleu Star]

I don't think it's wise to over react to a bad day by any player. Just a few weeks ago our secondary was the worst coverage unit in the NFL. Do you think the Falcons would agree if you asked them tomorrow?

Speaking of Roy, was yesterday his only bad day since we mortgaged the house to get him?

Look, Roy has to produce. No one saying that is wrong. I just think when a guy becomes a whipping boy for the fans that it gets ridiculous. I tend to defend those players. As evidence see Tony Romo just 2 weeks ago. I defended him every thread.

Whipping boy? The guy has had the equivalent of a year now with the team and still has yet to produce. I sure would love to see it but I won't hold my breath waiting. Life is too valuable.

You tend to defend those players? Really? lol... I suppose TO is the lone exception.

There are people making all kinds of issues about my comments on Roy blocking. I'll throw this out there as a challenge to these guys or anyone else. I got a thousand dollars that says I can show posts where I praised TO and Keyshawn for their blocking downfield. In other words, I have consistently praised that ability in our WRs who do it well. I have 4 detractors in this thread. $250 bucks apiece if they will take the bet.

You know they won't. That would show nads and be honest. That isn't par for the course.

Oh.. So we have resorted to my thing is bigger than yours bets. Stellar. For the record, I won't be making any bets on this board. The last time I offered a bet it was seen in the same manner as I see this one.

The difference is Keyshawn and TO have never been the whipping boys that fans go after relentlessly.

BS sir. TO was hit harder than anyone has hit the venerable RW11....

The thing I have not learned after all these years is that when the parrots want to squawk let them squawk. They don't say anything worth listening to anyway. I can't help myself. I defend the players at almost every turn. That's my fault.

The thing I have learned after all these years is that there will always be differences of opinions on message boards. They're just microcasms of real life. You deal with it and respect the fact that everyone else is not going to agree with your views.