Breaking down the College Football Playoffs

[jterrell]

I don't know where OU would be in the ACC--I guess we could speculate--but you are right that I was exaggerating how bad they are.
I just like giving OU fans a hard time every so often.
Really, that win vs Tennessee looks pretty good right now. The Vols are only 4-5, but 4 losses were to ranked teams and the other was by 1 to Florida....so they aren't terrible for sure.

As for your rant against the ACC. That is a long standing thing dating back to or before when you were sure Florida State and Clemson would be happy to leave that inferior conference for the Big 12.
Wrong...
And that Florida State was just living on the old glory days and ACC would never win a national title.
Wrong Again.

For all we know, you could line up the Big 12 and ACC from team 1-10 and the ACC may win 4-6 of those games.

The College Football Playoff poll currently has 4 ACC teams and 3 Big 12 teams.
if the Big 12 is better, it is by the huge amount that you seem to think it is.

FSU WAS happy to leave for the Big 12. Not sure why Clemson hesitated.
FSU had internal votes to move if the offer became official as the world now knows.
The problem was TV.
No money, so no offer.

ESPN already had ACC football and didn't want to devalue it's own product by offering more money to the Big 12 for expansion.
So the Big 12 stood pat and FSU/Clemson got some concessions from the ACC and then the ACC sold it's soul to ND to save itself as a conference.
Ask Clemson how that's gonna feel if they lose the CFB at large big money bowl to ND.

FSU has a heck of a lot of talent but you can guarantee virtually every coach from every other P5 conf is telling their kids you don't wanna play that pansy ACC schedule.

The Big 12 wanted ND and FSU. They had big TV money coming immediately if they got that done.
FSU wanted the Big 12 but only if it also took Clemson or another close geographic rival.

End of the day the Big 12 is handing out over 20M per team BEFORE CFB money. That's eclipsed only by the SEC.
It ended up being all about the money.

 

[jterrell]

If FSU was in the Big 12 things would be vastly differwent but let's say they merely took WVA's schedule as the Eastern most team.


FSU's home conf sched:

Clemson
Wake Forest
ND
Virginia
BC


In Big 12

OU
Kansas
KState
Baylor
TCU

Now tell me which would be more fun to watch for the home faithful??

If FSU has went undefeated thus far in the Big 12 they'd be ranked the top overall seed, not 3rd.

 

[DFWJC]

If FSU was in the Big 12 things would be vastly differwent but let's say they merely took WVA's schedule as the Eastern most team.


FSU's home conf sched:

Clemson
Wake Forest
ND
Virginia
BC


In Big 12

OU
Kansas
KState
Baylor
TCU

Now tell me which would be more fun to watch for the home faithful??

If FSU has went undefeated thus far in the Big 12 they'd be ranked the top overall seed, not 3rd.

Lol
Those list of small rivière scools who until recently were not so great, plus a couple of normally ho-hum Kansas schools do not remotely help you're argument.
Maybe this year, but come on.

Anyway, I didn't say the ACC was better.
"Pansy" schedule?
Almost sound you applied to Duke, Virginia, and UNC and got turned down. Lol
Now you're taking out on FSU, Clemson, G a Tech, V Tech, etc....acting like they suck.

Just ribbin ya. But you do seem unusually hostile (and naive) toward the ACC.

 

[DFWJC]

Craziness going on every weekend.

TCU pulls out a nail-biter vs Kansas....not K State....Kansas. Whoa. Did win though.

Auburn gets drilled by a rejuvenated Georgia.

Resurgent Miami is giving Florida St all they want. Definitely not the Noles of 2013.

No huge surprise, but #1 Miss State lost at Alabama 25-20

Gordon rushed for 400 yards. What?! Amazing.

And much more

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Craziness going on every weekend.

TCU pulls out a nail-brighter vs Kansas....not K State....Kansas. Whoa. Did win though.

Auburn gets drilled by a rejuvenated Georgia.

Resurgent Miami is giving Florida St all they want. Definitely not the anoles of 2013.

No huge surprise, but #1 Miss State lost at Alabama 25-20

Gordon rushed for 400 yards. What?! Amazing.

A much more

So what's the deal with SEC East? It looks like Missouri is ahead in the division because of conference record (4-1 for Missouri vs 6-2 for Georgia), but Georgia is higher rated in the polls and the much better team. If they both win out, I think Missouri would play Bama for the SEC title. I think Georgia deserves it. Winner of Bama and Georgia gets a spot in the 4-team playoff. Do you see Missouri making the playoff if they win out and win the SEC? They're not even ranked but might be playing in the 4-team playoff despite getting drilled by Georgia 34-0.

Edit: And why don't they play the same amount of conference games? That doesn't seem fair. Georgia has played 8 conference games (6-2) and their final two games are non-conference. Missouri has only played 5 conference games (4-1) but they're final two games are in conference. They're favored to win both (Tennessee 2-4 in the SEC and Arkansas 0-5 in the SEC). But they'd only be 6-1 if they win (7 games) versus 6-2 Georgia (8 games).

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Here's a fun "what if" scenario...

As it currently stands, The SEC West is gonna come down to Alabama and Mississippi State, with an outside chance for Ole Miss. If they all win out, it would go to Alabama since they beat Mississippi State today and now own the tie-breaker. But Mississippi State still has to play Ole Miss and Alabama still has to play Auburn. Let's say the following things happen:

Ole Miss beats Mississippi State
Auburn beats Alabama

Then you'd have three teams sitting atop the SEC West (Alabama, Mississippi State, and Ole Miss) all with 10-2 overall records and 6-2 in the SEC. Ole Miss would have beaten both teams, Mississippi State would have lost to both teams, and Alabama would have beaten Mississippi State but lost to Ole Miss.

Would the tie-breaker then go to Ole Miss for having beat both teams? I don't know how college tie-breakers work. But that would be a fun scenario if it happened that way.

 

[DFWJC]

So what's the deal with SEC East? It looks like Missouri is ahead in the division because of conference record (4-1 for Missouri vs 6-2 for Georgia), but Georgia is higher rated in the polls and the much better team. If they both win out, I think Missouri would play Bama for the SEC title. I think Georgia deserves it. Winner of Bama and Georgia gets a spot in the 4-team playoff. Do you see Missouri making the playoff if they win out and win the SEC? They're not even ranked but might be playing in the 4-team playoff despite getting drilled by Georgia 34-0.

Edit: And why don't they play the same amount of conference games? That doesn't seem fair. Georgia has played 8 conference games (6-2) and their final two games are non-conference. Missouri has only played 5 conference games (4-1) but they're final two games are in conference. They're favored to win both (Tennessee 2-4 in the SEC and Arkansas 0-5 in the SEC). But they'd only be 6-1 if they win (7 games) versus 6-2 Georgia (8 games).

Really wild situation.

Amazing that they're In the SEC ,yet will not have to play any of the 4-5 best teams except maybe Georgia...who, like you mentioned,blew them out by 34-0.
Really wild.
Even then, I think Mizzou's two remaking games vs Arkansas and Tennessee could easily trip them up.

If they do make it, well, anything can happen in a one game scenario.
Honestly, I think they may not be in the top 4 anyway.

 

[DFWJC]

Heckuva game going on in Miami

If FSU holds on, I think this week will be

Oregon
Alabama
Florida St
Miss State

If they lose

Oregon
Alabama
Miss State
TCU or maybe AZ State if they win


Update..FSU won....so 26 in a row for that program. 9 lives.

 

[Rogah]

So what's the deal with SEC East? It looks like Missouri is ahead in the division because of conference record (4-1 for Missouri vs 6-2 for Georgia), but Georgia is higher rated in the polls and the much better team. If they both win out, I think Missouri would play Bama for the SEC title.

That is correct - and I have no doubt that 'Bama is praying for Missouri to win out because that will make their CCG a cakewalk.

Edit: And why don't they play the same amount of conference games? That doesn't seem fair. Georgia has played 8 conference games (6-2) and their final two games are non-conference. Missouri has only played 5 conference games (4-1) but they're final two games are in conference. They're favored to win both (Tennessee 2-4 in the SEC and Arkansas 0-5 in the SEC). But they'd only be 6-1 if they win (7 games) versus 6-2 Georgia (8 games).

They do play the same amount of conference games. You must have seen Missouri's record before they updated it with today's victory so they are now 5-1 in conference.

 

[Rogah]

Here's a fun "what if" scenario...

As it currently stands, The SEC West is gonna come down to Alabama and Mississippi State, with an outside chance for Ole Miss. If they all win out, it would go to Alabama since they beat Mississippi State today and now own the tie-breaker. But Mississippi State still has to play Ole Miss and Alabama still has to play Auburn. Let's say the following things happen:

Ole Miss beats Mississippi State
Auburn beats Alabama

Then you'd have three teams sitting atop the SEC West (Alabama, Mississippi State, and Ole Miss) all with 10-2 overall records and 6-2 in the SEC. Ole Miss would have beaten both teams, Mississippi State would have lost to both teams, and Alabama would have beaten Mississippi State but lost to Ole Miss.

Would the tie-breaker then go to Ole Miss for having beat both teams? I don't know how college tie-breakers work. But that would be a fun scenario if it happened that way.

The first tie-breaker is head-to-head. In a 3-way tie, you usually see the old "A beat B, B beat C, C beat A" scenario so head-to-head does not apply. However, as you noted, in this case head-to-head does apply and Ole Miss would claim the division based on their victories over both other teams.

The next tie-breaker is each team's record within the division. After that I am not sure. I know they used to use BCS rankings as a tie-breaker but I do not know what they do now that that's out the window.

 

[DFWJC]

Baylor and Ohio State say thank you to Oregon State....down goes #6 Arizona St.

Six teams left with 1 loss plus, one with no losses.

And Baylor and TCU don't even have to play a a title game. Odds are improving for one of them....maybe

 

[joseephuss]

Ohio St. played a close game against a team TCU blew out this season.

 

[reddyuta]

It would be a shame if there are no big 12 teams in the playoffs.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

Good Start with this playoff system... but ultimately a system where the P5 are all represented by their conference champions is needed....
wild cards after...

 

[Idgit]

Sigh. Why can't I ever have nice things?

 

[viman96]

Lots of talk about non conf games. Just for fun do you think the playoff selection committee or some other third party should scheduled 2 games per power 5 conference out of conf games?

 

[joseephuss]

Lots of talk about non conf games. Just for fun do you think the playoff selection committee or some other third party should scheduled 2 games per power 5 conference out of conf games?

Not a bad idea. Once teams or conferences start getting left out of the party they may start scheduling those games on their own.

 

[DFWJC]

Ohio St. played a close game against a team TCU blew out this season.

I'm not sure score comps help too much unless maybe they happen in back-to-back weeks.

For example. Duke beat Kansas 41-3 and TCU was very lucky to beat KU at all. But I do think (don't know for sure, but think) that TCU is the better team.

Ohio St may be the most improved team from early in the year out of all the top 25. They lost their MVP and Heisman candidate at the beginning of the season and are just now getting their sea legs.

I don't see them leap-frogging (no pun) TCU the HornyToads lose one.

 

[jimmy40]

so as of today FSU hasn't beaten a ranked team?

 

[Rogah]

I'm not sure score comps help too much unless maybe they happen in back-to-back weeks.

For example. Duke beat Kansas 41-3 and TCU was very lucky to beat KU at all. But I do think (don't know for sure, but think) that TCU is the better team.

Ohio St may be the most improved team from early in the year out of all the top 25. They lost their MVP and Heisman candidate at the beginning of the season and are just now getting their sea legs.

I don't see them leap-frogging (no pun) TCU the HornyToads lose one.

I don't see OSU leap frogging TCU but I have no doubt Alabama will, so TCU's eye will be on seeing how far Mississippi State drops (not to mention those pesky Bears who beat TCU earlier in the season). I do not like TCU's chances of remaining in the top-4 this week but we'll see.