Can the last remaining Dez fans at least accept who he really is?

[OmerV]

I’m glad I didn’t disappoint.

Dez isn’t the reason we are a perennial 8-8 team.
Garrett is.

The last 8-8 season was in 2013. Time for that mantra to stop. What the Cowboys have done in recent years has been pretty up and down, with 2 very good season records, one very bad, and one slightly over .500. In any case, of course Dez isn’t solely responsible for bad or mediocre seasons, but that doesn’t mean he hasn’t been a problem, or at the least hasn’t been worth the money.

 

[superonyx]

As for Marinelli... Let’s not forget that Scott has produced elite offenses in previous seasons here and elsewhere. Perhaps he got too comfortable.

The offense was way too predictable last season and Cowboys coaches and brass know it. Scott knows it. But in his defense here is what he had:
-Brice Butler was mr. alligator arms when asked to run over the middle
-Cole’s physical profile doesn’t so work well down-field
-Witten was getting old
-Dez has never mastered the route tree as HOFers Shannon Sharpe and Chris Carter often note

That’s a ton of factors limiting the playbook! Nevertheless Scott deserves some criticism here I believe.

Romo had to deal with these same offensive playbook limitations. The difference is Romo would change the plays at the line to create mismatches. Dak isn’t there yet and shouldn’t have to be the QB and OC in order to succeed. Look at how our offense produced over the years every time Romo was out.

Linehan and Garrett had enough chances. If the Jones wanted to show Dez the door then he should have also shown Linehan and JG the door with him.

Dez made a mistake and called out the coaches for terrible predictable plays. He couldnt stand hearing the media and fans blame him for the offense not working. He isn’t like the other company men who would just be silent. Of course these company guys also were not the ones who were being criticized like Dez was.

He shouldn’t have said what he said. But the team shouldn’t have let him take the heat for others failing either.
Andy Reid, Peyton, Peterson, McVey would take the blame after losses and defend their players. JG and Linehan found their scapegoat for their failings.

This is pretty clear at this point regardless of how you feel about Dez.

 

[superonyx]

The last 8-8 season was in 2013. Time for that mantra to stop. What the Cowboys have done in recent years has been pretty up and down, with 2 very good season records, one very bad, and one slightly over .500. In any case, of course Dez isn’t solely responsible for bad or mediocre seasons, but that doesn’t mean he hasn’t been a problem, or at the least hasn’t been worth the money.

Dude we have become a joke franchise. Let’s be honest about it. We are fun to talk about but in the end the league and fans all get a laugh from us. And JG keeps his job why?

 

[waving monkey]

I think Witten may want to read his first article too, and a few others. He was the anointed one, and all we saw was chaos, suspensions, blame, and underachievement.

 

[waving monkey]

Dude we have become a joke franchise. Let’s be honest about it. We are fun to talk about but in the end the league and fans all get a laugh from us. And JG keeps his job why?

This is sheer hyperbole onyx for gods sake. Take two pills and get some rest.

 

[CPanther95]

It's a shame the coaching staff wasn't bright enough to notice that he wasn't adept at route running and work on it with him.

 

[GenoT]

Dez Bryant is no longer a Dallas Cowboy, he’s not coming back and most of the diehard Dez fans, along with most of the rest of us, have accepted this and moved on.

It seems that the only people who can’t let go are those who, for what ever reason, still feel the need to whip a horse that’s been dead since mid-April.

 

[OmerV]

Dude we have become a joke franchise. Let’s be honest about it. We are fun to talk about but in the end the league and fans all get a laugh from us. And JG keeps his job why?

First, this comment doesn’t at all speak to what I said, or to the fact that your perennial 8-8 comment is inaccurate.

Second, while the team has had struggles, I’m always amused at the perception some have that people focus so much attention laughing at the Cowboys, and that Cowboy fans are actually worried about that anyway. I get being frustrated as a Cowboy fan - get frustrated too. But whether Joe Lebowski in Peoria, Illinois laughs at the Cowboys or not doesn’t give me one second of concern.

 

[superonyx]

This is sheer hyperbole onyx for gods sake. Take two pills and get some rest.

No it’s an observation and an opinion.
This is a message board and that’s what we do.

How about addressing the question presented. Crazy idea I know.

 

[elcowboi]

I would seriously like to know if the die hard Dez fans can accept that Dez isn't emotionally stable and is probably a bit of a problem for a team to deal with?

Having seen his recent twitter meltdown is it that far fetched to see that he was problematic for the Cowboys?

This isn't about his skill set or whether he was top 5 or anything else. That's a whole different debate that we aren't going to address in this thread. All of that can be debated at another time.

I would just like to know if you guys can objectively see what the Cowboys were having to deal with regarding Dez. The Amazon Prime series is also consistent with this twitter meltdown.

Is there anyone on this board that still thinks Dez isn't seriously problematic from an emotional stability point of view?

It's weird that he's no longer on the roster but still in all of our mouths...who cares if he's unstable or not not? He's not on the team anymore...

 

[Blake]

Romo had to deal with these same offensive playbook limitations. The difference is Romo would change the plays at the line to create mismatches. Dak isn’t there yet and shouldn’t have to be the QB and OC in order to succeed. Look at how our offense produced over the years every time Romo was out.

Linehan and Garrett had enough chances. If the Jones wanted to show Dez the door then he should have also shown Linehan and JG the door with him.

Dez made a mistake and called out the coaches for terrible predictable plays. He couldnt stand hearing the media and fans blame him for the offense not working. He isn’t like the other company men who would just be silent. Of course these company guys also were not the ones who were being criticized like Dez was.

He shouldn’t have said what he said. But the team shouldn’t have let him take the heat for others failing either.
Andy Reid, Peyton, Peterson, McVey would take the blame after losses and defend their players. JG and Linehan found their scapegoat for their failings.

This is pretty clear at this point regardless of how you feel about Dez.

Kind of agree, and appreciate where Dez is coming from with regards to his feelings about the organization.

Now, if he would just attempt to make his points without coming across sounding like an emotionally unstable, mental-midget, I think more would be on board with what he has to say.

 

[superonyx]

First, this comment doesn’t at all speak to what I said, or to the fact that your perennial 8-8 comment is inaccurate.

Second, while the team has had struggles, I’m always amused at the perception some have that people focus so much attention laughing at the Cowboys, and that Cowboy fans are actually worried about that anyway. I get being frustrated as a Cowboy fan - get frustrated too. But whether Joe Lebowski in Peoria, Illinois laughs at the Cowboys or not doesn’t give me one second of concern.

You know the 8-8 comment doesn’t really mean we have to go exactly 8-8 each year right?
Look at how many wins ams losses we have averaged since JG has been the coach.
You will then understand the 8-8 comment....or maybe..

You don’t have to care that we are a joke to the rest of the league...that we are no longer a relevant threat to win anything significant. You don’t have to care if the other fan bases see us this way.
I think it’s unfortunate mostly because we have proven them right.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

A types are leaders. Dez is not.

LOL...I was wondering the same thing on how he called Dez a “Type A” personality.

 

[VACowboy]

I think we'd almost all agree that Jason Garrett's refusal or inability to adapt as an offensive architect has been problematic for the Dallas Cowboys for a long time, but I don't understand how Tweeting about it makes Dez some kind of a saint. He rants about the offense but has never made any effort to DO anything about it, like, oh, I don't know, HIS FRICKING JOB. Any WR who gets paid like a "number one" but can't or won't learn to run routes, is sloppy running the ones he can handle and can't bother to consistently show up for work on time has no room to mouth off about anyone else. His job as the stud pass catcher he's paid and fancies himself to be is to scorch single coverage when teams stack the box against the run but we've seen less and less of that over the past few years; it happened rarely in 2017. Some of the problem has undoubtedly been Garrett's offensive design, but at some point Dez has to put on his big boy pants and just go beat somebody. Dez is right about Garrett and the offense, but none of that has prevented him from being professional: coming to work in timely fashion, learning the route tree, beating press and single coverage, catching the football and just generally doing his part in the offense with precision and excellence. My bigger issue with Dez though is his flaming of consummate pros like Lee and Witten. I could go on for an hour about that but anyone who views the situation objectively is already laughing as hard as I am about the whole thing. I think it's interesting that Dez hated his teammates. Hated his coaches. Hated the offense. But had no problem taking 70-million dollars to suffer for five more years.

Just my nickel. (inflation)

 

[Clove]

I was not a big supporter of Dez Bryant while he was here the last couple of years (due to production) but I definitely appreciate him telling the truth about Garrett and his style of offense. It's rare to get truth from players now a days, of course unless you're fired. Will Garrett or Jerry ever tell the truth? Hell no.

 

[Typhus]

Dez eats fruit cake on Christmas and Garrett sucks as a head coach,,, there it is.
That was simple,, never understood why it has to be just one or the other.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

This thread though!!!

I just spent the last 20 minutes and two cups of coffee reading through this thread and haven’t heard anything new. Dez is just as polarizing to this forum as he ever has been. Debating Dez is just like debating our country’s current political mess.

Yes Dez was a problem and so was Witten. As is Garrett, Linehan, Marinelli, Jerry, Stephen, Charlotte and soon it will be Kris Richards’s and Sanjay Lal. Oh and let’s not forgot Mike Woicik. People will continue to single out people in the organization until we win a Super Bowl. It’s a team effort that we have been mediocre.

 

[VACowboy]

This thread though!!!

I just spent the last 20 minutes and two cups of coffee reading through this thread and haven’t heard anything new. Dez is just as polarizing to this forum as he ever has been. Debating Dez is just like debating out current political mess.

Yes Dez was a problem and so was Witten. As is Garrett, Linehan, Marinelli, Jerry, Stephen, Charlotte and soon it will be Kris Richards’s and Sanjay Lal. Oh and let’s not forgot Mike Woicik. People will continue to single out people in the organization until we win a Super Bowl. It’s a team effort that we have been mediocre.

Nice.

 

[waving monkey]

It's a shame the coaching staff wasn't bright enough to notice that he wasn't adept at route running and work on it with him.

I think Dooley was intimidated by Dez.

 

[ItzKelz]

I would seriously like to know if the die hard Dez fans can accept that Dez isn't emotionally stable and is probably a bit of a problem for a team to deal with?

Having seen his recent twitter meltdown is it that far fetched to see that he was problematic for the Cowboys?

This isn't about his skill set or whether he was top 5 or anything else. That's a whole different debate that we aren't going to address in this thread. All of that can be debated at another time.

I would just like to know if you guys can objectively see what the Cowboys were having to deal with regarding Dez. The Amazon Prime series is also consistent with this twitter meltdown.

Is there anyone on this board that still thinks Dez isn't seriously problematic from an emotional stability point of view?

I will always be a die hard fan. I don't know him personally so I have no idea if he's stable emotionally. With that said Dez was no longer a good fit for our team as it is presently constructed. No matter how much I love Dez as a Cowboy he or no player will ever be bigger than the star.