Cobb signs for 4yrs 40mil

[Eskimo]

Just look at how team's can gameplan around Dez without leaving open Cowboys players all over the field. Dez and the Cowboys offense didn't exactly light things up in the playoffs against a mediocre secondary in Detroit and an overall mediocre defense in Green Bay.

OTOH, look how hard it was for teams to try and take Cobb away when you bring him out of the backfield in the empty back set. He also is an elite returner. Cobb is a nightmare and has a much more diverse game than Dez can ever dream of. Cobb made the difficult catches at the end of the half that gave Green Bay momentum against us and then sealed the deal at the end.

I am afraid that the cult following of the Cowboys that Jerry has strongly invested in gets into the players' heads and results in them always wanting and demanding to be overpaid. Meanwhile the humble Packers seem to routinely get players giving them sizeable hometown discounts.

I agree Dez deserves more than Cobb based on more years of productivity and for putting up that productivity out wide where it is tougher to win matchups but Cobb is a nightmare who is more responsible for the Packers beating us than any other player. Dez is not on an entirely different level and I suspect his ego is getting in the way of getting a fair deal done for both sides.

 

[StarBoyz83]

Theyve already offered dez more than cobb signed for. He's not worth much more. Love dez but we cant cripple the team to sign him long term.

 

[ftghb]

if i were running the cowboys, 12-13 is a number i'd try to shoot for with dez. if not, then fine.....he can get money somewhere else. But there's no point in shaming dez into taking a deal below market standards, he wants to get everything he can get that's his prerogative.

Btw, randall cobb is NOT the same type of player as dez. You can't replace a 6'2 224 lb receiver who can do it all on the field with a 5'10 guy who barely weighs a buck ninety working on nickel and dime corners all day. Green Bay does a lot of interesting things to scheme randall cobb open, but dez is told a lot of times to just go out there and make the play on his own over tight coverage. There are only a handful of guys in this league who can make that happen, and they're all expecting/are getting paid 14-15 million per.

btw, they don't even have cobb lined up as the Z receiver, that role went to davante adams, the guy who gashed us in the nfc divisional game. He usually lines up in the slot, the old wes welker role, and even though he was best slot in FA at the time, he only got 6 million apy from the broncos at the time.

 

[waving monkey]

"Just pay the man" rarely works in the NFL. See Marion Barber, Ken Hamlin, Jay Ratliff, etc,etc.

But if one player is worth the money, its Dez. Love him as a player. Love his passion. He wants to win so bad and he wants to win in Dallas. Pay him.

the pie can't be rebaked bigger

 

[LittleD]

if i were running the cowboys, 12-13 is a number i'd try to shoot for with dez. if not, then fine.....he can get money somewhere else. But there's no point in shaming dez into taking a deal below market standards, he wants to get everything he can get that's his prerogative.

Btw, randall cobb is NOT the same type of player as dez. You can't replace a 6'2 224 lb receiver who can do it all on the field with a 5'10 guy who barely weighs a buck ninety working on nickel and dime corners all day. Green Bay does a lot of interesting things to scheme randall cobb open, but dez is told a lot of times to just go out there and make the play on his own over tight coverage. There are only a handful of guys in this league who can make that happen, and they're all expecting/are getting paid 14-15 million per.

btw, they don't even have cobb lined up as the Z receiver, that role went to davante adams, the guy who gashed us in the nfc divisional game. He usually lines up in the slot, the old wes welker role, and even though he was best slot in FA at the time, he only got 6 million apy from the broncos at the time.

The Cowboys are paying the man his money. He is going to make 12.8mil this year and that's not chump change.
I would franchise him again next year which would give him about 28mil over two years and reevaluate where
Romo is. No use overpaying a WR if your franchise QB leaves. This is a short two year window for the Boys
so just keep the piggy bank locked up and ride the wave.

 

[mattjames2010]

Cobb is just behind Brown as the best slot receiver in the game. A position that has been on the rise since about 2007. It's becoming more and more of a premiere position, and Cobb is worth $10 million a year, no doubt about it.

 

[mattjames2010]

if i were running the cowboys, 12-13 is a number i'd try to shoot for with dez. if not, then fine.....he can get money somewhere else. But there's no point in shaming dez into taking a deal below market standards, he wants to get everything he can get that's his prerogative.

Btw, randall cobb is NOT the same type of player as dez. You can't replace a 6'2 224 lb receiver who can do it all on the field with a 5'10 guy who barely weighs a buck ninety working on nickel and dime corners all day. Green Bay does a lot of interesting things to scheme randall cobb open, but dez is told a lot of times to just go out there and make the play on his own over tight coverage. There are only a handful of guys in this league who can make that happen, and they're all expecting/are getting paid 14-15 million per.

btw, they don't even have cobb lined up as the Z receiver, that role went to davante adams, the guy who gashed us in the nfc divisional game. He usually lines up in the slot, the old wes welker role, and even though he was best slot in FA at the time, he only got 6 million apy from the broncos at the time.

You're right, Cobb and Bryant aren't the same players. Dez, while he does work out of the slot from time to time, is mostly an outside guy (He is not the best route runner, sadly). Cobb is a completely different kind of receiver, the same as Antonio Brown.

Bryant has freakish talent on the outside, it would not benefit him in the slot. Bit time outside WR's get paid more because of the market for outside WRs. A team like NE has far more use out of a top level slot receiver than a top level outside receiver.

And Wes Welker was 31 when he left NE, if he was 25-26, he would have been paid far more.

 

[perrykemp]

Cobb is not in Dez's stratosphere...

I get this sentiment but I think folks are taking it too far.

Dez is a great WR. He is the best red-zone WR in the NFL. He is elite.

Cobb is a very different kind of player -- one who can and does line up at any of the x, y, and z WR positions as well as lining up as a RB where he averages a paltry 9.3 yards per carry.

Dez is the leading WR in the league for TD receptions over the past 3 season.

Cobb is the leading WR in the league overt the past 4 years in completion percentage for passes thrown to him (75.2%). The guy moves the chains

Dez is one of the top 2-3 x or z WRs in the league.

Cobb is one of the best 1-2 y WRs in the league -- probably just behind Antonio Brown.

x and y WRs are valued more overall and therefore he will get more money that Cobb.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Just look at how team's can gameplan around Dez without leaving open Cowboys players all over the field. Dez and the Cowboys offense didn't exactly light things up in the playoffs against a mediocre secondary in Detroit and an overall mediocre defense in Green Bay.

OTOH, look how hard it was for teams to try and take Cobb away when you bring him out of the backfield in the empty back set. He also is an elite returner. Cobb is a nightmare and has a much more diverse game than Dez can ever dream of. Cobb made the difficult catches at the end of the half that gave Green Bay momentum against us and then sealed the deal at the end.

I am afraid that the cult following of the Cowboys that Jerry has strongly invested in gets into the players' heads and results in them always wanting and demanding to be overpaid. Meanwhile the humble Packers seem to routinely get players giving them sizeable hometown discounts.

I agree Dez deserves more than Cobb based on more years of productivity and for putting up that productivity out wide where it is tougher to win matchups but Cobb is a nightmare who is more responsible for the Packers beating us than any other player. Dez is not on an entirely different level and I suspect his ego is getting in the way of getting a fair deal done for both sides.

I think your dislike for Dez is getting in your way, they are on different levels. Cobb is a novelty act who would disappear without a super human Qb and he knows it. Bryant is a dominant #1 who is often double and triple teamed, can you ever say that for Cobb?
Eric Decker learned the hard way a good QB helps and Cobb, thanks to Rodgers will now get to enjoy a hefty second contract after this one is done all thanks to discount double check.

 

[joseephuss]

I'm afraid he is, especially in GB. He is one of a dozen top WRs in the League.

CJohnson, JJones, Dez, DThomas, ABrown, AJGreen, Jordy, RCobb, TYHilton, DJackson......etc and then there are the rookies

Dez is great and I love him in Dallas, but let's not pretend he is irreplaceable at any cost.

DJackson doesn't belong on that list.

 

[perrykemp]

I think your dislike for Dez is getting in your way, they are on different levels. Cobb is a novelty act who would disappear without a super human Qb and he knows it. Bryant is a dominant #1 who is often double and triple teamed, can you ever say that for Cobb?

Oh_Canada -- I think you aren't keeping up with the times.

Cobb is a very good slot WR. If you hadn't noticed, the value of slot WRs has been going up in the NFL in recent years.

Edelman was the NE's best WR this year.

Percy Harvin played a big role in Seattle's superbowl victory against Denver.

Cobb played a big role vs Dallas in the playoffs.

Unlike a X or Z WR who can be pretty much taken out but double-teaming, it's very hard to double a Y in the same way since literally they have the entire middle of the field to play with.

Anyway, not arguing with you that having a big elite X/Z WR like Dez isn't awesome, however, I think you are dramatically underplaying the role really good slot WRs are playing in recent years helping their teams in the playoffs / superbowls.

 

[joseephuss]

Just look at how team's can gameplan around Dez without leaving open Cowboys players all over the field. Dez and the Cowboys offense didn't exactly light things up in the playoffs against a mediocre secondary in Detroit and an overall mediocre defense in Green Bay.s.

The Lions had one of the top defenses in the NFL. They gave up 17.6 points per game. Dallas scored 24 on them.

 

[joseephuss]

Cobb is just behind Brown as the best slot receiver in the game. A position that has been on the rise since about 2007. It's becoming more and more of a premiere position, and Cobb is worth $10 million a year, no doubt about it.

This Cobb deal makes the Cole Beasley deal look good. Beasley is getting 1/3rd a year than Cobb. Seems about right if Cobb is the best slot guy in the league.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Just look at how team's can gameplan around Dez without leaving open Cowboys players all over the field. Dez and the Cowboys offense didn't exactly light things up in the playoffs against a mediocre secondary in Detroit and an overall mediocre defense in Green Bay.

OTOH, look how hard it was for teams to try and take Cobb away when you bring him out of the backfield in the empty back set. He also is an elite returner. Cobb is a nightmare and has a much more diverse game than Dez can ever dream of. Cobb made the difficult catches at the end of the half that gave Green Bay momentum against us and then sealed the deal at the end.

I am afraid that the cult following of the Cowboys that Jerry has strongly invested in gets into the players' heads and results in them always wanting and demanding to be overpaid. Meanwhile the humble Packers seem to routinely get players giving them sizeable hometown discounts.

I agree Dez deserves more than Cobb based on more years of productivity and for putting up that productivity out wide where it is tougher to win matchups but Cobb is a nightmare who is more responsible for the Packers beating us than any other player. Dez is not on an entirely different level and I suspect his ego is getting in the way of getting a fair deal done for both sides.

I think having Dez is for more beneficial than not having him BUT there are some "curses" that you have to deal with when it comes to having an elite, somewhat prima-donna-ish WR out there. He ends up having balls forced to him and having him "check-out" when he doesn't feel he's not involved. I think some other weapons on this team go underutilized because of his presence.

And you bet his ego is keeping him from getting a deal done.

I don't think he's worth dropping $15+ mil per season on. Like others have said $12-$13 mil per season is more like it.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Oh_Canada -- I think you aren't keeping up with the times.

Cobb is a very good slot WR. If you hadn't noticed, the value of slot WRs has been going up in the NFL in recent years.

Edelman was the NE's best WR this year.

Percy Harvin played a big role in Seattle's superbowl victory against Denver.

Cobb played a big role vs Dallas in the playoffs.

Unlike a X or Z WR who can be pretty much taken out but double-teaming, it's very hard to double a Y in the same way since literally they have the entire middle of the field to play with.

Anyway, not arguing with you that having a big elite X/Z WR like Dez isn't awesome, however, I think you are dramatically underplaying the role really good slot WRs are playing in recent years helping their teams in the playoffs / superbowls.

Agreed.

It's a very-good offense (no doubt) but it's not a great offense.

I think too much of the passing game is forced through Bryant.

 

[cowboyvic]

I think having Dez is for more beneficial than not having him BUT there are some "curses" that you have to deal with when it comes to having an elite, somewhat prima-donna-ish WR out there. He ends up having balls forced to him and having him "check-out" when he doesn't feel he's not involved. I think some other weapons on this team go underutilized because of his presence.

And you bet his ego is keeping him from getting a deal done.

I don't think he's worth dropping $15+ mil per season on. Like others have said $12-$13 mil per season is more like it.

So you are willing to let one of the best WR in football go because you don't want to pay 2 or 3 more million dollars? that's crazy. Dez earned it. pay the man.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

So you are willing to let one of the best WR in football go because you don't want to pay 2 or 3 more million dollars? that's crazy. Dez earned it. pay the man.

For 2, first round draft picks, and the money saved against the cap?


You bet I would let him go.


And I wouldn't need to be asked twice.


Like someone else pointed out, the "pie is only so big".

 

[cowboyvic]

For 2, first round draft picks, and the money saved against the cap?


You bet I would let him go.


And I wouldn't need to be asked twice.


Like someone else pointed out, the "pie is only so big".

You know what that would mean don't you? no chance for a championship for guys like Witten and Romo. no Dez and or Murray, and no chance. it will not be easy to replace 2 studs like that with just anybody. you take those 2 guys off this team, and it's not a 12 and 4 team. it's a 4 and 12 team. don't fool yourself. you don't find a Dez every day of the year. the guy is a special talent. a good QB with no weapons does you no good.be careful what you wish far.

 

[yimyammer]

So you are willing to let one of the best WR in football go because you don't want to pay 2 or 3 more million dollars? that's crazy. Dez earned it. pay the man.

PAY THE MAN!!!!!!!

 

[MichaelWinicki]

You know what that would mean don't you? no chance for a championship for guys like Witten and Romo. no Dez and or Murray, and no chance. it will not be easy to replace 2 studs like that with just anybody. you take those 2 guys off this team, and it's not a 12 and 4 team. it's a 4 and 12 team. don't fool yourself. you don't find a Dez every day of the year. the guy is a special talent. a good QB with no weapons does you no good.be careful what you wish far.

Who say's it wouldn't result in a championship?

Check out the WR's on Seattle and New England...

Edelman
Amendola
LaFell
Baldwin
Kearse

I don't see anything close to a "Dez Bryant" in there.

Improve this defense some and the Cowboys will be competitive with the best OL in football and a top 5 QB and TE.