Commanders agree to terms on deal for Taylor

[Hostile]

I agree with Taylor being a player but the Skins IMO made a dumb*** move because they wont even come close to the playoffs. How much desire does he have left? If they suck this season (which they will) it was a waste of decent draft choice. Just to much risk to put into a 34 year old who might or might not have a lot of desire.

They were a playoff team last year. To simply wave the white flag and say "we lost Phillip Daniels and we are doomed" would be more foolish. They're rolling the dice.

I think it's a smart move.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Didn't we do the same with Deion when Kevin Smith went down?

While injuries are part of the game, they are nonetheless probably the most gut-wrenching thing to happen to any fan. If anything-considering the Skins were acting out of desperation, they really didn't give up THAT much, in comparison.

We already had Deion when Kevin Smith went down in the opening game. Larry Brown stepped in and stepped up on his way to a Super Bowl MVP. Not a good comparison, really.

 

[Mansta54]

I agree with Taylor being a player but the Skins IMO made a dumb*** move because they wont even come close to the playoffs. How much desire does he have left? If they suck this season (which they will) it was a waste of decent draft choice. Just to much risk to put into a 34 year old who might or might not have a lot of desire.

Another wise post.. I couldn't agree more...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I wonder how many in here wouldn't give up a 2nd if we lost a player?

Let's say we did not improve WR and Crayton were to go down. You wouldn't offer a 2nd round pick for a guy who actually is an upgrade to Crayton?

I would. Every time. I hate the Skins as much as anyone, but I can spot a good move when it's as obvious as the nose on my face.

In a vacuum its a good deal. A second rounder for a pro bowl player at a position of glaring need.

Unfortunately this is not a vacuum. This is just part of by now what should be a trend that Snyder should already realize is not one that works. This is an 8-8 team that essentially has added three rookie receivers and Taylor. The team is dreadfully low on depth as made apparent by this move and itsl like that across the board.

This is the type of move you make if youre right on the cusp. Our team for example is right on the cusp and say Ware were to go down then the move makes sense.

Basically this move returns them to status quo which is they are going to need some luck to get to 9 or 10 wins to just make the playoffs and really dont look to do better than the thrashing they got at the hands of the Seahawks last season.

In that context, this is not a good move. It perpetuates the lack of depth that they have for yet another season as they continue to throw away first day draft picks. This is a team that is old and is getting older and throws away the firepower to reverse that trend.

It also highlights the stupidity of their drafting. This is a team that desperately needs line depth on both sides of the ball. An upgrade to Randall El is definitely understandable but with Cooley and Moss on board to draft like they did and neglect line depth put them in this hole.

The team is good at managing the cap I will give them that but at the end of the day they are clueless in most other aspects. Revolving coaches, throwing away drfat picks, completely disregarding positions of need in the draft, spending big $$ on aging FA. The list goes on.

Thank god we have Jones running the show and not the midget.

 

[TheSkaven]

they'll get what? 1-2 years out of him?

2nd round pick seems a lot even for a player like Taylor when you think about what they might be getting

My thoughts exactly. Taylor already announced that this was his last year, though he could be posturing. Giving up a 2nd and a 6th for a 1 year player, it's mind-boggling. Skins got raped, IMHO.

 

[Boysboy]

I agree with Taylor being a player but the Skins IMO made a dumb*** move because they wont even come close to the playoffs. How much desire does he have left? If they suck this season (which they will) it was a waste of decent draft choice. Just to much risk to put into a 34 year old who might or might not have a lot of desire.

Cleveland wasn't supposed to win a game last year. What happened?

The Packers weren't supposed to have receivers, tight ends, or even a decent RB. What happened?

The NFC Title game was a LOCK to be Eagles/Saints. What happened?

The Chargers were supposed to implode under Norv. What happened?

The Giants were supposed to be in a rebuilding year. What happened?

Really-I wouldn't count ANYONE out.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He's definitely an upgrade for them, but its still a deal they didn't want to do until the injury to Daniels. I would have been a lot more concerned had the eagles or giants had gotten him though.

that would suck

Tuck, Osi, Matthias...Taylor

not as bad, but Juqua Thomas, Trent Cole and Taylor

 

[Hostile]

Maybe I should have added "not frail" to my description. I figured promising would eliminate James from consideration.

At one time Fred Taylor was considered frail too. Players do shed labels form time to time.

It's a valid point, but so is mine that they have players who could learn from Taylor. Will he learn enough? I submit that neither of us know. But the possibility is there.

 

[Mansta54]

They were a playoff team last year. To simply wave the white flag and say "we lost Phillip Daniels and we are doomed" would be more foolish. They're rolling the dice.

I think it's a smart move.

They were doomed loooong before Daniels going down. It started with GW going to Jacksonville, JZ being hired with absolutely ZERO HC experience, drafting 3 recievers with their first 3 picks, their old and often hurt Oline, the passing of ST, and I could go on and on.. Trust, it didn't start with Daniels....

 

[Boysboy]

He's definitely an upgrade for them, but its still a deal they didn't want to do until the injury to Daniels. I would have been a lot more concerned had the eagles or giants had gotten him though.

Eagles? Not me. They would have had to dump Lito to do so.

For now-I'll admit, their 3-headed cornerback tamdum of Lito/Sheldon/Asante is pretty scary...for the reason being that this would cover up Samuel's weaknesses(as it would allow Lito and Sheldon to cover the slot more).

However-sans Lito in there, Samuel's presence alone would really weigh down that secondary b/c of his inability to play man-man.

 

[mbanx]

I would like to see who he would face this year and how much the competition will increase or decrease compared to his days in the AFC east.

 

[Big Dakota]

In a vacuum its a good deal. A second rounder for a pro bowl player at a position of glaring need.

Unfortunately this is not a vacuum. This is just part of by now what should be a trend that Snyder should already realize is not one that works. This is an 8-8 team that essentially has added three rookie receivers and Taylor. The team is dreadfully low on depth as made apparent by this move and itsl like that across the board.

This is the type of move you make if youre right on the cusp. Our team for example is right on the cusp and say Ware were to go down then the move makes sense.

Basically this move returns them to status quo which is they are going to need some luck to get to 9 or 10 wins to just make the playoffs and really dont look to do better than the thrashing they got at the hands of the Seahawks last season.

In that context, this is not a good move. It perpetuates the lack of depth that they have for yet another season as they continue to throw away first day draft picks. This is a team that is old and is getting older and throws away the firepower to reverse that trend.

It also highlights the stupidity of their drafting. This is a team that desperately needs line depth on both sides of the ball. An upgrade to Randall El is definitely understandable but with Cooley and Moss on board to draft like they did and neglect line depth put them in this hole.

The team is good at managing the cap I will give them that but at the end of the day they are clueless in most other aspects. Revolving coaches, throwing away drfat picks, completely disregarding positions of need in the draft, spending big $$ on aging FA. The list goes on.

Thank god we have Jones running the show and not the midget.

Good points!! They are on the hook for 16 million(or there abouts) for this guy over the next 2 years.

 

[Boysboy]

At one time Fred Taylor was considered frail too. Players do shed labels form time to time.

That's b/c Fred Taylor no longer carries the full load anymore-if anything, splitting carries with Maurice Jones-Drew has taken alot of burden off of him.

 

[bbgun]

Sorry bb, that was funny.

Drunks usually are.

 

[Hostile]

In a vacuum its a good deal. A second rounder for a pro bowl player at a position of glaring need.

Unfortunately this is not a vacuum. This is just part of by now what should be a trend that Snyder should already realize is not one that works. This is an 8-8 team that essentially has added three rookie receivers and Taylor. The team is dreadfully low on depth as made apparent by this move and itsl like that across the board.

This is the type of move you make if youre right on the cusp. Our team for example is right on the cusp and say Ware were to go down then the move makes sense.

Basically this move returns them to status quo which is they are going to need some luck to get to 9 or 10 wins to just make the playoffs and really dont look to do better than the thrashing they got at the hands of the Seahawks last season.

In that context, this is not a good move. It perpetuates the lack of depth that they have for yet another season as they continue to throw away first day draft picks. This is a team that is old and is getting older and throws away the firepower to reverse that trend.

It also highlights the stupidity of their drafting. This is a team that desperately needs line depth on both sides of the ball. An upgrade to Randall El is definitely understandable but with Cooley and Moss on board to draft like they did and neglect line depth put them in this hole.

The team is good at managing the cap I will give them that but at the end of the day they are clueless in most other aspects. Revolving coaches, throwing away drfat picks, completely disregarding positions of need in the draft, spending big $$ on aging FA. The list goes on.

Thank god we have Jones running the show and not the midget.

I won't deny that Snyder is probably deluded about the prospects for his team. I don't mind optimism however. Never have. Not even from other teams.

I just think they are a better team today than they were yesterday at this same time. That doesn't mean I think they are going anywhere by adding Taylor.

 

[superpunk]

At one time Fred Taylor was considered frail too. Players do shed labels form time to time.

It's a valid point, but so is mine that they have players who could learn from Taylor. Will he learn enough? I submit that neither of us know. But the possibility is there.

Fred Taylor couldn't make it through an entire season, but was extremely productive when he did play.

Erasmus James has 31 tackles and 5 sacks in 3 years and 23 games. Not exactly much promise shown, healthy or not. That ship has sailed.

This move is in large part due to their idiotic draft philosophy for 2008. If it works out, that will be good for them for a year or so. For the price, it is a good trade, even though they will probably have to extend him and make their situation even worse.

I see very little reason to laud reactionary moves like this. They're doing the best they can with the hand they were dealt, or dealt themselves.

 

[Hostile]

Drunks usually are.

That was just as funny.

 

[Boysboy]

They were doomed loooong before Daniels going down. It started with GW going to Jacksonville, JZ being hired with absolutely ZERO HC experience, drafting 3 recievers with their first 3 picks, their old and often hurt Oline, the passing of ST, and I could go on and on.. Trust, it didn't start with Daniels....

They actually had that big Miami DE in their laps(Campbell). They also had Trevor Laws in their laps as well.

I too was dumbfounded why took 2 receivers and a TE in the 2nd, when they already had Cooley and Yoder with the latter position.

 

[InmanRoshi]

If his back is healed, you're absolutely right. If it's not better, they got a decent pass rusher who you can run over all day long. Time will tell.

And they're playing him strong side. This is someone who typically drops into the 220-225 range by December. Good luck holding up against the RT and TE doubleteams at the point of attack in the running game and keeping your legs fresh enough to rush the passer. Of course, if you just retreat against the run like Taylor typically does, that's one way to preserve energy.

I'm sure the back is healed nicely after an entire offseason of putting on sequins and spandex outfits all offseason.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Drunks usually are.

I can't keep up w/ you redneck, inbred, skin fans in that department