Commanders | Team deep at wide receiver

[Sonny#9]

It's a dangerous unit, what can you say? Fortunately, we've got a group of corners that is every bit better than their group of WRs. If we can handle Portis, I don't see alot of problems.

Right b/c they vaunted Cowboys secondary did a bang up job against Moss alone last year...

 

[Hostile]

Missed those posts then. I personally am a fan of the speedsters- the Santana Moss and Steve Smiths of the league.

I like these guys too, but would prefer them as a #2 option. Give me a Michael Irvin hard to bring down type with good hands. It's one of the reasons why I think Randy Moss is the best WR in the NFL. He can fly, has great hands, and can leap.

Anyways, I looked up the heights of the Colts and Skin's recievers.

Santana Moss 5'10, 190 lbs.
Brandon Lloyd 6'0, 192 lbs.
Antwaan Randle El 5'10, 192 lbs.

Marvin Harrison 6'0, 175 lbs.
Reggie Wayne 6'0, 198 lbs.
Brandon Stokely 5'11, 197 lbs.

The Colts have a slight advantage in height, but they still prove the point that an undersized WR Corps can get the job done.

Again, if they have hands. The Colts guys don't drop much thrown at them and Manning puts it where it is supposed to be.

All it takes is for a couple of passes through the WRs hands into the defender's hands to screw up your QB's faith in him.

Hos, I agree with you that most Skins fans over here will fail to see any praise that is offered to them, and would rather go for the throat after seeing a negative comment. Most of the Boys fans over here, however, also have a difficult time acknowledging the points the Skins fans make.

Too many Skins fans come here with a chip on their shoulder instead of a smile on their face.

Too many Cowboys fans enjoy the chip.

Here's my example. All the Boys fans talk down on Lloyd and Randle El, saying they're going to suck, and certainly not live up to their contracts. While no one can predict the future, these are respectable opinions.

I wanted Randle El here, but as a 3rd option when I knew Key was not coming back and we were stuck with Owens. I wouldn't have called him a savior here any more than I do there. He'll help. No doubt about that and I've said so.

However, last year we had a nonexistant recieving corps beyond Santana Moss. Three fourths of the way through the season Moss was seeing double and triple coverage all game long. While many people may not be sold on Lloyd and Randle El, they are certainly proven enough to attract some attention on the field, and have some balls thrown their way.

I don't think any Cowboys fan has denied you've improved. I think a bunch of us do not give you a top 5 WR corps. Therein lies the difference. I said it before, Give me Randy Moss over all 4 of your guys after Santana. Having 2 top notch WRs is more dangerous than having 1 top notch WR and 3 guys who can contribute. IMO.

That fact alone, is enough to convince me that the offense will be at least somewhat improved.

It will be unless as I said teams create some takeaways. Is it enough? Have the Skins done enough. I don't think so. JMO.

 

[Kevin]

Righteous post, Hos. It's calm debates like this that really make you starve for the season.

 

[Sonny#9]

yeah. I must agree with this article. Commanders do have a stacked wide receiver core. They have one of the best wide receiver cores in the NFL behind the Dallas Cowboys.

Randle El -vs- Terry Glenn -vs- Roy Williams -vs.- Aquan Boldin = Terry Glenn
S. Moss- vs- Terrell Owens -vs- Charles Rogers -vs.- Larry Fitzgerald = T.O.
Givens- vs.- Patrick Crayton -vs.- Mike Williams -vs.- Bryant Johnson = PC
Thrash - vs. - Skyler Green -vs.- Corey Bradford - vs. - Laroy Mccoy = Bradford
Loyld - vs.- Miles Austin - vs. - Eddie Drummond-vs.- Carlyle Holiday = Loyld

*BONUS*

Chris Cooley -vs.- Jason Witten -vs.- Marcus Pollard -vs.- Eric Edwards = Jason Witten



So who have a better Wide Receiver Core? Dallas Cowboys

Dude are you serious? Anquan Boldin had 100 catches and 1400 yards last year - and you're saying Terry Glenn is better?

I will take Santana Moss and Larry Fitzgerald over TO any day - neither one of them has destroyed 2 teams...the Cowboys time will come. I am not saying TO isn't good - just for the record - Moss had a break out year last year and Fitzgerald has the same amount talent only much younger.

It's readily apparent you know nothing about any of the other players you named and are just saying the Cowboys players are better b/c they're Cowboys.

 

[superpunk]

You're arguing based on personal feelings. That's all fine and dandy but the truth remains that Lloyd has been the first option in the passing game his entire career with the 49ers. Teams were able to throw their #1 CB on him and even double him. That won't be the case here as teams will be forced to throw their #2 and #3 DB on him. If he doesn't fourish given that opportunity then I'll be screaming bust in 2-3 seasons.

C'mon. This is a guy who was let got from - that's right - the 49ers, a team starved for talent, that went after Antonio freaking Bryant rather than retain Lloyd. There are very few teams in the league whose #2 CB can't handle Lloyd nicely. The mere fact that he will probably have half the opportunities kind of signifies there will be a drop in production, which wasn't that hot to begin with, don't you think?

And it has nothing to do with eprsonal feelings - I was one of the first ones in this thread defending the Skins unit of pass-catchers as one of the top 10 in the league. That has most to do with moss/cooley, but there have been upgrades with El and Lloyd, there's no denying that. I don't think the upgrades are a huge deal, though.

 

[illone]

It's readily apparent you know nothing about any of the other players you named and are just saying the Cowboys players are better b/c they're Cowboys.

Did he just type that Glenn is better than Boldin?

Wow.

 

[superpunk]

Right b/c they vaunted Cowboys secondary did a bang up job against Moss alone last year...

OMGZ!!!! How could I have been so stupid. You're right. The Commanders WR corp totally r0xx0rs!!!!!They are teh awesome, because, because, you like them!!!! Noone stands a chance. OMGZLOLers PWN3d!!!!!!eleventy-one!!!!1-1!!!!

 

[Hostile]

Right b/c they vaunted Cowboys secondary did a bang up job against Moss alone last year...

This is by far the most overplayed, boring, cliche' attempt at smack talk I have ever encountered. It's like 2005's sweep was the grandest thing that ever happened and 1 guy did it all.

Give it a rest, it's so tired the eyes are no longer bloodshot, they're freaking bleeding.

 

[Hostile]

Did he just type that Glenn is better than Boldin?

Wow.

Pop quiz..

How many on this site agreed with him?









Exactly. Consider the source and catalog that for future consideration.




That's good advice.

 

[superpunk]

This is by far the most overplayed, boring, cliche' attempt at smack talk I have ever encountered. It's like 2005's sweep was the grandest thing that ever happened and 1 guy did it all.

Give it a rest, it's so tired the eyes are no longer bloodshot, they're freaking bleeding.

amen.

 

[Sonny#9]

C'mon. This is a guy who was let got from - that's right - the 49ers, a team starved for talent, that went after Antonio freaking Bryant rather than retain Lloyd.

I will give you the 9ers are starved for talent - but they are also a poorly run organization now and I really believe theya re going to regret letting Lloyd walk. Besides weren't people people saying the same things about Moss last year?

There are very few teams in the league whose #2 CB can't handle Lloyd nicely.

How did Anthony Henry do against him?

The mere fact that he will probably have half the opportunities kind of signifies there will be a drop in production, which wasn't that hot to begin with, don't you think?

He will receive less attention, and won't have Alex Smith throwing to him. I don't think a 50 catch, 900 yrd, 7TD season is out of the question

And it has nothing to do with eprsonal feelings - I was one of the first ones in this thread defending the Skins unit of pass-catchers as one of the top 10 in the league. That has most to do with moss/cooley, but there have been upgrades with El and Lloyd, there's no denying that. I don't think the upgrades are a huge deal, though.

Considering what the Skins did with a cheese sandwich and a bag od chips across from Moss last year - I would say the upgrades are a big deal.

To put it this way: I like the Skins upgrades to the receiver corps a lot more than the Cowboys upgrades to their line.

 

[superpunk]

Did he just type that Glenn is better than Boldin?

Wow.

Did a skins fan just try to play some twisted form of good cop-bad cop on a Cowboys forum?

Wow.

 

[illone]

I don't think the upgrades are a huge deal, though.

Of course you wouldn't. I'm sure you didn't think the addition of Moss would be a big deal either and we all saw how that turned out.

If you compare the Skins against the 49ers we are superior in every category offensively. Even QB. I'm not saying we're going to have a repeat with Lloyd in the same fashion as Moss, but the potential is there. Moss has already been quoted as saying he hasn't felt this much competition at receiver since he was in College. That's a good sign.

 

[Sonny#9]

This is by far the most overplayed, boring, cliche' attempt at smack talk I have ever encountered. It's like 2005's sweep was the grandest thing that ever happened and 1 guy did it all.

Give it a rest, it's so tired the eyes are no longer bloodshot, they're freaking bleeding.

He made the comment about the Cowboys secondary being able to handle the Skins receivers...so far they haven't.

Besides how long have we Skins fans had to listen to Cowboys fans go on and on about the same thing?

 

[ravidubey]

Let's say Lloyd sucks. 30 catches. Same for Randle El. Somehow he crawls in a shell, hides under a rock, and doesn't do the exact same thing he's done for 4 years. 25 catches like the above poster predicted. That's 55 more catches for the Skins offense. Much better than our #2 receiver last year.

Nobody is predicting this group to be the second coming. We are predicting improvement over last season.

What is so hard to understand about that?

The money spent and hype put forth is not in proportion to the real gain. Washington added depth, but did not seriously upgrade a position that needed an upgrade. Their WR corps aren't Philadelphia-bad by any stretch-- they have Moss after all-- but they could have gotten much better had they signed Joe Jurevicius, Terrell Owens, or Keyshawn Johnson. Instead they spent big cash on a couple of 2nd and 3rd tier guys.

Moss and Cooley had breakout seasons, Brunell had his best year, and the OL played without serious injury until late in the season. Washington needed guys that could allow Moss to break double teams and create a safety net for Brunell. Instead now Brunell is forced to maintain his previous best year while throwing accurate passes to three small targets (or throw to Cooley).

Everyone will have game film on Moss and Cooley this year, they'll sneak up on no one (especially Roy Williams). Can Lloyd and Randle El really take Washington's pass offense to the next level?

 

[illone]

Pop quiz..

How many on this site agreed with him?

Exactly. Consider the source and catalog that for future consideration.

That's good advice.

Well, I didn't read the entire thread. Read the initial post and when I saw the post about Glenn vs. Boldin I laughed out loud.

 

[superpunk]

I will give you the 9ers are starved for talent - but they are also a poorly run organization now and I really believe theya re going to regret letting Lloyd walk. Besides weren't people people saying the same things about Moss last year?

no.

How did Anthony Henry do against him?

I don't know. How did the other 12 corners who held him under 50 yards and 0 TDs do against him?

He will receive less attention, and won't have Alex Smith throwing to him. I don't think a 50 catch, 900 yrd, 7TD season is out of the question

Oh sure, I can see that. Even though he's never accomplished that as a #1, he's going to nearly double his standard output while getting half the opportunities.

Makes perfect sense.

In a looney bin, maybe.

To put it this way: I like the Skins upgrades to the receiver corps a lot more than the Cowboys upgrades to their line.

I'm supposed to be shocked at this irrelevant nugget?

 

[illone]

The money spent and hype put forth is not in proportion to the real gain.

This is pure speculation. That would be like me saying you spent too high a draft pick on Carpenter.

Well, that has yet to be seen, doesn't it?

 

[Sonny#9]

OMGZ!!!! How could I have been so stupid. You're right. The Commanders WR corp totally r0xx0rs!!!!!They are teh awesome, because, because, you like them!!!! Noone stands a chance. OMGZLOLers PWN3d!!!!!!eleventy-one!!!!1-1!!!!

Nice, intelligent response.

You said your corners can handle our receivers. On simple question - have they?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Let's see....I'd say that these teams have a better WR corps:
Top Tier (in no particular order):
Indy
Dallas
Oakland
Arizona
Detroit
Cincy
Carolina

Middle Tier:
Wash
NYG
Miami
Houston
Tampa
Denver

yes, they're good overall but definitely not "elite". If they would've added someone like Key or Plax then yes, they'd be in the top tier and maybe "elite". Lloyd and El don't quite fit that bill though.

I wouldn't put detroit in that group. they haven't done jack.