Commanders | Team deep at wide receiver

[Kevin]

He made the comment about the Cowboys secondary being able to handle the Skins receivers...so far they haven't.

Besides how long have we Skins fans had to listen to Cowboys fans go on and on about the same thing?

Yeah, but coming onto a Cowboys board and and down talking them is simply a bad idea. You may not be trolling, but it's still quite annoying to the inhabitants of the board. No matter what, fans of their team don't like to hear things that aren't positive towards their team. We're the same way on ES- if a Cowboys fan comes over there and talks about the Cowboys, everyone is on his back in a second. It's the same way here- it's simply the way of the message board.

 

[illone]

Everyone will have game film on Moss and Cooley this year, they'll sneak up on no one (especially Roy Williams). Can Lloyd and Randle El really take Washington's pass offense to the next level?

Does the same game flim apply to Cowboys players or is that a typical one sided Cowboy fan argument that only applies to other teams?

 

[superpunk]

Of course you wouldn't. I'm sure you didn't think the addition of Moss would be a big deal either and we all saw how that turned out.

If you compare the Skins against the 49ers we are superior in every category offensively. Even QB. I'm not saying we're going to have a repeat with Lloyd in the same fashion as Moss, but the potential is there. Moss has already been quoted as saying he hasn't felt this much competition at receiver since he was in College. That's a good sign.

Somehow you still can't see that he's not going to get half the opportunities he had in SF. Lloyd has never caught more than 48% of the passes thrown his way, even when he was playing with Terrell Owens on his team, a receiver who's a bit better than Santana Moss.

But donning the mustard & ketchup is supposed to change all that? Just like it made Patten so much better, right?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The rest of the world sees how potent we'll be yet somehow the Cowboys are still better.

I love how Randle El caught 35 passes last year as the third option on a team that threw the ball less than anyone, yet somehow he's only good enough for 25 catches in a offense that throws first to set up the run.

Amazing.

as the 3rd option? I thought he was the starting WR and the second option? did I miss something or are you guys making things up as usual?

 

[Hostile]

Of course you wouldn't. I'm sure you didn't think the addition of Moss would be a big deal either and we all saw how that turned out.

If you compare the Skins against the 49ers we are superior in every category offensively. Even QB. I'm not saying we're going to have a repeat with Lloyd in the same fashion as Moss, but the potential is there. Moss has already been quoted as saying he hasn't felt this much competition at receiver since he was in College. That's a good sign.

I'll admit it. I thought Coles for Moss was a bad trade. I was wrong and have said so. I do ask you to remember that the argument you are using for Lloyd applies to Coles now too. Maybe that trade will balance out a little more down the road. 1 year is awfully presumptuous. It's a good way to have a cold shower though. Ask Al Davis how he enjoyed the 2 Super Bowl MVPs he acquired in Free Agency.

If Lloyd does what you say I'll admit it then too. Until then my skepticism and cynacism remains intact. For good reason.

 

[Hostile]

Well, I didn't read the entire thread. Read the initial post and when I saw the post about Glenn vs. Boldin I laughed out loud.

So did most of us, but we're on more familiar terms.

Like I said, good advice.

 

[superpunk]

Nice, intelligent response.

You give what you get.

 

[superpunk]

Does the same game flim apply to Cowboys players or is that a typical one sided Cowboy fan argument that only applies to other teams?

Noone's begging you to stick around, sparky.

 

[Sonny#9]

no.

Yes - the Commanders were taking a pummelling for the Coles-for-Moss deal.

I don't know. How did the other 12 corners who held him under 50 yards and 0 TDs do against him?

So Anthony Henry did what against him?

Oh sure, I can see that. Even though he's never accomplished that as a #1, he's going to nearly double his standard output while getting half the opportunities.

He's not a number one. He had approx 800 yrds, and 5TDs last year so it isn't that big of a jump. There is a big difference having a 1st year QB throwing the ball, and a veteran. There is a big difference between Mike Nolan coaching a team and Joe Gibbs and Al Saunders

Makes perfect sense.

In a looney bin, maybe.

I'd have to take your word on the logic of asylum inmates, I really don't have any experience with that.

And the comment about the Skins receivers/Cowboys O-line was they were the respective teams biggest weaknesses last year. I believe the Commanders made the better moves to address their weakness.

 

[Hostile]

Nice, intelligent response.

You said your corners can handle our receivers. On simple question - have they?

One simple question.

Do things remain in stasis every season or are results more fluid than you're acting?

Translation, 2 games does not prove enough for how hard you're acting the rooster on this.

 

[1fisher]

Yeah, but coming onto a Cowboys board and and down talking them is simply a bad idea. You may not be trolling, but it's still quite annoying to the inhabitants of the board. No matter what, fans of their team don't like to hear things that aren't positive towards their team. We're the same way on ES- if a Cowboys fan comes over there and talks about the Cowboys, everyone is on his back in a second. It's the same way here- it's simply the way of the message board.

you got that right Kev.... I've been banned there three times for trying to make a little sense! I got called everyname in the book and just because I didn't "tow the company line" (or kiss the mods butt) I got banned! Our mods don't seem to have the "hair trigger".... they just shut the trolls up with facts!

 

[Hostile]

Yeah, but coming onto a Cowboys board and and down talking them is simply a bad idea. You may not be trolling, but it's still quite annoying to the inhabitants of the board. No matter what, fans of their team don't like to hear things that aren't positive towards their team. We're the same way on ES- if a Cowboys fan comes over there and talks about the Cowboys, everyone is on his back in a second. It's the same way here- it's simply the way of the message board.

Bravo.

Author, author.

 

[big dog cowboy]

You're arguing based on personal feelings. That's all fine and dandy but the truth remains that Lloyd has been the first option in the passing game his entire career with the 49ers.

Try the only option. Especially recently.

 

[superpunk]

Yes - the Commanders were taking a pummelling for the Coles-for-Moss deal.

That's not what you asked originally, now was it? You said weren't people saying the same thing about Moss? No, they weren't. They killed the deal, and it was a bad deal no matter the result.

So Anthony Henry did what against him?

Obviously single game performances mean alot to you. Not surprising, coming from a fan base that has had to support the great Doug Williams and Timmy Smith.

He had approx 800 yrds,

Sure. Lets round 733 to 800, now.

There is a big difference having a 1st year QB throwing the ball, and a veteran. There is a big difference between Mike Nolan coaching a team and Joe Gibbs and Al Saunders

Definitely. Too bad Lloyd couldn't manage to hold onto more than 47% of the passes coming his way while playing with Jeff Garcia and for Steve Marriuci.

 

[Sonny#9]

One simple question.

Do things remain in stasis every season or are results more fluid than you're acting?

Translation, 2 games does not prove enough for how hard you're acting the rooster on this.

My point is, the Cowboys secondary had trouble with Moss and Cooley and NFL Europe cast-offs...it logically goes to say that now that they have improved that area, the Cowboys secondary will still stuggle. Yes, one year is too small of a sample to really say for certain, but it is all there is for right now.

Besides, it's the day before the 4th of July, I'm stuck at work...and I loves me a good argument.

 

[big dog cowboy]

In the first game in your house we didn't do jack against you. But in the 35-7 game Portis had over 100 yards and a 4.9 avg.

Probably our worst game of the year. Taking that into consideration, it kind of waters down your argument. Hell, T-Ham in ARZ would have had a great game against us that day.

 

[superpunk]

My point is, the Cowboys secondary had trouble with Moss and Cooley and NFL Europe cast-offs...it logically goes to say that now that they have improved that area, the Cowboys secondary will still stuggle. Yes, one year is too small of a sample to really say for certain, but it is all there is for right now.

Besides, it's the day before the 4th of July, I'm stuck at work...and I loves me a good argument.

Again ignoring the other 14 games the played.

Question....How much better do you think the Skins secondary is that the Cowboys?

 

[Sonny#9]

Yeah, but coming onto a Cowboys board and and down talking them is simply a bad idea. You may not be trolling, but it's still quite annoying to the inhabitants of the board. No matter what, fans of their team don't like to hear things that aren't positive towards their team. We're the same way on ES- if a Cowboys fan comes over there and talks about the Cowboys, everyone is on his back in a second. It's the same way here- it's simply the way of the message board.

Right - I expect this kind of response - I love it. It's what makes the rivalry so good.

 

[illone]

Probably our worst game of the year. Taking that into consideration, it kind of waters down your argument. Hell, T-Ham in ARZ would have had a great game against us that day.

How does it water down my argument?

I originally stated that our improved receiving corps would have an effect on our running game. You suggested that Portis didn't do anything special against the Cowboys. My point was that he had a great season regardless of his production against the Cowboys.

 

[Sonny#9]

Again ignoring the other 14 games the played.

Question....How much better do you think the Skins secondary is that the Cowboys?

I'd say they're about equal.

I am going to give the Cowboys defense credit this year - I like their draft and would not mind having Ware...I am not thrilled with Newman, but I think he is one of the best in the NFC East.

But again, what you have failed to refute, is the Cowboys have the same secondary and the same defensive coordinator will be facing the Commanders with a better o-coordinator with better receivers than the ones that ripped the Cowboys a new one last year. Will it happen? We'll find out. But I have a lot more evidence to back my my reasoning.

What reasons have you given other than blind loyalty, which I don't fault at all, to the Cowboys secondary being better than the Commanders receivers?