Signed by Cowboys Cowboys and Martin reach deal. Zack Martin ends holdout

Rayman70

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The extra 4m per year certainly isn’t meh…that’s for sure. Big time meh to those who said holdouts don’t work tho ;)
It worked if we get to a SB. Otherwise, nobody wins. This so called victory will be way forgotten. The only win was the reworked deal is now fully guaranteed. Money was moved,not added. Years were added. It was a Jerry Jones slight of hand trick.
 

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Andrew Whitworth played at an elite level until 40. If you knew Zach could play 6 more years at his current level, are you complaining? I think Zach has 4-5 more good years in him.
Absolutely not complaining. Zack is worth every penny. I'm neutral on this. Just my observation is, it appears they let Zack have the win on this. But really what it is, was a moving of money, adding of years to the existing deal,then they fully guaranteed it. What stuns me is many behaving like Jerry let him sit out there unsigned or something. The guy was already under contract. I know this much,those celebrating because Zack somehow beat the man on this better be careful. Because now if he isn't the missing super bowl piece, then what? That's all I heard during this hold out. Allegedly, a 33 year old guard is our ticket to the big dance. Ok guys, let's see.
 

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Probably not but we had no chance without him. That OL is crucial.
Not this crucial. Our SB hopes lie with a 33 year old guard? That's a hard sell. I love Zack Martin and now he better be the missing piece in this SB equation. That's all I know. He won in the sense his deal is now fully guaranteed. Years were added,money moved. Both sides win. Cap is largely unaffected. I'm not ready to do jumping jacks over extending a 33 year old guard just yet,as great as he is. But I am glad the drama is over.
 

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Yep. Love the player but business is business and deserving or not this just continues the precedent Zeke had already called Jerry's bluff on. This is discouraging that others will see that they too can hold out and Jerry will cave.

So is he deserving based on performance? Yes

Does this further illustrate that multi year contracts with the Dallas front office can be ignored, held out on or not honored as early as 2 years prior?

Unfortunately, yes.
A double edged sword in this case.
LOL. You are funny.

Do you think Jerry does this with someone not named Zack Martin on this team? Probably 3 guys that Jerry would have done this for. Stop being dramatic.
 

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That wasn’t so hard. What many of us had argued for . A raise for final 2 years of current contract . That 4-5 million raise should more than take care of the fines .

2023 season is still on.
 

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That wasn’t so hard. What many of us had argued for . A raise for final 2 years of current contract . That 4-5 million raise should more than take care of the fines .

2023 season is still on.
Jerrys the one that made it a big issue. All the negotiations should have been done behind the scenes. He was trying to put player against player and fan against fan. Anything to keep the Cowboys in the news.
 

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Maybe. Never really lived up to his draft pick. I would be OK if they really went for a stud.
There will be no stud. They are content with Smith Smith Biadasz Martin and Steele.

They are planning on future deals which include Steele.

Would we love a stud guard? Hell yeah.

history says Dallas does not do free agency and when they get a guy it’s an aging vet with a contract that runs out.

That is why an older vet, off injury, for cheap is more of their thing.
 

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It worked if we get to a SB. Otherwise, nobody wins. This so called victory will be way forgotten. The only win was the reworked deal is now fully guaranteed. Money was moved,not added. Years were added. It was a Jerry Jones slight of hand trick.
Haha no that’s not how it works. Super Bowls are team accomplishments. Player contracts are individual compensation based on performance based results. Martin has consistently been one of if not the best at his position in the league.

“The only win”?… he got a raise - a significant one. He was due 28m before he’s due 36 now. Stop with the pretzel logic and goal post moving. He held out, he got more money. He executed his leverage and he was the benefactor of it - you were wrong.

It’s ok. It happens.
 

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Absolutely not complaining. Zack is worth every penny. I'm neutral on this. Just my observation is, it appears they let Zack have the win on this. But really what it is, was a moving of money, adding of years to the existing deal,then they fully guaranteed it. What stuns me is many behaving like Jerry let him sit out there unsigned or something. The guy was already under contract. I know this much,those celebrating because Zack somehow beat the man on this better be careful. Because now if he isn't the missing super bowl piece, then what? That's all I heard during this hold out. Allegedly, a 33 year old guard is our ticket to the big dance. Ok guys, let's see.
Who cares who gets the "win"?

LOL at blaming Martin if the team doesn't make the SB. You Jerry boys are an odd bunch.
 

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Haha no that’s not how it works. Super Bowls are team accomplishments. Player contracts are individual compensation based on performance based results. Martin has consistently been one of if not the best at his position in the league.

“The only win”?… he got a raise - a significant one. He was due 28m before he’s due 36 now. Stop with the pretzel logic and goal post moving. He held out, he got more money. He executed his leverage and he was the benefactor of it - you were wrong.

It’s ok. It happens.
Yup.

Here's what should have been obvious to any Cowboys fan. Does Martin playing guarantee you a SB? No. Other than a QB, no one player can have that kind of impact. But that's not the question one needed to ask. The question should have been can we win a SB if Martin isn't there?

That answer was/is an obvious no. Martin is the key to the entire OL. You remove him, this OL goes to mediocre real quick and can't win a SB.
 

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He didn't roll over really. They just did a magic trick with the remainder of the money on the current deal. Nobody caved. The new deal is same as the old deal but extended. That's the difference
How do you figure there is no new money? Possibly I misread, but from what I read there is additional money.
 

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on paper it worked and he got more money technically. The devil is in the details. BTW Holdouts are a nasty way to do business when a guy has a signed deal with years remaining. It doesn't always work. Fact is, hes still on the same deal. Money was simply moved from the added years via extension then handed to him like a bonus. Lets call it a raise. But whatever.
Now I get what you are trying to say but it is likely incorrect. The dead money at the end of the deal (2025 and 2026) before his contract was restructured this week was not cash to be paid out in a future year, but rather just the allocation of a previously paid restructure bonus for cap purposes (bonuses can be split over up to 5 years for cap purposes). This is in addition to that and that did not go away. It's just clearly additional money he will be paid. We should find out exactly what they did soon to see how this was structured and what the impact by year is.

edit: My guess is at least this years "raise" will be paid as a bonus and split over the life of the contract or 4 years. Next year may be paid as additional base salary and this time next year will be converted to a bonus and split over the remaining 3 years. Doing this would add almost nothing to this years cap.
 
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Piggy got more money and the teams chances to win got reduced. Our "stars" get what they want and Jerry is the big man running the show. Win win for everyone but the fans of the team.
 

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No, what would have reduced our chances to win would be not having our best offensive player when the games begin
Him playing under his original contract would have been best for the team. If our best offensive player is our RG then we are already screwed. We pay our QB 40 million per year. He needs to be our best player. Players holding the team hostage for more money and the Owner caving in every time does not make the team better.
 

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How early in that preseason game do you think the Joneses were on the phone to his agent?
 
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I will be watching piggy closely this year. He better not be dragging himself up off the ground after plays. He better be knocking guys on their butts. This team spends future cap dollars like it is Joe Montana is a Cowboy and it is his final season.
 

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Kinda funny how Jerry caved to what Zach wanted. Jerrys front office always caves.
They all do unless it's a player they feel they can do without or no longer really want. Just like they cave to some players, they also force other players to take a pay cut or be released. It's part of the game.

Do we not think Baltimore caved to Lamar Jackson? The Ravens didn't want to make him the highest-paid player in NFL history or guarantee him $185 million, but that's what it took.
 
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