Cowboys looking to trade for more picks...

[L-O-Jete]

Tell that to the Patriots

Of course, if you don't draft the right players it won't matter anyway.

The Pats drafting record hasn't been so stellar lately, it's just covered up by the multiple picks they've garnered.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Impact players, not positions. Example: Today I would say it is better to draft a lineman in the first round that can be a guaranteed starter for years to come over two mid to late round lineman who may or may not be able to start (backups).

Trading back to get the extra lineman usually means you don't have a real starter. I prefer to build the team through the draft with the best players possible (higher the draft pick the better).

A few years ago they deployed the more players draft, we drafted 12 players who were of no benefit to the team. That draft may go down as the worst draft in franchise history. I say trade up and go for real starters...I don't care if we only draft 3 players...as long as they can be starters and contribute.

Well, which lineman is that going to be?

 

[KJJ]

How many "good" players do the Cowboys currently have on their roster that were acquired via a trade down on draft day? The best players on the team consist of 2 undrafted free agents who came with no risk that the Cowboys were smart enough to hang onto and the rest of the corp group consists of players the Cowboys either traded up for or stayed pat.

It's silly to point out that the Pats have had success trading down that's a well organized team that has a HOF head coach and an owner who's hires qualified people who know what they're doing to run his team. There's a reason they compete for SB's every year.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Trading down needs to be situational. If we are trading down before we are on the clock then it is a mistake. If you are sure that one of a couple of players you are good with and rated similarly and you get a good deal then that is another thing.

It's a case by case basis.

If we are trading quality picks in next years draft for inferior picks in this years draft or even worse to move up a couple of slots then I will be very unhappy. It's hard to pick what to believe and what not to believe at this time of year.

 

[KJJ]

So far no one has come up with any "good" players that are currently on the roster that were acquired via a trade down on draft day. Can anyone name any "good" players that are currently on the roster that were acquired from the draft picks the Cowboys (Jerry) got for trading down? It's pretty clear that trading down for more picks hasn't worked out for Jerry. The players he trades down for never pan out and the picks he gets in return never pan out.

When Jerry trades down it's a result of him not being thrilled with any of the players that are on the board and decides to move down to get an extra pick to increase his chances of hitting on a player. That formula has repeatedly failed as it did throughout the entire 09 draft. Jerry's best drafting success has come when he knows he has a good player sitting there and stays pat or decides to trade up to get them. He stayed pat for Witten, Ware and Murray and traded up for Spencer, Dez and Lee. The best players Jerry has selected over the years didn't come from trade downs and the picks he got in return.

Go through the list of "good" players that have helped the Cowboys win games over the past decade and see how many were acquired via a trade down and the draft picks that were attached to them. Trade downs have cost Jerry a lot of very good players that could have been Cowboys.

 

[visionary]

So far no one has come up with any "good" players that are currently on the roster that were acquired via a trade down on draft day. Can anyone name any "good" players that are currently on the roster that were acquired from the draft picks the Cowboys (Jerry) got for trading down? It's pretty clear that trading down for more picks hasn't worked out for Jerry. The players he trades down for never pan out and the picks he gets in return never pan out.

When Jerry trades down it's a result of him not being thrilled with any of the players that are on the board and decides to move down to get an extra pick to increase his chances of hitting on a player. That formula has repeatedly failed as it did throughout the entire 09 draft. Jerry's best drafting success has come when he knows he has a good player sitting there and stays pat or decides to trade up to get them. He stayed pat for Witten, Ware and Murray and traded up for Spencer, Dez and Lee. The best players Jerry has selected over the years didn't come from trade downs and the picks he got in return.

Go through the list of "good" players that have helped the Cowboys win games over the past decade and see how many were acquired via a trade down and the draft picks that were attached to them. Trade downs have cost Jerry a lot of very good players that could have been Cowboys.

But you are not being fair

You are only looking at his GM record over only 17 years

No one can make good picks with trade downs in only 17 years

Give him more time

 

[Nightman]

So far no one has come up with any "good" players that are currently on the roster that were acquired via a trade down on draft day. Can anyone name any "good" players that are currently on the roster that were acquired from the draft picks the Cowboys (Jerry) got for trading down? It's pretty clear that trading down for more picks hasn't worked out for Jerry. The players he trades down for never pan out and the picks he gets in return never pan out.

When Jerry trades down it's a result of him not being thrilled with any of the players that are on the board and decides to move down to get an extra pick to increase his chances of hitting on a player. That formula has repeatedly failed as it did throughout the entire 09 draft. Jerry's best drafting success has come when he knows he has a good player sitting there and stays pat or decides to trade up to get them. He stayed pat for Witten, Ware and Murray and traded up for Spencer, Dez and Lee. The best players Jerry has selected over the years didn't come from trade downs and the picks he got in return.

Go through the list of "good" players that have helped the Cowboys win games over the past decade and see how many were acquired via a trade down and the draft picks that were attached to them. Trade downs have cost Jerry a lot of very good players that could have been Cowboys.

You could say Dallas used the extra pick from Buffalo to pick DeMarcus Ware, since most people wanted Spears first in 2005. They also went back and got Spencer with the extra picks they got from CLE in 2007. And getting Felix Jones and Mike Jenkns in 2008 wasn't a home run, but they were consistent performers, though injury prone during their 5 years. Trading back can and has worked before.

 

[KJJ]

You could say Dallas used the extra pick from Buffalo to pick DeMarcus Ware, since most people wanted Spears first in 2005. They also went back and got Spencer with the extra picks they got from CLE in 2007. And getting Felix Jones and Mike Jenkns in 2008 wasn't a home run, but they were consistent performers, though injury prone during their 5 years. Trading back can and has worked before.

Jerry's had success trading for "future" picks (high picks) that's how he (Jimmy) built the great 90's teams but he hasn't had success trading down and selecting players during current drafts. Hard to find corner stones in the 5th, 6th and 7th rounds. The Cowboys used at least one pick they got from Cleveland to move back into the first round to select Spencer. They traded a 2nd, 3rd and 5th to Philly to make that trade. The point is Jerry traded "up" for Spencer not down.

If you're trading back and picking up a teams #1 the following year that usually works out pretty good for most teams even Jerry's had success with those. It's these trade downs that are only amounting to 5th, 6th and 7th round picks in the current draft that are blowing up in Jerry's face.

I've lost track of how many trade downs Jerry has made that helped him accumulate a bunch of 6th and 7th round draft picks. The odds on striking gold or even silver aren't real high in those rounds. Once you get to the 4th round the draft becomes a real crapshoot you're throwing darts at that point.

 

[Nightman]

Jerry's had success trading for "future" picks (high picks) that's how he (Jimmy) built the great 90's teams but he hasn't had success trading down and selecting players during current drafts. Hard to find corner stones in the 5th, 6th and 7th rounds. The Cowboys used at least one pick they got from Cleveland to move back into the first round to select Spencer. They traded a 2nd, 3rd and 5th to Philly to make that trade. The point is Jerry traded "up" for Spencer not down.

If you're trading back and picking up a teams #1 the following year that usually works out pretty good for most teams even Jerry's had success with those. It's these trade downs that are only amounting to 5th, 6th and 7th round picks in the current draft that are blowing up in Jerry's face.

I've lost track of how many trade downs Jerry has made that helped him accumulate a bunch of 6th and 7th round draft picks. The odds on striking gold or even silver aren't real high in those rounds. Once you get to the 4th round the draft becomes a real crapshoot you're throwing darts at that point.

I don't think anyone is advocating for those types of trades. They are talking about giving up our first and getting a first and third or 2 2nds. Those 6th and 7th trades are usually garbage.

 

[Alexander]

Agree. Trading down was not the real problem with the 2009 draft.

The mentality of the organization was the problem.

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His explanation starts at the 1:40 mark.

I do not care if the pick is in the first or the seventh round, you need to have the idea that player could possibly be more than a backup.

 

[KJJ]

I don't think anyone is advocating for those types of trades. They are talking about giving up our first and getting a first and third or 2 2nds. Those 6th and 7th trades are usually garbage.

As weak as this draft is at the top at least according to most of the draft experts I doubt anyone will be offering their #1 and a #3 or two #2's to move up to #18. It's unlikely a team would be willing to kiss off a #3 or #2 which are rounds you could come up with very good players in to move up and grab a caliber of player at #18 that could be had if they stayed pat. Sure a team could be intrigued with a player and be willing to trade their #1 and a #3 or #2 to move up but if so maybe that's a player the Cowboys should consider taking.

With players rated so similarly throughout the first round most of the trading will be done later on where all the depth is. If there were at least a couple of really good players currently on the team that were acquired on draft day via a trade down I wouldn't be so opposed to moving down but moving down simply hasn't worked for Jerry. If someone is willing to do the research I'm sure they could compile a pretty sizable list of GOOD players that Jerry has traded down from since 94 and compare it to the list of players he ended up drafting.

 

[Gemini Dolly]

Jeff Sullivan
‏@SullyBaldHead
For the very first time, I honestly believe Tony Romo isn't a mortal lock as the Cowboys starting quarterback, as early as 2013, too.
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Interdasting....

 

[Bluestang]

Jeff Sullivan
‏@SullyBaldHead
For the very first time, I honestly believe Tony Romo isn't a mortal lock as the Cowboys starting quarterback, as early as 2013, too.
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Interdasting....

Next year's crop of QBs are intriguing. This makes me wonder about a few things...

 

[jnday]

Jeff Sullivan
‏@SullyBaldHead
For the very first time, I honestly believe Tony Romo isn't a mortal lock as the Cowboys starting quarterback, as early as 2013, too.
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Interdasting....

Sullivan is a sharp guy. I am beginning to wonder what is really going on behind the scenes. I don't think he is making this stuff up. He knows something and he is in a position to get inside info.

 

[Idgit]

Jeff Sullivan
‏@SullyBaldHead
For the very first time, I honestly believe Tony Romo isn't a mortal lock as the Cowboys starting quarterback, as early as 2013, too.
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Interdasting....

"Thufferin' Thucotash!"

 

[speedkilz88]

Sullivan is a sharp guy. I am beginning to wonder what is really going on behind the scenes. I don't think he is making this stuff up. He knows something and he is in a position to get inside info.

It sounds more like his opinion based on the deal not being done. Similar to his opinion that the Cowboys may trade future picks for this year based on them liking the depth in this draft. Neither which will happen in my opinion.

 

[jnday]

It sounds more like his opinion based on the deal not being done. Similar to his opinion that the Cowboys may trade future picks for this year based on them liking the depth in this draft. Neither which will happen in my opinion.

There is no doubt that it is his opinion. I have to believe that he has a reason to have this opinion. There seems to be conflict between Romo and the Cowboys at some level for him to base his opinion on.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

There is no doubt that it is his opinion. I have to believe that he has a reason to have this opinion. There seems to be conflict between Romo and the Cowboys at some level for him to base his opinion on.

At the end of the day, only Jerry and Stephen know what they know.

 

[SDCowboy]

Jeff Sullivan
‏@SullyBaldHead
For the very first time, I honestly believe Tony Romo isn't a mortal lock as the Cowboys starting quarterback, as early as 2013, too.
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Interdasting....

It's certainly possible Romo could be traded but I just don't think you can get anywhere near what he's worth with only one year left on his contract.

 

[jnday]

At the end of the day, only Jerry and Stephen know what they know.

Even if Romo is resigned, the info will go public at some point. It may be a situation between Romo's agent and the team or it could be as simple as money. Only time will tell.