Cowboys looking to trade for more picks...

[ABQCOWBOY]

Since Jimmy left Jerry traded away from Tony Brackens back in 96 who became a pro bowler for JAX and took Kavika Pittman who went bust. He traded away from Steven Jackson for future picks in 04.

That's a talent evaluation problem. That's not a trade down problem.

Every year, seems like the fan base gets more and more gun shy. We can't trade down because we can't draft players unless they are in the 1st round with any success. We can't afford to let players go because we can't replace them. We can't .............


Good teams find ways to do this. If we are not a good team, then we need to get better at it or we will never be a good team.

 

[Disturbed]

Trading down to get more players with less talent seems like a losers strategy to me. Unless you are 1-15 and have no talent, you should probably try to draft as high as possible to get impact players.

Trading down = Loser

 

[AbeBeta]

Trading down to get more players with less talent seems like a losers strategy to me. Unless you are 1-15 and have no talent, you should probably try to draft as high as possible to get impact players.

Trading down = Loser

Trading down works great if you are looking for the sort of guys that other teams don't value. It worked great for Jimmy Johnson as he was building a D of guys who most teams saw as poor positional fits (tweeners).

But otherwise, trading back really only appeals to the mock draft junkies.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I don't think it's all luck. Certain teams are too good at acquiring talent. I think it has to do with putting together a strategy that the organization uses to acquire talent. Stick to that and believe in that approach and I think it probably helps a lot in being successful.

All too often, it seems like we don't really have a plan, long term. We just draft out of need a lot of times and we seem to be drawn towards the Shinny.

Its not all luck you're right. I should've been clearer....I think it does takte some form of evaluating of talent but its impossible for evaluators to know what player will make that transition to the NFL...Russell Wilson is a prime example of teams being afraid to spend anything higher than a 3rd rounder on him because they didn't think his height would translate into the NFL.


I believe the Cowboys have a plan. They just like everyone else in the league hit or misses on draft picks. Its seems like recently they have decided to draft a certain type of player....Sean Lee, Demarco, Tyron Smith, Bruce Carter, Claiborne, Crawford... all seem like the same type of player...I hope this trend continues because if we are going to have any success in the next few years its gonna be because of how we draft. Another solid draft would do this team wonders.

 

[KJJ]

That's a talent evaluation problem. That's not a trade down problem.

Every year, seems like the fan base gets more and more gun shy. We can't trade down because we can't draft players unless they are in the 1st round with any success. We can't afford to let players go because we can't replace them. We can't .............


Good teams find ways to do this. If we are not a good team, then we need to get better at it or we will never be a good team.

The Cowboys (Jerry) aren't very good at evaluating talent that's why they need to take the best players available. They aren't going to be able to do much in free agency so it's a must they have a good draft if they want to upgrade the talent. Just take the best player available in every round and hope they turn out. I'm not opposed to a couple of trade downs late in the draft just don't get cute with the first 3 picks.

Like you mentioned "good teams" find a way to trade down and make it work but the Cowboys aren't a good team. The better the team you have the more risk you can take. Good teams can afford a miss or two not the Cowboys. To only have 4 players left from the 06, 07, 08 and 09 drafts is pretty pathetic. What's even worse is none of the players they have left from those drafts are great players.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Trading down to get more players with less talent seems like a losers strategy to me. Unless you are 1-15 and have no talent, you should probably try to draft as high as possible to get impact players.

Trading down = Loser

I think it depends on your team needs.

What are impact players? Do you mean impact positions or do you mean players who can step in and start?

Lets take, for example, the Cowboys.

What are the impact positions for the Cowboys?

QB - Romo
WR - Dez
LT - Smith
TE - Witten
Pass Rusher - DWare
Tampa2 MLB - Lee
WSLB - Carter
Safety - Need
3Tech - Ratliff

These are the key positions for the schemes we run. Now, obviously we need to resign Romo but if you do that, then really, we are pretty much covered at impact positions. This allows us to consider other need positions that are not premium. Now look at the talent levels at need positions. G, RT, SDE, SAM, RB, 3Tech, QB.

Is the talent level at 18 that much better then the talent level in the lower rounds for the same positions?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The Cowboys (Jerry) aren't very good at evaluating talent that's why they need to take the best players available. They aren't going to be able to do much in free agency so it's a must they have a good draft if they want to upgrade the talent. Just take the best player available in every round and hope they turn out. I'm not opposed to a couple of trade downs late in the draft just don't get cute with the first 3 picks.

Like you mentioned "good teams" find a way to trade down and make it work but the Cowboys aren't a good team. The better the team you have the more risk you can take. Good teams can afford a miss or two not the Cowboys. To only have 4 players left from the 06, 07, 08 and 09 drafts is pretty pathetic. What's even worse is none of the players they have left from those drafts are great players.

No. We need to get better at evaluating talent. We don't need to force decisions on faulty premise. That's how you get stuck in bad cap situations etc.

I don't agree.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Its not all luck you're right. I should've been clearer....I think it does takte some form of evaluating of talent but its impossible for evaluators to know what player will make that transition to the NFL...Russell Wilson is a prime example of teams being afraid to spend anything higher than a 3rd rounder on him because they didn't think his height would translate into the NFL.


I believe the Cowboys have a plan. They just like everyone else in the league hit or misses on draft picks. Its seems like recently they have decided to draft a certain type of player....Sean Lee, Demarco, Tyron Smith, Bruce Carter, Claiborne, Crawford... all seem like the same type of player...I hope this trend continues because if we are going to have any success in the next few years its gonna be because of how we draft. Another solid draft would do this team wonders.

I don't really think we do have a plan. One year, we draft for backups. One year we trade our picks for a WR out of need. One year we spend high picks to move up to take a player. I mean, this just doesn't seem like we have a plan as to how we run our drafts. This seems like we have a different idea every year.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Trading down works great if you are looking for the sort of guys that other teams don't value. It worked great for Jimmy Johnson as he was building a D of guys who most teams saw as poor positional fits (tweeners).

But otherwise, trading back really only appeals to the mock draft junkies.

Pats made a living off of trading down and acquiring talent and more future picks. I think you are completely wrong here about just appealing to draft junkies.

JMO

 

[DFWJC]

Trading down to get more players with less talent seems like a losers strategy to me. Unless you are 1-15 and have no talent, you should probably try to draft as high as possible to get impact players.

Trading down = Loser

Tell that to the Patriots

Of course, if you don't draft the right players it won't matter anyway.

 

[Disturbed]

I think it depends on your team needs.

What are impact players? Do you mean impact positions or do you mean players who can step in and start?

Impact players, not positions. Example: Today I would say it is better to draft a lineman in the first round that can be a guaranteed starter for years to come over two mid to late round lineman who may or may not be able to start (backups).

Trading back to get the extra lineman usually means you don't have a real starter. I prefer to build the team through the draft with the best players possible (higher the draft pick the better).

A few years ago they deployed the more players draft, we drafted 12 players who were of no benefit to the team. That draft may go down as the worst draft in franchise history. I say trade up and go for real starters...I don't care if we only draft 3 players...as long as they can be starters and contribute.

 

[Disturbed]

Tell that to the Patriots

Of course, if you don't draft the right players it won't matter anyway.

Yes, two teams at different ends of the spectrum. Patriots are very good at evaluating young talent and it shows every year in the draft. The Cowboys on the other hand have proven they are the worst in the league (a monkey throwing a dart at the draft board would do better).

So I say to Dallas, please don't think your better than your history. Take the best player and stop trading down where the risk of success does not work in our favor. Trade up where the chances of hitting are higher. Get the best players you can...even if only a few of them.

 

[KJJ]

No. We need to get better at evaluating talent. We don't need to force decisions on faulty premise. That's how you get stuck in bad cap situations etc.

I don't agree.

Until the Cowboys (Jerry) gets better at talent evaluation they need to stop getting cute with the trade downs and select the best players available. The Cowboys had Danny Amendola in 09 who was showing potential but kept Kevin Ogletree instead.

Jerry fell in love watching Ogletree catch bubble screens now he can watch him fizz out with the Bucs while Amendola picks up in NE where Welker left off. Jerry had a particularly bad year in 09 evaluating talent. No surprise that was the last good season the Cowboys had.

 

[respectdatstar]

So why on earth would a team give you a "ton" for a guy you feel is "close to done"? That makes no sense...

Because those teams don't care about erod's opinion.

 

[Zekeats]

Until the Cowboys (Jerry) gets better at talent evaluation they need to stop getting cute with the trade downs and select the best players available. The Cowboys had Danny Amendola in 09 who was showing potential but kept Kevin Ogletree instead.

Jerry fell in love watching Ogletree catch bubble screens now he can watch him fizz out with the Bucs while Amendola picks up in NE where Welker left off. Jerry had a particularly bad year in 09 evaluating talent. No surprise that was the last good season the Cowboys had.

Isn't that the truth.........its so sad that our offense has become so bad that two 15 yard bubble screens was or offensive highlights durning that season and for Garretts lack of imagination with this offense. Like you said it also led to hanging on to this bum Ogletree. Funny thing is after week 1 against the Giants I kept telling everyone that the worst thing to happen to this team was for Ogletree to have a big game like he did because he is pure fools gold.

 

[respectdatstar]

I wouldn't mind seeing us trade our 1st this year for a 2013 2nd and a 2014 1st.

 

[AbeBeta]

Pats made a living off of trading down and acquiring talent and more future picks. I think you are completely wrong here about just appealing to draft junkies.

JMO

The Pats have a very strong coaching staff that year in and year out make lemonade out of lemons.

They legitimately can "coach guys up"

Here not so much.

 

[visionary]

I wouldn't mind seeing us trade our 1st this year for a 2013 2nd and a 2014 1st.

I don't that is unreasonable as long as the second rd pick this year was in the top 10

 

[L-O-Jete]

I wouldn't mind seeing us trade our 1st this year for a 2013 2nd and a 2014 1st.

That would be a dream come true.

 

[Bullflop]

In a year when the depth is good at the positions we're most in need of, it'd make sense to gather extra picks. We won't be able to do much, if anything, in the vet free agent market, so our draft picks should afford us the best opportunity to grow this season. If we're, indeed, fortunate enough to deal for extra picks, let's just hope they're put to use wisely.