Cowboys News & Notes: Possible Destinations For DeMarco Murray

[MichaelWinicki]

You're right, Emmitt never had 1800 yds

You're right.

He only had a couple world titles by this point.

 

[Nightman]

I understand that putting the franchise tag on Murray would be a lot of money. However, how bad would this route be if they franchise him, draft an RB and give that drafted RB 5 to 8 touches a game to see if he could be the guy the following year and let Murray go in free agency? It's a lot of money for the one year but I think there are plenty of RB's in this draft that could make this a possible route to take.

It's not a bad last resort if they can work out a deal with Dez. For the amount of the Franchise tag(around10m) Dallas could get 2+ years out of Murray salary cap wise. I'd feel better about grooming a new RB if Murray was still carrying the load.

 

[Nightman]

You're right.

He only had a couple world titles by this point.

He also had a #1 QB, WR, TE, FB and OL. Plus a young top 5 defense.

 

[RoboQB]

1800 yards is special. The problem is, we're not paying an 1800 yard back. Odds are heavily against him ever repeating that performance again.

What we are paying for is simple and necessary to how the offense works.

Having Murray on the field is a nightmare to a defense. It's basically pick your poision. Keep 8 in the box and risk single-high safety against Dez and TWill...
or... Play coverage and keep both safeties back ( who happen to tackle Murray, keeping the admittedly slow RB from a long scoring run)... Murray
has plenty of 15-20 yard runs that move the chain and eat the game clock.... he also helps to open the underneath passes on 3rd and medium plays
to Witten and the Bease... not to mention hauling in 56 passes himself... if the mantra is "Win Now", I say pay the man... His teammates and head coach
have been very vocal publicly... and, by the way, I believe he's staying put, just to go on record...... bottom line is we don't need him to reach, or even approach
1800 yards... but we do need him... If he goes, there will be very big shoes to fill quickly.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

He also had a #1 QB, WR, TE, FB and OL. Plus a young top 5 defense.

I hope you give me your mailing address, so if Murray leaves I can send you that box of kleenex... what brand do you prefer?

 

[Nightman]

I hope you give me your mailing address, so if Murray leaves I can send you that box of kleenex... what brand do you prefer?

Real mature. I guess wanting Dallas to win instead of trying to beat the salary cap is something to be mocked.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Real mature. I guess wanting Dallas to win instead of trying to beat the salary cap is something to be mocked.

There are some other folks that think Dallas can win by going in a couple different directions and aren't married to a single theme.

 

[Nightman]

There are some other folks that think Dallas can win by going in a couple different directions and aren't married to a single theme.

I didn't start all these threads so I guess other people feel like discussing it besides you and I

 

[Craig]

Its amazing how many people completely ignore the possibility(and likelihood) that murray's production plummets into the "average" category this year. But by all means, lets throw 25 million at him.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I didn't start all these threads so I guess other people feel like discussing it besides you and I

Yes they do don't they.

 

[Idgit]

Did you see post #51 above? There have been numerous backs that have gone well over 370 touches with no ill effects for years.

I saw it. Not only was Emmitt's addressed in the previously quoted article, Demarco Murray does not have the durability or the ability of Emmitt Smith.

The goal isn't to hope Demarco is an exception to the rule, the goal is to make decisions based off of what's most likely. And it's pretty well established what happens to most backs after that level of carries.

 

[MrPeanutbutter]

Real mature. I guess wanting Dallas to win instead of trying to beat the salary cap is something to be mocked.

You can't beat the salary cap by spending. You can only beat the salary cap by drafting well.

 

[Nightman]

You can't beat the salary cap by spending. You can only beat the salary cap by drafting well.

A lot of Cowboys fan have been brainwashed into caring more about the salary cap than putting the best possible team on the field.

Dallas could be 20m under the cap and people still wouldn't spend the 5-8m to keep Murray because sometime in the future someone else is going to also need a new contract.

 

[Nightman]

I saw it. Not only was Emmitt's addressed in the previously quoted article, Demarco Murray does not have the durability or the ability of Emmitt Smith.

The goal isn't to hope Demarco is an exception to the rule, the goal is to make decisions based off of what's most likely. And it's pretty well established what happens to most backs after that level of carries.

You don't know someone's durability until they prove it and Murray has shown he has as much ability as Emmitt. In fact they are very similar.

 

[Craig]

A lot of Cowboys fan have been brainwashed into caring more about the salary cap than putting the best possible team on the field.

Dallas could be 20m under the cap and people still wouldn't spend the 5-8m to keep Murray because sometime in the future someone else is going to also need a new contract.

Youre right, i wouldnt want to spend that on a running back.

 

[MrPeanutbutter]

A lot of Cowboys fan have been brainwashed into caring more about the salary cap than putting the best possible team on the field.

Dallas could be 20m under the cap and people still wouldn't spend the 5-8m to keep Murray because sometime in the future someone else is going to also need a new contract.

That's football, unfortunately. The goal is to have continued, sustained success. To do that, you have to get the highest value per dollar spent. For example, Seattle was so successful the last few seasons because they were getting maximum value at the most positions (particularly the quarterback position). Russell Wilson, for as good as he is, was the most valuable he'll ever be in his rookie contract.

With free agency, it's a tough game, because teams that don't understand player value tend to drive up the price of players. For example, it's likely a bad organization like Oakland could drive up the price of DeMarco if he hits the market. If we were talking about a quarterback, we would sign them immediately because QBs are difficult to replace. You pay Dez Bryant because the risk of production loss is so much less than a running back especially when our O-line is so good.

 

[Idgit]

You don't know someone's durability until they prove it and Murray has shown he has as much ability as Emmitt. In fact they are very similar.

We'll never agree on either of those points. There's not much point in debating it. I guess we'll see when Demarco's career is done how durable he was overall and how close he gets.

 

[Nightman]

Youre right, i wouldnt want to spend that on a running back.

See, that's what I mean

You'll give 10m to a DE that makes 10 sacks all year or a RT that had one good year and might be a LT or a CB that makes 2 INTs a year

BUT NOT

a RB that gets 2500 yds and 15 TDs, makes no sense

 

[Nightman]

That's football, unfortunately. The goal is to have continued, sustained success. To do that, you have to get the highest value per dollar spent. For example, Seattle was so successful the last few seasons because they were getting maximum value at the most positions (particularly the quarterback position). Russell Wilson, for as good as he is, was the most valuable he'll ever be in his rookie contract.

With free agency, it's a tough game, because teams that don't understand player value tend to drive up the price of players. For example, it's likely a bad organization like Oakland could drive up the price of DeMarco if he hits the market. If we were talking about a quarterback, we would sign them immediately because QBs are difficult to replace. You pay Dez Bryant because the risk of production loss is so much less than a running back especially when our O-line is so good.

Dallas has the cash to do whatever it wants in FA and re-signing their own guys if they stick with the strategy of large signing bonuses and restructures to max out the cap. It is not hard to get out salary cap "jail" if it even exists. The issue is picking the right guys. That's true whether it's the Draft, Free Agency or UDFAs.

And WR offers no better value or predictability. They are just as unreliable as RBs. If you look at the top 15 WR contracts most are huge overpays. Last year showed that it is just as easy to draft WRs that can step right in. SEA got lucky with Wilson and Sherman, but they failed badly with Matt Flynn, SRice, PHarvin and ZMiller. Contract mistakes don't have to be deadly if the rest of the team is out together well.

 

[big dog cowboy]

He also had a #1 QB, WR, TE, FB and OL. Plus a young top 5 defense.

Not to be picky, but you forgot HC.