Dak: Just how people feel - What it says if the contract isn't done before season

[DallasEast]

At least two of them were clearly better (Marino and Fouts). Warren Moon got into the Hall of Fame totally because of his numbers and the championships he won in the CFL. It’s a pro football Hall of Fame not an NFL Hall of Fame so they took into account his CFL career. His playoff record was 3-7 and his career regular season record was only one game over 500. No question he was a great passer, but he had his issues in big games as much as anyone. He was part of the most historic playoff collapse in NFL history. It’s almost hard to believe a team could lose a playoff game being up 35-3 in the third quarter. It certainly wasn’t all his fault but he played a part in it with 2 INT‘s. I would honestly take Dak and Romo over Warren Moon.

I liked Tony Romo. A lot. There is no way I would choose him over Warren Moon. Just my opinion.

 

[acr731]

At least two of them were clearly better (Marino and Fouts). Warren Moon got into the Hall of Fame totally because of his numbers and the championships he won in the CFL. It’s a pro football Hall of Fame not an NFL Hall of Fame so they took into account his CFL career. His playoff record was 3-7 and his career regular season record was only one game over 500. No question he was a great passer, but he had his issues in big games as much as anyone. He was part of the most historic playoff collapse in NFL history. It’s almost hard to believe a team could lose a playoff game being up 35-3 in the third quarter. It certainly wasn’t all his fault but he played a part in it with 2 INT‘s. I would honestly take Dak and Romo over Warren Moon.

Trying to justify Dak by trashing hall of fame QB's is extremely lame.


You love Dak. Cool. Good for you.


Did you just see how I said I don't have a problem with you or anyone else worshiping Dak? Then why do you and your ilk have such a hard time accepting that many people don't feel the same way you do, and you attack us for our opinions when we allow you to have yours?

 

[KJJ]

I liked Tony Romo. A lot. There is no way I would choose him over Warren Moon. Just my opinion.

It would be a tough call for me going with Romo over Warren Moon but I had a lot more issues with Moon than I did with Romo. For as many yards as Moon threw for he didn’t have that many TDs. In 16 years despite over 49,000 yards he only threw 291 TDs, compared to 233 INT’s. He only had two seasons where he threw for more than 30 TDs. He threw for over 4200 yards one season but only had 18 TD passes. He tossed 19 INT’s that season. In 10 seasons Romo had 248 TD passes and 117 INT‘s and he missed a number of games. There were a lot of empty numbers with Moon and when you add on 101 losses during the regular season, that rules him out for me.

 

[KJJ]

Trying to justify Dak by trashing hall of fame QB's is extremely lame.


You love Dak. Cool. Good for you.


Did you just see how I said I don't have a problem with you or anyone else worshiping Dak? Then why do you and your ilk have such a hard time accepting that many people don't feel the same way you do, and you attack us for our opinions when we allow you to have yours?

I’m not trashing those Hall of Fame QBs. I’m pointing out that even Hall of Fame QBs had problems in the playoffs if they didn’t have a good enough team around them. I’m not attacking anyone I’m just giving my opinion. Not wasting any more time with you on this.

 

[DallasEast]

It would be a tough call for me going with Romo over Warren Moon but I had a lot more issues with Moon than I did with Romo. For as many yards as Moon threw for he didn’t have that many TDs. In 16 years despite over 49,000 yards he only threw 291 TDs, compared to 233 INT’s. He only had two seasons where he threw for more than 30 TDs. He threw for over 4200 yards one season but only had 18 TD passes. He tossed 19 INT’s that season. In 10 seasons Romo had 248 TD passes and 117 INT‘s and he missed a number of games. There were a lot of empty numbers with Moon and when you add on 101 losses during the regular season, that rules him out for me.

Understood. My opinion does not hinge upon statistics whatsoever. Just my choice between the quarterbacks in question.

 

[Flamma]

I liked Tony Romo. A lot. There is no way I would choose him over Warren Moon. Just my opinion.

Me either. He played some tough opponents in the playoffs. Someone has to lose. That 35-3 game was crazy. But I didn't come out of it thinking, wow, Moon blew that game. Furthest thing from my mind. One of his picks bounced off a WRs hands. That 35-3 lead in the 3rd was 35-31 before the 4th quarter started. Houston just imploded. The run and shoot isn't a good clock killer.

 

[DallasEast]

Me either. He played some tough opponents in the playoffs. Someone has to lose. That 35-3 game was crazy. But I didn't come out of it thinking, wow, Moon blew that game. Furthest thing from my mind. One of his picks bounced off a WRs hands. That 35-3 lead in the 3rd was 35-31 before the 4th quarter started. Houston just imploded. The run and shoot isn't a good clock killer.

Jerry Glanville lived and died with the run-and-shoot. Mostly died when it mattered the most.

 

[Flamma]

The problem with a majority of this fanbase is they think the only way to fix the situation is to change QBs. Put another QB in and bingo! Putting the blame on a QB that’s been one of the best in the league the past 8 years doesn’t give you hope. Moving on from him isn’t going to provide any hope because the next challenge is going to be trying to find someone who’s better. Good luck!

Another thing contributing to the Dak blame is his performance. Romo didn't have any more success, but he didn't look like absolute trash in those playoff losses.

 

[Flamma]

There are still several days to go to get a contract done. Don't put it past Jerry to do it.

 

[KJJ]

Another thing contributing to the Dak blame is his performance. Romo didn't have any more success, but he didn't look like absolute trash in those playoff losses.

You must not have seen all of Romo‘s playoff games to say he didn’t look like absolute trash. He looked like complete garbage against Minnesota in 2009. He had a couple of picks and a lost fumbled. He had a couple of other garbage performances in season finale elimination games against Philly in 2008 and Washington in 2012. Dak has never looked like absolute trash in any playoff game, except maybe the 49ers playoff loss in 2022. That was clearly his worst playoff performance.

 

[plymkr]

Blah blah blah Stan. Every post. You guys aren’t even trying anymore.

All haters sound the same these days. Can someone step out and be original from the pack? Anyone?

Ok I’ll give it a shot. In 2001 Quincy Carter was drafted during the Dave Campo era. The Dave Campo era is widely regarded as one of the worst in franchise history. Quincy Carter is regarded as one of the worst QBs in franchise history.

In 2004 Dallas won 10 games and lost in the WC round, lead by Quincy. In 2023 Dallas won 12 games and lost in the WC round, lead by Prescott. What’s the difference?

When talking about Dak the fans that want to sign him keep stating that we will be in QB purgatory for years “just like the Dave Campo years”. Well I argue that we are still in QB purgatory from Aikman retiring. Because if I can give you the stat line of : 10 wins, playoff birth, lost in WC round and you don’t know if that applies to Quincy or Dak then there’s a problem. We as a franchise have not progressed any further under Dak than we did under Carter. And if I remember correctly Carter did not demand to be the highest paid QB in the league.

 

[glimmerman]

Hopefully, your avatar will not suffer this fate in a week.

If he dont then the sun will still come up in the morning. And football season will still start for us Sunday at 4:30pm. Dak will be under center. How do you think the game will go..

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Ok I’ll give it a shot. In 2001 Quincy Carter was drafted during the Dave Campo era. The Dave Campo era is widely regarded as one of the worst in franchise history. Quincy Carter is regarded as one of the worst QBs in franchise history.

In 2004 Dallas won 10 games and lost in the WC round, lead by Quincy. In 2023 Dallas won 12 games and lost in the WC round, lead by Prescott. What’s the difference?

When talking about Dak the fans that want to sign him keep stating that we will be in QB purgatory for years “just like the Dave Campo years”. Well I argue that we are still in QB purgatory from Aikman retiring. Because if I can give you the stat line of : 10 wins, playoff birth, lost in WC round and you don’t know if that applies to Quincy or Dak then there’s a problem. We as a franchise have not progressed any further under Dak than we did under Carter. And if I remember correctly Carter did not demand to be the highest paid QB in the league.

Ehh I disagree. 12 wins and a first round exit is our floor. 10 wins from Quincy Carter who threw 21 interceptions was the ceiling.

But hey he just came at the wrong time. If Daniel Jones could get 40 million QC could’ve too lol.

 

[plymkr]

Ehh I disagree. 12 wins and a first round exit is our floor. 10 wins from Quincy Carter who threw 21 interceptions was the ceiling.

But hey he just came at the wrong time. If Daniel Jones could get 40 million QC could’ve too lol.

You disagree that the Quincy Carter lead Cowboys finished in the exact same place as the Dak Prescott lead Cowboys? A WC loss is a WC loss. What’s the difference?

 

[glimmerman]

At least two of them were clearly better (Marino and Fouts). Warren Moon got into the Hall of Fame totally because of his numbers and the championships he won in the CFL. It’s a pro football Hall of Fame not an NFL Hall of Fame so they took into account his CFL career. His playoff record was 3-7 and his career regular season record was only one game over 500. No question he was a great passer, but he had his issues in big games as much as anyone. He was part of the most historic playoff collapse in NFL history. It’s almost hard to believe a team could lose a playoff game being up 35-3 in the third quarter. It certainly wasn’t all his fault but he played a part in it with 2 INT‘s. I would honestly take Dak and Romo over Warren Moon.

That’s because it’s a team game and in the playoffs the teams are more evenly talented and things like coaching comes into play. When you have a HC that get saddled with coaches he didn’t choose himself the problems start. You can have the players and they play the game. They try to execute the plays called. Did we see quinn do any in game adjustments. He had checked out thinking about his new job wondering what players he wanted to poach from the team playing the game in front of him. He wasn’t the reason we lost but it contributed. It starts at the top with an owner and GM that wants to keep control of things he shouldn’t but can if he chooses. If McClay was actually the GM then he would choose a HC and let him put the staff together. Draft the players needed and let the HC run the show on the field..

 

[KJJ]

That’s because it’s a team game and in the playoffs the teams are more evenly talented and things like coaching comes into play. When you have a HC that get saddled with coaches he didn’t choose himself the problems start. You can have the players and they play the game. They try to execute the plays called. Did we see quinn do any in game adjustments. He had checked out thinking about his new job wondering what players he wanted to poach from the team playing the game in front of him. He wasn’t the reason we lost but it contributed. It starts at the top with an owner and GM that wants to keep control of things he shouldn’t but can if he chooses. If McClay was actually the GM then he would choose a HC and let him put the staff together. Draft the players needed and let the HC run the show on the field..

In the playoffs if you start to become exposed and everything gets thrown on your QB you’re done, regardless how good they are. John Elway had his issues in the Super Bowl until he had a complete team where everything didn’t get thrown on him. If a QB gets put in a position where they have to carry their team in the playoffs, they’re not going to get very far. This is a reason why Aaron Rodgers only has one Super Bowl win. He could’ve very easily ended up like Dan Marino.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You disagree that the Quincy Carter lead Cowboys finished in the exact same place as the Dak Prescott lead Cowboys? A WC loss is a WC loss. What’s the difference?

You are comparing one year of Quincy Carter and calling it an era. I don’t agree they are the same. 10 wins was overachieving. 12 wins and losing in the first round is a choke job. Just not the same.

 

[DallasEast]

You must not have seen all of Romo‘s playoff games to say he didn’t look like absolute trash. He looked like complete garbage against Minnesota in 2009. He had a couple of picks and a lost fumbled.

This post is geared more towards any fellow members, who do not either recall the 'Romo! Run for Your Life!' game well or never saw it (also known as The Game Flozell Adams Didn't Play). Minnesota's defensive line completely dominated the Dallas' offensive line for all four quarters. Just to add a BIT more context to your observation.

The full game can be seen at this link. Full context can be provided in that way as well but many people will not re-watch or watch an old game. My reply will be links to 11 out of Dallas' 13 offensive possessions. Two of which were inconsequential (one before the half and the last drive of the game). The remaining drives ended in fumble, missed field goal, field goal, fumble, punt, missed field goal, punt, interception, punt and on downs twice.

Each numbered drive is a link to that specific time during the game video. Each sequence per link is described in my brief summaries.

#1 Drive - Starts at 1st & 10. Blah blah blah. Viewers can check out ALL the time Romo had prior to and at the time he fumbled
#2 Drive - 2nd & 6 forward. Poor center/quarterback exchange and then a tipped pass (missed field goal)
#3 Drive - 2nd & Goal forward. So much time. (field goal)
#4 Drive - 2nd & 11. So much time (fumble)
#5 Drive - 2nd & 7 forward. One first down converted. Catchable pass went straight through Miles Austin's hands for a non-converted first down (punt)
~half~
#7 Drive - 1st & 10 forward. Run stuffed. Followed by short pass. So much time. Followed by sack. So much time (missed field goal)
#8 Drive - 1st & 10 forward. Drive starts at Dallas' 2-yard line. Short run. Followed by bad pass. Followed by good pass for converted first down negated by force out (punt)
#9 Drive - 1st & 10 forward. Short pass. Yet another stuffed run for loss. Pathetic pass resulting in interception on 3rd & 10
#10 Drive - 3rd & 4. Sack. So much time (punt)
#11 Drive - 1st & 10 forward. Good pass. Followed by bad shovel pass. Followed by yet another run stuffed for loss. Followed by short pass snuffed out completely by the defense (downs)
#12 Drive - 1st & 10 forward. Tipped pass. At line of scrimmage. Followed by another tipped pass. In Romo's face. Shovel pass. So much time. Finally poor but catchable pass falls incomplete (downs)
~end of game~
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None of the above is intended to change any minds. All of the above was provided to give more context to what happened with Romo and the offense during the 2009 Cowboys/Vikings NFC Divisional Round game.

 

[plymkr]

You are comparing one year of Quincy Carter and calling it an era. I don’t agree they are the same. 10 wins was overachieving. 12 wins and losing in the first round is a choke job. Just not the same.

Not quite. What I’m doing is fighting the narrative that the Dak Prescott era has been some magical historical run in Cowboys history. I’m fighting the narrative if we lose Dak we will be a bottom feeding team until we find another Dak. That is simply not true because we made the playoffs with Quincy Carter 4 years after Aikman retired. So the narrative that some put out as an argument to keep Dak so we do not go into QB purgatory is false. Here’s why:
Quincy Carter era: 4 years, 0 playoff wins
Tony Romo era: 10 years, 2 playoff wins
Dak Prescott era: 8 years, 2 playoff wins
The Dallas Cowboys since Aikman retired: 23 seasons, 4-10 playoff record.

The narrative that Dak is irreplaceable is false. This is not the end of some magical run but the continuation of failing at replacing Aikman, and Dak is just the latest QB to not be the guy.

 

[DallasEast]

If he dont then the sun will still come up in the morning.

Quit it. Now I have that stupid Annie song stuck in my head.

And football season will still start for us Sunday at 4:30pm. Dak will be under center. How do you think the game will go..

Depends. I have no reason to believe the Cleveland's defense will not come out and try smashing Dallas' offensive heads into the concrete. Cleveland's offense versus Dallas' defense is a good matchup.

Cowboys win if the team's intensity matches the Browns'. If they do not, well...