Defense

[CCBoy]

I never said don't use pick 4 but I didn't say too use pick 4.


Read carefully I'm all in on getting a top 5 elite defense. If defensive player is at 4 take him but there is more then the draft and pick 4 when it comes to upgrading defense. .....ever heard of free agency


You know what go on because it's clear you always assume what you want. Tired of explaining something to you multiple times when you just make things up. Carry on with your agenda someplace else

Easy fella', the entire NFL now has a long off season...let's enjoy exploring it all, together.

 

[CCBoy]

Ya would have to be 4-3, switching back to 3-4 would set us back.

Hope Garrett and them took notes with the blitzing on Newton all game

Defensive tackles and linebackers are what are needed to compare with the Carolina defense. And of course, both use top cornerbacks.

 

[Typhus]

Defensive tackles and linebackers are what are needed to compare with the Carolina defense. And of course, both use top cornerbacks.

which is basically an entire defense minus the safeties, so 9 out of 11.

 

[CCBoy]

which is basically an entire defense minus the safeties, so 9 out of 11.

Not at all, Golden...there are Lawrence, Gregory, Crawford, Lee, Jones, and Scandrick on the ledger. That needle points up...with wait and see's on Hardy and Rolando McClain.

You aren't at least curious with how both the possible cap room and quality picks could add to this?

 

[Typhus]

Not at all, Golden...there are Lawrence, Gregory, Crawford, Lee, Jones, and Scandrick on the ledger. That needle points up...with wait and see's on Hardy and Rolando McClain.

You aren't at least curious with how both the possible cap room and quality picks could add to this?

What concerns me the most is the philosophy.

I wasnt sold on throwing money at the 3 tech with Crawford and a prayer, and Marinelli seems to have total blind love for our 1 tech wonder boy that gets constantly washed out by stronger guards in this league.

Throwing contracts at players does not correct a weakness.

Drafting well and having good evaluation does however.

At this point, Im more concerned that the right decisions are being made in the staff shuffle and brain trust of this franchise, and hopeful that before the draft, McClay is feeling good about his scouting department.

 

[CCBoy]

What concerns me the most is the philosophy. I wasnt sold on throwing money at the 3 tech with Crawford and a prayer, and Marinelli seems to have total blind love for our 1 tech wonder boy that gets constantly washed out by stronger guards in this league.
Throwing contracts at players does not correct a weakness. Drafting well and having good evaluation does.

Golden, I can only offer ideas of insight. You know well, that many fans have blinders on as to viewing what doesn't immediately light up as top shelf...but we can gain some perspective here.

Both the Denver 3-4 and the Carolina 4-3 both depend upon pressure to the opposing quarterback and quality cornerbacks to accomplish turnovers and control 5rd down conversions.

Both Denver and Carolina have quality outside pressure and strong interior defensive tackles.

The Carolina defense, relies upon defensive tackles and very strong linebacker play to dominate the run, and for dominance in a passing defense.

Dallas has Crawford in the middle. He has been very injured, and does project upward...but I see him in a rotational capacity. Here, I would still invest in either a real dominant defensive tackle, or acquire two defensive tackles very high in the draft.

Dallas still needs a dominant level outside pressure, veteran, to elevate the play of both Lawrence and Gregory. I would hope that this would be at least the presence of Hardy, or even returning DeMarcus Ware to the Cowboys.

High on my list in free agency, would be a quality cornerback to pair with Scandrick.

I see Rolando McClain as only a fill-in for the time. A truely dominant MLB, not named Saun Lee, needs to be brought onto the Cowboys' plate.

My directions for the draft, would be either this top shelf middle linebacker, or two defensive tackles and a quality cornerback.

That would at least elevate year three for Marinelli, leaving just a little addition for his fourth and function year in Dallas.

 

[baltcowboy]

myles jack.

Myles Jack? Watching this game it is either Spence, Ramsey, big interior pass rusher. Shoot Jack too are defense needs a overhaul.

 

[baltcowboy]

Two honest questions:

1. If we start this off season, how many years will it realistically take us to build an "elite" defense capable of winning a Super Bowl like Denver's?

2. How many years will Romo have left as a starting QB by the time the defense reaches "elite" status?

My opinion right now is that it will take longer to build an elite "Denver-like" defense than Romo has years left in his career. I am a big fan of Romo BTW.

What if we invest in the defense in free agency and the draft? Denver took two years to rebuild the defense.

 

[iceberg]

Watching these past few superbowls and still nobody sees that you win championships with an elite defense.

I'm all in on getting this defense corrected and a top 5 elite unit.

A 39 year old QB had 140 yards 0 TDs and an interception and won because of that defense he has.

Let's reach for a rookie QB though

this is like one of those far too clever for their own good meme's where you say something snarky and clever and think the world will suddenly go HOLY **** I'VE BEEN WRONG ALL THESE YEARS.

yea, when was the last time a meme did that to you?

in any event, let's just also put away all manning has done for the broncos to get THE TEAM in a position to be there.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Two honest questions:

1. If we start this off season, how many years will it realistically take us to build an "elite" defense capable of winning a Super Bowl like Denver's?

2. How many years will Romo have left as a starting QB by the time the defense reaches "elite" status?

My opinion right now is that it will take longer to build an elite "Denver-like" defense than Romo has years left in his career. I am a big fan of Romo BTW.

1. Not even close. The overall talent gap is too significant. Dallas's best bet would be to remove the obvious JAGs and replace them with decent/good players and hope for the best.

2. My prediction is Romo has 2 years left. Whether you take a QB early or not this year, the team still has enough draft picks and cap flexibility to attempt to address the obvious holes on the roster in hopes of building a roster that can contend.

 

[Alexander]

You know what ive learned from my history of watching super bowl winning teams? Make a plan and stick to it. Dont try to create last year's champ every offseason.

Important point, but that does not stop some franchises (including the Cowboys) to try to copy the flavor of the moment.

"The plan" means adopting the practices of the next big deal, which is a waste a time. Get the best coaches you can and then get the best talent.

But there is one thing that watching most Super Bowls makes very clear.

The better prepared and coached team is usually the one who comes out on top.

I do not think of many people who would look at Denver's roster and say without a doubt they are more talented across the board than Carolina.

They were very well prepared, down the stretch and in this game, particularly on one specific side of the football.

 

[perrykemp]

Last night reminded me how beautiful a good 3-4 defense with great edge pass rushers can be.

I understand the Cowboys move to a 4-3, and I have no complaints about it, however, I sure do miss the days of Ware flying off the edge for Dallas as a stand-up 3-4 OLB.

 

[Alexander]

I think it's also interesting that the Broncos very much relied on FAs and players not drafted by the Broncos to play key roles:

• Manning (QB)
• Ware (OLB)
• Ward (Safety)
• Talib (CB)
• Sanders (WR)
• Daniels (TE)
• Evan Mathis (G)
• Vasquez (G)

Another significant point.

Not saying every team can do this and that is the blueprint, but there are enough examples of teams using veterans to plug holes.

Denver went big with Manning, Ware, Ward, Talib and Sanders. Then plugged in cheaper declining vets like Mathis as stop gaps for problem areas when they arose.

Arizona had huge success with older veterans in free agency, and cheaply as well (Johnson, Freeney).

It should not replace the draft, but you cannot be afraid to go the aging veteran route when necessary.

Sometimes they are as hungry to win as some youngster. Those kind of deep vet signings also aid in the leadership department sometimes.

 

[Alexander]

Last night reminded me how beautiful a good 3-4 defense with great edge pass rushers can be.

I understand the Cowboys move to a 4-3, and I have no complaints about it, however, I sure do miss the days of Ware flying off the edge for Dallas as a stand-up 3-4 OLB.

The 3-4 allows a creative football mind to change up. You can run a 4-3 with 3-4 looks. Hybrid defenses can accomplish the same thing.

All it takes is a smart creative coach, not a rigid, "this is my system and I will make the players fit into it or get new ones" mindset.

 

[Galian Beast]

A few key free agent selections in addition to additional draft picks high would do the trick here.

If we don't trade down and get Ezekiel Elliott, I think the first three picks should be defensive.

In free agency it would be nice to get Mario Williams and maybe Tashaun Gipson. I also think we should resign McClain to another year.

The biggest question is what we do and what can we do with the corner situation. There aren't a lot of options that will be readily available in free agency this year. That is where I think the draft is going to have to play a factor.

We have to take a long hard look at shoring up the defense and getting rid of scrubs like Wilcox, Church, Carr, and Claiborne. I think the front seven is a lot closer if Gregory can develop this offseason.

 

[Doomsday101]

Watching these past few superbowls and still nobody sees that you win championships with an elite defense.

I'm all in on getting this defense corrected and a top 5 elite unit.

A 39 year old QB had 140 yards 0 TDs and an interception and won because of that defense he has.


Let's reach for a rookie QB though

I agree that defense is critical I also know a QB is critical, Dallas could wait until Romo retires and we go through the whole process once again or you look to the future now and address that future with a top ranked QB. I hope Dallas is very active both in the draft and FA in terms of getting more help on the defensive side of the ball but I also happen to think this is the chance to look beyond today and address the future of this team

 

[Sydla]

I always love people bringing up Ware.

Do people realize that he plays in the perfect defense for him in Denver a 3-4 attacking defense and that he wasn't an ideal fit here as a DE?

 

[Sydla]

And by the way, people will focus on Ware and Miller and rightfully so.

But if Marinelli watched that game last night and then still concludes Hayden is his ideal 1 tech and we don't need to upgrade, then all hope is lost.

Newton had nowhere to go because the interior guys for Denver just collapsed that pocket from the inside and they never let Stewart get going in the run game.

I don't give a crap where they get the guys - FA, 1st roundm, 2nd round, 3rd round, 5th round, whatever - there needs to be a serious infusion of talent at the 1 tech.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

What concerns me the most is the philosophy.

I wasnt sold on throwing money at the 3 tech with Crawford and a prayer, and Marinelli seems to have total blind love for our 1 tech wonder boy that gets constantly washed out by stronger guards in this league.

Throwing contracts at players does not correct a weakness.

Drafting well and having good evaluation does however.

At this point, Im more concerned that the right decisions are being made in the staff shuffle and brain trust of this franchise, and hopeful that before the draft, McClay is feeling good about his scouting department.

To Marinelli's credit, the 1-tech to start the year was Terrell McClain who was playing very well in preseason and the first 2 games until he got injured. I"m not a Hayden fan, but he was set to be the backup so there wasn't too much favoritism as some people think.

And Hayden wasn't nearly the problem we had at safety. Wilcox does one thing well....play man coverage against TE's. But, he's not exactly Ronnie Lott. And he's horrendous is zone coverage...like Tony Dixon horrendous. And he can't tackle. That puts the defense in a real bind...especially when he has to play the FS spot as Church has zero man coverage ability and can't play deep zone coverage and really can't play mid-range zone coverage either. And his tackling wasn't all that great in the open field either.

If you're playing man with the corners, you better have good safeties to get the INT's because unless you're Richard Sherman or Revis...your CB's are not going to get a lot of picks in man coverage.

And if you're going to play zone, you better have a good pass rush and having a run stopping 1-tech isn't the answer to getting a better pass rush. But, you also better have corners who can play zone which means they had better be able to tackle and have safeties that can play short, intermediate and deep zone coverage (and some man when it calls for it) and be able to tackle as well.

And even after the DB situation is fixed...it's still a larger priority to fix the MLB position in this defense than to fix the 1-tech.

We better hope that Scandrick comes back to his old form and that we can get some defense out of guys like Terrance Mitchell and pick up some FA's that can play and hopefully get a corner in the draft that can contribute. Hopefully they'll try and pick up Weddle and let Byron play FS full time with some one-on-one against elite TE's and large WR's. And then hope that Damien Wilson can come in and perform better than Ro McClain did last year. We could have the greatest DT's in the world, if we don't fix the MIKE, the corners and the safeties, it's just going to be the same ole disappointment.







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[Doomsday101]

And by the way, people will focus on Ware and Miller and rightfully so.

But if Marinelli watched that game last night and then still concludes Hayden is his ideal 1 tech and we don't need to upgrade, then all hope is lost.

Newton had nowhere to go because the interior guys for Denver just collapsed that pocket from the inside and they never let Stewart get going in the run game.

I don't give a crap where they get the guys - FA, 1st roundm, 2nd round, 3rd round, 5th round, whatever - there needs to be a serious infusion of talent at the 1 tech.

I agree I think the DE rack up the numbers but even Denver DL players credit Derek Wolfe as a big part of it at DT.