DMN Blog: Deion filets Roy (WR) Williams

[bbgun]

go look at his stats from last year while playing with 3 different terrible qbs and on the worst team in NFL history.

Which is a major indictment of Roy in Detroit.

 

[Rampage]

Which is a major indictment of Roy in Detroit.

no way man. he's a bum just like deion says. nevermind his been a #1 wr everywhere he's been since highschool.

 

[MWILL]

go look at his stats from last year while playing with 3 different terrible qbs and on the worst team in NFL history.

That doesn't make him a top 5 WR. I would've put steve smith over C. Johnson right now. I think Calvin is good, but not top 5 yet.

I know you Hate T.O. but he is one of the top WR's in the NFL. If not top 5 he has to be #6 or #7.

 

[Rampage]

That doesn't make him a top 5 WR. I would've put steve smith over C. Johnson right now. I think Calvin is good, but not top 5 yet.

I know you Hate T.O. but he is one of the top WR's in the NFL. If not top 5 he has to be #6 or #7.

megatron will pick up T.O. and snap him in half!

 

[Vintage]

Calvin is a stud.

Wish we had him instead of Roy Williams.

 

[juck]

TO is old.:laugh1:

 

[igtmfo]

Here's what I worry about with Jerry's courting of RW ..

I read that RW was a pet project of Jerry the last few years and he would ask the Lions' owner at meetings what the price was. Two number ones was the cost, until lately.

When the Lions' owner got back to Jerry that the price had dropped to about what Jerry paid .. Question:

Did Jerry at that point tell his pro personnel staff, his scouts ... to look at film on RW, to get opinions on whether he was worth this kind of ransom.

I doubt Jerry did. He and Stephen probably talked long and hard about RW's contract, but I doubt if there was any big effort by scouts to dissuade Jerry that RW wasn't worth that kind of scratch. Jerry had made up his mind, and was rubbing his hands.

As posters here have said, JJ and SJ were smart, in that signing RW midseason helped absorb the future bonus/salary cap hit ... the contract was wisely thought about I'm sure. The trade was a hedge against future TO decline, any kind of TO incident in the offseason etc. .... And RW would take double coverage off TO last season, help a Super Bowl run.

My worry is that RW's actual talent wasn't really evaluated at the time of the trade, except in Jerry's mind. He had made up his mind on RW years before.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I find it laughable that all of a sudden RW11 is a scrub, cant beat single coverage, doesnt practice, ect......


The dude was a straight up baller at UT, I watched many of his games in Austin. There was nobody on the field that could cover the guy, seriously.

He then was drafted by one of the worst teams in the NFL with practice squad level talent at QB and responded by making the probowl.

Jerry himself has said that Roy has been working out at Valley Ranch with Tony, but apparently that is a body double because Prime Time says he doesnt practice. (This is the same Deon that avoided practice like the plague when he played and made the comment that it was a "business decision" to not make tackles).

So Deon busting Roy's balls about practice habits is about as hypocritical as you can get.



I also remember alot of guys on this board were screaming for another WR after teams started "bracketing" TO and Roy Williams was always mentioned along with Fitzgerald and others.

These same posters are now pissing on the trade and crying about how we got raped by the Lions. Yet another case of hypocrisy at its finest!!!

 

[CF74]

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Deon is starting to remind be of Al Bundy. "Did I ever tell you about the time I scored 4 touchdowns in high school?"

 

[Beast_from_East]

Here's what I worry about with Jerry's courting of RW ..

I read that RW was a pet project of Jerry the last few years and he would ask the Lions' owner at meetings what the price was. Two number ones was the cost, until lately.

When the Lions' owner got back to Jerry that the price had dropped to about what Jerry paid .. Question:

Did Jerry at that point tell his pro personnel staff, his scouts ... to look at film on RW, to get opinions on whether he was worth this kind of ransom.

I doubt Jerry did. He and Stephen probably talked long and hard about RW's contract, but I doubt if there was any big effort by scouts to dissuade Jerry that RW wasn't worth that kind of scratch. Jerry had made up his mind, and was rubbing his hands.

As posters here have said, JJ and SJ were smart, in that signing RW midseason helped absorb the future bonus/salary cap hit ... the contract was wisely thought about I'm sure. The trade was a hedge against future TO decline, any kind of TO incident in the offseason etc. .... And RW would take double coverage off TO last season, help a Super Bowl run.

My worry is that RW's actual talent wasn't really evaluated at the time of the trade, except in Jerry's mind. He had made up his mind on RW years before.

Dude, Roy is not freaking 35 yrs old here. You are making it sound like he was a baller back in the day, but he has now lost all of his skills compared to when he was younger.

He is 27 and made the probowl the year before last!!!!!!!



How the hell has his skills deminished in 2 freaking seasons during the prime of his career???

 

[CantonBound08]

Deion's always been a moron. I find it amusing that he questions Roy Williams practice habits when Deion never cared for practice either.

Further, as theebs pointed out, Deion didn't let the facts or any research get in the way of pontificating on the rough season ahead for Witten. If nine toed Deion had done any research or had one ounce of credibility, he would have seen that Witten in 2004 caught 87 passes for 980 yards with Methusela at QB and the slow footed Keyshawn at wideout. Terry Glenn played 6 games that year. Eddie George was your run game as well, until Julius returned for the final 7 games. Seems #82 did ok with alot less weapons around him in 04.

:clap2:

 

[dadymat]

I find it laughable that all of a sudden RW11 is a scrub, cant beat single coverage, doesnt practice, ect......


The dude was a straight up baller at UT, I watched many of his games in Austin. There was nobody on the field that could cover the guy, seriously.

He then was drafted by one of the worst teams in the NFL with practice squad level talent at QB and responded by making the probowl.

Jerry himself has said that Roy has been working out at Valley Ranch with Tony, but apparently that is a body double because Prime Time says he doesnt practice. (This is the same Deon that avoided practice like the plague when he played and made the comment that it was a "business decision" to not make tackles).

So Deon busting Roy's balls about practice habits is about as hypocritical as you can get.



I also remember alot of guys on this board were screaming for another WR after teams started "bracketing" TO and Roy Williams was always mentioned along with Fitzgerald and others.

These same posters are now pissing on the trade and crying about how we got raped by the Lions. Yet another case of hypocrisy at its finest!!!

agree 100%

 

[MWILL]

Calvin is a stud.

Wish we had him instead of Roy Williams.

Detroit Lions are stupid! but not that stupid! I would keep Calvin too.

 

[speedkilz88]

That doesn't make him a top 5 WR. I would've put steve smith over C. Johnson right now. I think Calvin is good, but not top 5 yet.

I know you Hate T.O. but he is one of the top WR's in the NFL. If not top 5 he has to be #6 or #7.

In eight of his games last year he had 38 yds or less. That is not #6 or #7 production.

 

[RESIN8]

Roy Williams ran a 4.42 40 in the 04 combine. Dude must be slow.

 

[Next_years_Champs]

Gosh how will TOs tremendous production ever be replaced? What a joke.

I'll guarantee you one thing, We will win at least as many play-off games with Roy Williams as we did with the GREAT TO.

 

[TD-33]

Come to think of it, Deion kinda slammed Roy during the Baltimore telecast. He kept noting thas Reed was shadowing TO on every play, leaving Roy one-on-one with a corner--matchups he wasn't winning.

Maybe T.O. wanting the ball every snap had something to do with Romo not looking for Roy? Or Romo forcing the ball to T.O. over and over?

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

OH really, why is that?

I dont think roy williams is anything more than just a good player. I have heard analysts who actually know what they are talking about comment that roy williams is a very poor route runner and he seems lazy.

The difference is, I dont see him as replacing buffalo bill. I see him as just a good player who can help this team with the other good players around him.

Especially if he is motivated by all the negative attention he got to be a better player.

I dont care about wr stats that much and I only want roy williams to do as much as he can to help the team win, if it is 3 catches a game and 750 yards at the end of the year and we are in the playoffs and win, It wont matter to me.

I just want guys who are there to help the team win and contribute every way they can every down. So when the williams isnt buffalo bill war is raging on here in the summer I wont care 1 iota because you dont need 1500 yard wr to win the superbowl, just guys who give it their all and contribute every snap.

Now, go root for the browns mr. quinn.

If a player 'needs' to be motivated, especially AFTER getting paid, you dont see that as a red flag? Or are you just content with having a #1 WR with questionable work ethic?

 

[BruceWayne]

In eight of his games last year he had 38 yds or less. That is not #6 or #7 production.

How many of those 8 games did Brad Johnson play.

 

[wileedog]

I don’t think anyone is saying he needs TO to be a great player, but all TE’s need a WR as a threat to be effective.

What great WRs have Tony Gonzales or Antonio Gates ever played with?