Elite to Great QBs win Superbowls

[kskboys]

QB’s win championships. Defenses are just on whatever ride the QB takes them on.

Rarely does a defense actually win a championship and too many times a good performance in the Super Bowl by a defense, any defense, will make people say defense win championships.

The game is all about the Quarterback and nearly all the great QBs have a ring.

And what, praytell, does it take to stop a great QB?

 

[kskboys]

If you put Mahomes on the Lions with Rodgers nearly out the door they are competing for a Super Bowl within 3 years. Maybe 2.

It took Brady 1 year at the age of 43 to win a Super Bowl in Tampa.

And the Tampa D was the deciding factor.

Seriously, how are you missing such a huge part of the picture? Don't let your agenda get in the way of logic and solid thinking.

 

[CATCH17]

And the Tampa D was the deciding factor.

Seriously, how are you missing such a huge part of the picture? Don't let your agenda get in the way of logic and solid thinking.

Yes, Tampa defense played good in the Super Bowl and they’d have been sitting at home watching someone else play if not for Brady.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Eli’s second SB run in the playoffs was elite..

Again....not knocking anyone. Just saying it took more than just Eli to win those super bowls. The Giants had a top defense that was just as dominant. They gave up just 14 points per game through those 2011 playoffs. Eli played great, but i'm not sure I would say he won that super bowl for the Giants. If I had to replay that game and was given the choice of swapping Eli out for an average QB or swapping out that Dline for an average unit you better believe Eli is out of there.

 

[phildadon86]

Yes, Tampa defense played good in the Super Bowl and they’d have been sitting at home watching someone else play if not for Brady.

Actually. They would have been sitting at home if not for the OL. Tristan Wirfs allowed 0 sacks on the season. But sure. Its all Brady lol

 

[CATCH17]

And what, praytell, does it take to stop a great QB?

In this era? Not much you can do.

Pressure is about it.

A lot of these guys break the pocket and just create. Playing defense is nearly impossible.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Yes, Tampa defense played good in the Super Bowl and they’d have been sitting at home watching someone else play if not for Brady.

I guess I'm confused by what you are trying to argue here? Obviously teams will have more success with a strong QB, I dont think anyone is arguing against that.

 

[lukin2006]

Eli Manning, Elite. Lmao..

 

[CATCH17]

Actually. They would have been sitting at home if not for the OL. Tristan Wirfs allowed 0 sacks on the season. But sure. Its all Brady lol

Brady gets the ball out quick. That’s why he’s 44 and still playing.

A set of chairs and someone to shape the ball in front of him would do the job.

He doesn’t hold it and wait for someone to become obviously wide open before throwing like Stats Prescott.

 

[cffl2323]

Seems like the two sides in this age old argument are 1) defense wins championships 2) QB's win championships. I think if you're grading the two on a 1-10 scale, you need about a combined 16 or better to win it all. So you could do it with an elite, 10 grade, defense and a so-so QB, vice versa, or a good balance between the two with both being solidly above average.

Obviously a lot of other things that go into a title team, but if you could only pick two most are taking a great QB and a great defense.

 

[CATCH17]

I guess I'm confused by what you are trying to argue here? Obviously teams will have more success with a strong QB, I dont think anyone is arguing against that.

I said QBs win championships and the defense is on whatever ride the QB takes them on.

There are a few exceptions but it’s an offensive league.

The Cowboys defense is more than good enough to win a championship with. We need our QB to step up.

 

[phildadon86]

Brady gets the ball out quick. That’s why he’s 44 and still playing.

A set of chairs and someone to shape the ball in front of him would do the job.

He doesn’t hold it and wait for someone to become obviously wide open before throwing like Stats Prescott.

LOL. You just have no shame do you? You are impossible to argue with because you just move the goalposts until you think you made a point. Kinda like Parsons. Remember when the DPOY was a bad pick? Keep it up. You're on fire

 

[Diehardblues]

Mahomes
Brady
Foles
Brady
Manning (somewhat)
Brady
Wilson
Flacco
E. Manning
Rodgers
Brees
Big Ben
Eli
P. Manning
Big Ben
Brady
Brady
Johnson
Brady
Dilfer



That's 21 years of Super Bowls, and those that will likely make the Hall of Fame make up 17 of those wins.

Brady skews those numbers.

 

[phildadon86]

I said QBs win championships and the defense is on whatever ride the QB takes them on.

There are a few exceptions but it’s an offensive league.

The Cowboys defense is more than good enough to win a championship with. We need our QB to step up.

Again wrong. Brad Johnson won a SB with Tampa against the high powered Raiders offense. What happened there? Warren Sapp was throwing the ball?

 

[kskboys]

Yes, Tampa defense played good in the Super Bowl and they’d have been sitting at home watching someone else play if not for Brady.

Absolutely!!

Catchy, I'm not the one claiming there's only one factor to winning a super bowl. The QB is the main ingredient, no doubt. However, the QB needs a D. Name a super bowl that was won w/o a good/great D performance.

Order of importance to winning a super bowl: QB, DLine, OLine. Formula is, protect your QB, get to theirs. If you can't stop the other team, your chances of winning go way down. Look what happened in Brady vs Foles. The NE D was 29th in yds allowed. And for those of you who try to claim yards don't matter, the NE D was 5th in points allowed. But, those yards allowed suddenly mattered when they couldn't stop Foles from walking up and down the field on them. Brady's 33 points were suddenly not enough. Why? BECAUSE HIS D COULDN'T STOP THE OTHER TEAM.

Think about that. It took D to win. Brady, the best QB of his era, lost. Because he had no D. Think, Catchy, think.

 

[kskboys]

In this era? Not much you can do.

Pressure is about it.

A lot of these guys break the pocket and just create. Playing defense is nearly impossible.

Tampa didn't think so.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Yes, Tampa defense played good in the Super Bowl and they’d have been sitting at home watching someone else play if not for Brady.

No they would've if they still had winston...seriously flawed thinking that only Brady would have lead that team to a SB......there are a few QB's in the spectrum between Winston and Brady..right?

 

[Diehardblues]

Instead of counting Brady each time as another SB QB let’s count actually how many HOFamers we have in this group.

Brady, P Manning,Rodgers, Brees &Rothleisburger

E Manning and Wilson is a possibility but not a lock .
Mahomes continues should be.

And there’s 4 definitely not: Foles, Flacco, Dilfer& Johnson

5 definitely, 4 definitely not and 3 maybes.

So while having an Elite (HOF) QB enhances your chances of winning a championship it’s not an all or nothing solution.

 

[phildadon86]

Absolutely!!

Catchy, I'm not the one claiming there's only one factor to winning a super bowl. The QB is the main ingredient, no doubt. However, the QB needs a D. Name a super bowl that was won w/o a good/great D performance.

Order of importance to winning a super bowl: QB, DLine, OLine. Formula is, protect your QB, get to theirs. If you can't stop the other team, your chances of winning go way down. Look what happened in Brady vs Foles. The NE D was 29th in yds allowed. And for those of you who try to claim yards don't matter, the NE D was 5th in points allowed. But, those yards allowed suddenly mattered when they couldn't stop Foles from walking up and down the field on them. Brady's 33 points were suddenly not enough. Why? BECAUSE HIS D COULDN'T STOP THE OTHER TEAM.

Think about that. It took D to win. Brady, the best QB of his era, lost. Because he had no D. Think, Catchy, think.

Do you remember when Tampa won with Brad Johnson. Against the high flying offense of the Raiders? I do. Tell me. Who won that game for Tampa? Was it Brad Johnson? Or Warren Sapp and company?

 

[RaZon]

Terry Bradshaw was not a great QB and he won 4 of them, while great QB'S....

Dan Marino
Fran Tarkenton
John Unitas
Jim Kelly
Dan Fouts
Warren Moon
Phillip Rivers

.....never won even one.

Jim McMahan won a Superbowl.

Far more to this than just the QB,