First impressive Jaylon video



I know a lot of posters on here don't give Dr. Chao any credit. I'm just sharing this info from Werder and Chao.


Where does he come off saying it's permanent when the doctor who did the operation and is one of the best in the field apparently said it'll be 9-15 months for full recovery? And even if it didn't fire, it's not permanent (as in that's it, it's over) ...I mean there are nerve grafts that have been successful as another option. This guy just wants the retweets more than anything else. Armchair doctor
 
FWIW, I caught Werder on NFL Insiders a few minutes ago.

Said again he's wearing a "bulky" brace that's noticeable in the videos (EDITOR NOTE: He might be wearing a brace but it's not bulky and it's tough to see). Said he still has drop foot. Polian went on to talk about how he was #1A as the best player in the draft along with Elliott. Werder then recited a story where he was talking with Stephen Jones about how great their rookies Elliott and Prescott were and Stephen cut him off and said that the best rookie might not have even played yet in Smith. Polian said even at 85%, he would have Pro Bowl talent.

Overall not much new other than Werder confirming his tweets.
 
Smh...

By now, everyone on this board has a crystal clear idea of what drop foot is. Repeating what it is doesn't advance the conversation nor is it relevant to the discussion.

Fuzzy and you are completely wrong about the function of an AFO and flexion it provides. He won't admit to it because he's an intellectual coward, however, people can educate themselves and better understand what Jaylon will be capable of with an AFO.

This video demonstrates the built-in flexibility of the device and at the :57 mark he's flexing the AFO in the same manner you would if you were pushing your forefoot down as you do when you walk/run.



Well there are rigid AFOs, hinged AFOs, semi-rigid AFOs, flexible AFOs, and all different kinds as people come up with new medical devices. Your problem is that the brace we have seen him wear doesn't look like that.

CpMVKpZUEAAQwEk.jpg

Notice the two bolts? That means it is this product:

http://www.richiebrace.com/index.php/products/the-richie-brace-restricted-hinge.html

That is a rigid AFO which is what is used for people with a complete palsy causing drop foot.

Even the flexible ones only allow minimal range of motion often in only one direction so for example one could do a heel to toe walking motion but still not drop the foot. The one you are wishcasting would not allow him to angle his foot ~45 degrees so he could land on the balls of his feet.

If he had moved to a less rigid brace that gave less support that would be progress as the change that would precipitate such a thing would be strength returning to the foot to support it at least partially on his own. Only way that happens is if the nerve is firing.

I get the impression that you really have not thought this through and are mindlessly arguing individual points trying to 'win.' You seem to have no concept of the type of injury he has had or what it really did to limit him. Else you wouldn't be attributing flexible AFOs to people with zero dorsiflexion.

Protip: drop foot is not the only reason to wear such braces. There are neurological diseases like MS that cause weakness and partial paralysis that use them. That is opposed to the complete paralysis that Jaylon would have if his nerve has not fired yet.
 
FWIW, I caught Werder on NFL Insiders a few minutes ago.

Said again he's wearing a "bulky" brace that's noticeable in the videos (EDITOR NOTE: He might be wearing a brace but it's not bulky and it's tough to see). Said he still has drop foot. Polian went on to talk about how he was #1A as the best player in the draft along with Elliott. Werder then recited a story where he was talking with Stephen Jones about how great their rookies Elliott and Prescott were and Stephen cut him off and said that the best rookie might not have even played yet in Smith. Polian said even at 85%, he would have Pro Bowl talent.

Overall not much new other than Werder confirming his tweets.

I don't notice it at all. He certainly is not wearing the bulky brace he has before as pictured in my previous post.
 
I don't notice it at all. He certainly is not wearing the bulky brace he has before as pictured in my previous post.

Yeah I am not sure where Werder was going with that one. He may have a brace on but it certainly isn't bulky or noticeable in those videos.
 
Yeah I am not sure where Werder was going with that one. He may have a brace on but it certainly isn't bulky or noticeable in those videos.

I guess Werder did not say how dated his info is...
 
Well there are rigid AFOs, hinged AFOs, semi-rigid AFOs, flexible AFOs, and all different kinds as people come up with new medical devices. Your problem is that the brace we have seen him wear doesn't look like that.

CpMVKpZUEAAQwEk.jpg

Notice the two bolts? That means it is this product:

http://www.richiebrace.com/index.php/products/the-richie-brace-restricted-hinge.html

That is a rigid AFO which is what is used for people with a complete palsy causing drop foot.

Even the flexible ones only allow minimal range of motion often in only one direction so for example one could do a heel to toe walking motion but still not drop the foot. The one you are wishcasting would not allow him to angle his foot ~45 degrees so he could land on the balls of his feet.

If he had moved to a less rigid brace that gave less support that would be progress as the change that would precipitate such a thing would be strength returning to the foot to support it at least partially on his own. Only way that happens is if the nerve is firing.

I get the impression that you really have not thought this through and are mindlessly arguing individual points trying to 'win.' You seem to have no concept of the type of injury he has had or what it really did to limit him. Else you wouldn't be attributing flexible AFOs to people with zero dorsiflexion.

Protip: drop foot is not the only reason to wear such braces. There are neurological diseases like MS that cause weakness and partial paralysis that use them. That is opposed to the complete paralysis that Jaylon would have if his nerve has not fired yet.


And in classic fashion you conveniently don't mention the picture you just posted was from months ago (training camp I believe).

For your claim to work you'd have to believe Jaylon has made no progress, which is ironic because you're bullish on his recovery status, but you've never let a thing like hypocrisy stop you. Go figure.

And your point about Jaylon's nerve recovering and firing is what? I've never disputed that. I'm right on board with that prognosis. I believe his nerve has regrown and the innervation into the muscle is taking place, strength and function are returning, but there is still progress to be made.

Now watch. Predictably you're going to hang your hat on a photo from months ago and claim that it's still applicable to Jaylon's health status today.

This about what an AFO is and its function. You've likened yourself as an expert and got caught blindly ignorant as to what an AFO can do. Your understanding is that they act like a rigid ski boot, immobilizing the foot/ankle and preventing any kind of flexion.

Now go research it some more, be enlightened and come back and claim your own personal inquiry has revealed new information and that you've self corrected, lol.

I don't need the credit but you owe it to the less fortunate that believe in your act.
 
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FWIW, I caught Werder on NFL Insiders a few minutes ago.

Said again he's wearing a "bulky" brace that's noticeable in the videos (EDITOR NOTE: He might be wearing a brace but it's not bulky and it's tough to see). Said he still has drop foot. Polian went on to talk about how he was #1A as the best player in the draft along with Elliott. Werder then recited a story where he was talking with Stephen Jones about how great their rookies Elliott and Prescott were and Stephen cut him off and said that the best rookie might not have even played yet in Smith. Polian said even at 85%, he would have Pro Bowl talent.

Overall not much new other than Werder confirming his tweets.
Polian doesn't shy away from hyperbole but this is why I hope he can help the defense - maybe even have a major impact. He may not have to get back to his pre-injury self to be a dude.
 
Hating= he is still wearing the brace, so that means he will definitely never be any good, or good enough to justify his draft status.

Reasonable= he is still wearing the brace, so we need more information before jumping to any conclusions either way


Most everyone in this thread is jumping to conclusions one way or another.

It is wildly unfair and a bit silly to assume some other poster is "hating" because they are more or less optimistic about Jaylon's medical recovery and his impact as a Cowboy.

Is a doctor "hating on you" if he diagnoses you with an ailment or limitation? It's really a smear on other posters to use that kind of language.

Nobody here wants anything than the best for him personally and professionally. We are all Cowboy fans.
 
Well there are rigid AFOs, hinged AFOs, semi-rigid AFOs, flexible AFOs, and all different kinds as people come up with new medical devices. Your problem is that the brace we have seen him wear doesn't look like that.

CpMVKpZUEAAQwEk.jpg

Notice the two bolts? That means it is this product:

http://www.richiebrace.com/index.php/products/the-richie-brace-restricted-hinge.html

That is a rigid AFO which is what is used for people with a complete palsy causing drop foot.

Even the flexible ones only allow minimal range of motion often in only one direction so for example one could do a heel to toe walking motion but still not drop the foot. The one you are wishcasting would not allow him to angle his foot ~45 degrees so he could land on the balls of his feet.

If he had moved to a less rigid brace that gave less support that would be progress as the change that would precipitate such a thing would be strength returning to the foot to support it at least partially on his own. Only way that happens is if the nerve is firing.

I get the impression that you really have not thought this through and are mindlessly arguing individual points trying to 'win.' You seem to have no concept of the type of injury he has had or what it really did to limit him. Else you wouldn't be attributing flexible AFOs to people with zero dorsiflexion.

Protip: drop foot is not the only reason to wear such braces. There are neurological diseases like MS that cause weakness and partial paralysis that use them. That is opposed to the complete paralysis that Jaylon would have if his nerve has not fired yet.
Thank you for your updates!
 
Nobody here wants anything than the best for him personally and professionally. We are all Cowboy fans.
I would like to think that. But some posters are more concerned with "being right" instead of "getting it right".

I agree with a lot of your post.
 
This side fight between Fuzzy and Poly escalated quickly!

We should be celebrating what seems to be the first video that clearly shows the nerve is apparently 'firing' and the recovery is progressing.
1 year ago, that was the #1 concern.
Now we are passed the if the nerve will reconnect question.
9 months ago, the question is whether he would ever see the football field again.
It is readily apparent he can play - though currently the level of play is not certain TO US.
Instead I dont understand focus on the AFO?
 
All arguments aside, I remember reading an article somewhere (possibly the Dallas Morning News Cowboys website) that said Jaylon is still wearing the brace for drop foot, but might not need it by the time training camp opens.

I also remember Smith himself saying he could play with the brace on if he had to. When you're as freakishly athletic as he is, I believe him. Even a Jaylon Smith with 80-85 percent mobility is better than 80-85 percent of the linebackers playing in this league today.

I am personally stoked.
 
DMN said:
The focus now for Smith is to improve his motor function, with his body needing to catch up to his nerve starting to fire so that it works in near unison. Right now, Smith's reaction is behind his nerve.

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...-leg-regenerating-helped-playoffs-elite-level

This was written on Jan 5. The picture with his nieces without him wearing a brace is from December.

It all lends to the notion that he is seeing steady progress in innervating his peroneal.
 
I would like to think that. But some posters are more concerned with "being right" instead of "getting it right".

No doubt about that! This thread has become quite a pssing contest.

I understand the emotions as we are all eager to see Jaylon hit the field with force...but also leery of getting our hopes up until we know more.
 
I get that but it is misinformation that he is spreading so I am trying to put verifiable evidence out there.

I engender that type of response in a lot of men and a few women. I like to argue and they see it as a competition so they try to 'win' while I try to Socratic in my approach. I'm used to it as I have been dealing with it my entire life so it's not like I am over here getting worked up.
He is undoubtedly far along.


instead of thanking you for the work in freeze framing the video, they are now dragging you into secondary issues like the afo.
anyone looking at your frames can see that total drop foot is clearly gone
so even they are facing up to the reality that jaylon is clearly recovering.
 
http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...-leg-regenerating-helped-playoffs-elite-level

This was written on Jan 5. The picture with his nieces without him wearing a brace is from December.

It all lends to the notion that he is seeing steady progress in innervating his peroneal.
I missed that picture. Was he just lounging around or out somewhere?
 

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