First impressive Jaylon video

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Are you a medical expert and have you examined Smith? I'm sure you're not you're just going off everything you're reading. There's no guarantees he'll return to form which is why he fell into the second round. You're saying Smith could "probably" play with a brace right now but you don't know that. Playing and playing effectively are two different things. My argument is no one knows for sure if Smith will return to the form he displayed in college, not you or any medical expert. Don't tell me what he can probably do now because you're no closer to the situation than anyone else here.

You don't need to be a medical expert to see that Smith is pointing his foot down and picking it back up to level at the top of the jump to point it back down again as he jumps over the hurdles in the OP. I have posted still of it for the visually and computer challenged.

You don't need to be a medical expert to read Brandon George's report over at the DMN where he reports that Jaylon's body is catching up to the nerve starting to fire.

That is exactly what we see in the OP. In the first segment he is jumping over hurdles so he only has to lift his foot at the top of the jumps at a rate of around once per second. In the later drills we see him with his feet taped up to help lift the foot as he is chopping his feet multiple times per second as he does lateral agility drills.

If you want to say that he will never get better than there is nothing we can say to argue that. You are ignoring the huge milestone of the nerve firing and progress that we have seen over the last several months. If you want to bet it stops now then so be it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There are disadvantages to a team being run by an owner/GM. We've seen those, though there is evidence of mitigation. But there are advantages, as well.

Only a subset of teams would have taken Smith knowing he was highly unlikely to play his rookie season. That would have been true even if there appeared to be a strong chance of great future success. Many GMs are not guaranteed to survive beyond a single season. They are heavily invested in taking players who offer immediate help.

Jones is not going to be shown the door. That has its downside. He can afford to wait for a player like Smith to make a contrubution. Let us hope we are going to get a payoff from the upside of the equation.

I have my doubts that any second round defensive player would have been the difference in 13-3 and out versus a Super Bowl. Obviously that is unknowable.

Maybe this is a calculated risk that pays a big dividend. We shall see. In the meantime, I appreciate the updates and insight regarding Smith's rehab. I don't expect anyone to prove each point. The fact the effort is being made to inform and even speculate is plenty enough for me.

The main benefit is you can have a long view where most coaches and GMs cannot absorb more than one bad season.

 

[KJJ]

'if' CAN mean 'never'.
you just like to raise the worst possible scenario to support your point of taking risks with 2nd round picks.

"if" isn't" "never" it's conditional and "never" has no chance of happening. I didn't use "never" but you claimed I did and you're dead wrong! You have to look at every scenario, worst and best case when using a premium draft pick on a player. The jury is still out on Smith and I haven't come to any conclusions with him and don't try and spin that I have.

 

[KJJ]

You don't need to be a medical expert to see that Smith is pointing his foot down and picking it back up to level at the top of the jump to point it back down again as he jumps over the hurdles in the OP. I have posted still of it for the visually and computer challenged.

You don't need to be a medical expert to read Brandon George's report over at the DMN where he reports that Jaylon's body is catching up to the nerve starting to fire.

That is exactly what we see in the OP. In the first segment he is jumping over hurdles so he only has to lift his foot at the top of the jumps at a rate of around once per second. In the later drills we see him with his feet taped up to help lift the foot as he is chopping his feet multiple times per second as he does lateral agility drills.

If you want to say that he will never get better than there is nothing we can say to argue that. You are ignoring the huge milestone of the nerve firing and progress that we have seen over the last several months. If you want to bet it stops now then so be it.

No one is questioning if he's pointing his foot down and picking it back up at the top of his jump, that's still a long way from playing football at a high level. I NEVER said he will never get better, can't you read??? You you have the same agenda as the other guy, you're twisting my comments.

 

[waldoputty]

wow
so are there some here who are pessimistic or routing against JS?
EVERY pick is a risk. with draft we had, the Smith pick is an EXCELLENT risk!! (now)
Seems like there is a miss understanding. The nerve was NOT torn. thats a whole different issue
the nerve recovering is actually expected (less "risk").
as with most injuries, lets just let him recover.
he will be fine

if the other teams knew in last May that jaylon would be at this stage now, he would have gone earlier...

people handle risk and uncertainty differently.
some did not like risking the 2nd round pick on Jaylon
that is understandable.

however, to throw crap on his recovery results seems to be going too far.
people forget that all draft picks are risks and it is just which risk you choose- talent risk, injury risk (jaylon) or crazy risk (gregory)
with hindsight, they then think we could have that player instead or the other player instead...

people need to be reminded the statistics of drafting a multiyear starter (nevermind a potential generational player)
getting a LB starter in 2nd round is only 55%! Nevermind a Luke Kuechly type player.
1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)
2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)
3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%)
4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%)
5th Round - TE (32%) DB (17%) WR (16%) OL (16%) DL (13%) RB (9%) LB (4%) QB (0%)
6th Round - TE (26%) OL (16%) DL (13%) WR (9%) DB (8%) RB (6%) LB (5%) QB (0%)
7th Round - DB (11%) OL (9%) QB (6%) WR (5%) DL (3%) LB (2%) RB (0%) TE (0%)

 

[waldoputty]

No one is questioning if he's pointing his foot down and picking it back up at the top of his jump, that's still a long way from playing football at a high level. I NEVER said he will never get better, can't you read??? Stop twisting my comments.

'If' means may be never...
Any english majors here?

The point here is not for us to beat on each other so I suggest we stop with this.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No one is questioning if he's pointing his foot down and picking it back up at the top of his jump, that's still a long way from playing football at a high level. I NEVER said he will never get better, can't you read??? You're twisting my comments.

Do you disagree that his nerve is now firing?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

'If' means may be never...
Any english majors here?

The point here is not for us to beat on each other so I suggest we stop with this.

You cannot allow him to phrase the argument. He will try to overwhelm you with walls of text and dissemble dissemble dissemble. Just ignore it and phrase it in terms you are comfortable with.

 

[waldoputty]

You cannot allow him to phrase the argument. He will try to overwhelm you with walls of text and dissemble dissemble dissemble. Just ignore it and phrase it in terms you are comfortable with.

His real point is that he was against using a 2nd round pick on Jaylon- which is understandable.
I dont agree with it, but it is understandable.

 

[KJJ]

Do you disagree that his nerve is now firing?

I don't know if his nerve is firing. It was reported weeks ago that it was firing then another report was posted contradicting that. Too many conflicting reports and I don't waste my time reading all of them.

 

[waldoputty]

I don't know if his nerve is firing. It was reported weeks ago that it was firing then another report was posted contradicting that. Too many conflicting reports and I don't waste my time reading all of them.

If you say his foot was moving up and down, then there is only 1 way for it to be doing that.
The brain must pass the command to the muscle through the nerve...

 

[KJJ]

'If' means may be never...
Any english majors here?

The point here is not for us to beat on each other so I suggest we stop with this.

You responded to me and clearly twisted what I said. I have come to no conclusions regarding Jaylon Smith. I haven't once used the word "never" with him.

 

[waldoputty]

You responded to me and clearly twisted what I said. I have come to no conclusions regarding Jaylon Smith. I haven't once used the word "never" with him.

Your comment was "That's going to remain a big question until he's cleared to practice, if he ever is."

That means you are questioning even if Jaylon will EVER return to practice.
If he does not ever do it - that is never...

That was probably hyperbole on YOUR part, but it is what it is.
I understand you are against the pick, but try to be objective on the recovery since he is already a cowboy

 

[big dog cowboy]

There was talk at least from Jerry that Smith might be able to play at the end of this past season and that didn't happen. Here we are in Feb and he's still doing drills and rehabbing.

If he weren't on IR he could have played.

We all fully expected him to be doing drills and rehabbing in Feb. Guess what? He will next month. And the month after. No surprises.

I get it you want to see plays. Will you settle for OTA's? If not, I suggest you sit out any more Jaylon Smith threads until August.

 

[KJJ]

Your comment was "That's going to remain a big question until he's cleared to practice, if he ever is."

That means you are questioning even if Jaylon will EVER return to practice.
That was probably hyperbole on YOUR part, but it is what it is.

Questioning whether Smith will return to practice isn't saying he never will return to practice which is what you claimed I said. The word "never" hasn't come up in one single post I've made on Jaylon Smith. It doesn't take much to twist a comment and you're twisting what I said.

 

[KJJ]

If he weren't on IR he could have played.

We all fully expected him to be doing drills and rehabbing in Feb. Guess what? He will next month. And the month after. No surprises.

I get it you want to see plays. Will you settle for OTA's? If not, I suggest you sit out any more Jaylon Smith threads until August.

He was put on IR for a reason. If Jerry felt he could play in the final game or two and help us in the playoffs he wouldn't have been put on IR. Seeing him participate in OTA's would be a positive start because he'll be practicing football and not off to the side rehabbing.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't know if his nerve is firing. It was reported weeks ago that it was firing then another report was posted contradicting that. Too many conflicting reports and I don't waste my time reading all of them.

So seeing him pick his foot back up as he is jumping doesn't affect your opinion?

 

[waldoputty]

Questioning whether Smith will return to practice isn't saying he never will return to practice which is what you claimed I said. The word "never" hasn't come up in one single post I've made on Jaylon Smith. It doesn't take much to twist a comment and you're twisting what I said.

"That's going to remain a big question until he's cleared to practice, if he ever is."
You are questioning if he is ever cleared for practice.
never clears for practice = he never plays

That was probably hyperbole on YOUR part, but it is what it is.
I understand you are against the pick, but try to be objective on the recovery since he is already a cowboy

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

His real point is that he was against using a 2nd round pick on Jaylon- which is understandable.
I dont agree with it, but it is understandable.

He really has no point. He just likes the attention.

 

[waldoputty]

He really has no point. He just likes the attention.

a lot of people were against the pick because they did not like the uncertainty.
the psychology of decision theory actually discusses how many do not make rational decisions under uncertainty.

that is partially why we got jaylon at a good price - because many gm's felt the same way.
plus the fact that the gm's could not afford taking the risk if it blew up.
jaylon may still only be an average or worse player, but i like our odds, particularly right now...