First impressive Jaylon video

[Bohuntr97]

Right, there is a good possibility of a near-complete recovery where a brace is totally not needed.
though ankle protection may not be a bad idea given nerve injury may increase change for ankle accident (even if the specialist measures 100% recovery in function).
I know people who had '100%' recovery that the reinnervated muscle suffered from sudden lost of control if it got tired...

Yep, if needed keep the brace on! He's still an animal with a brace and can help our D.

 

[Bizwah]

I dont think anyone can be sure.
But an AFO cannot actually move the foot up and down.
So there is definitely some recovery there.
He used the word 'complete' there
I think because there is at least some return of functionality.

I'm not too sure.

If what I've read is accurate, he can push off with the foot. He cannot flatten his foot back. He would scuff the ground with his toes because of the drop foot.

The brace helps spring his foot back into place after pushing off. I think what we are interpreting as Smith lifting his foot into place is actually the brace doing its job.

But I would gladly be wrong.

 

[Bohuntr97]

Yep, if needed keep the brace on! He's still an animal with a brace and can help our D.

Maybe that's the question: Even with a brace, is he an upgrade for our D?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not too sure.

If what I've read is accurate, he can push off with the foot. He cannot flatten his foot back. He would scuff the ground with his toes because of the drop foot.

The brace helps spring his foot back into place after pushing off. I think what we are interpreting as Smith lifting his foot into place is actually the brace doing its job.

But I would gladly be wrong.

Foot down on the way up. Cannot do this with a brace working to keep the foot level

Flat foot at top of jump He picked the foot up to do this.

Down again to land on balls of feet. The left ankle appears weak. Note how it drops more than the right.

You can stop the video in the OP and advance if frame by frame to see Jaylon bend his ankle to push his foott down and the pick it back up through the range of motion.

I was mistaken about the trampolines. He is just jumping over hurdles.

 

[xwalker]

I dont think anyone can be sure.
But an AFO cannot actually move the foot up and down.
So there is definitely some recovery there.
He used the word 'complete' there
I think because there is at least some return of functionality.

The AFO does move the foot up. It's like having a spring on your foot that keeps your toes up.

He never lost the ability to push his toes down.

It's like door with an automatic closer. You open the door and the device closes it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The AFO does move the foot up. It's like having a spring on your foot that keeps your toes up.

He never lost the ability to push his toes down.

It's like door with an automatic closer. You open the door and the device closes it.

Those have a coil spring in them. That is not a simple hinge. The brace he used to wear says that it only allows 5 degrees of motion on its product page.

It's like a floor that keeps the foot up and does not let it down.

 

[waldoputty]

The AFO does move the foot up. It's like having a spring on your foot that keeps your toes up.

He never lost the ability to push his toes down.

It's like door with an automatic closer. You open the door and the device closes it.

if you look at the rate that he moves his foot up and down for the closely packed barriers, it is highly unlikely that any spring action of the AFO matches the rate he moves his foot up and down.
furthermore, the motion is controlled, unlike an open-loop system like a spring.

 

[waldoputty]

Yep, if needed keep the brace on! He's still an animal with a brace and can help our D.

i am guessing some type of protection but not necessarily an AFO.
but i am not orthopedic surgeon or doctor, but i would be worried about an ankle injury

 

[Bohuntr97]

The AFO does move the foot up. It's like having a spring on your foot that keeps your toes up.
You open the door and the device closes it.

If the door doesn't get opened, does it make a sound? lol

 

[Bohuntr97]

i am guessing some type of protection but not necessarily an AFO.
but i am not orthopedic surgeon or doctor, but i would be worried about an ankle injury

Same way. If no brace is needed there will still probably be a "tape job"

 

[waldoputty]

if you look at the rate that he moves his foot up and down for the closely packed barriers, it is highly unlikely that any spring action of the AFO matches the rate he moves his foot up and down.
furthermore, the motion is controlled, unlike an open-loop system like a spring.

forgot to mentioned - when I said open-loop - that also means there would be over travel and going back and forth until the friction in the system reduces the amplitude to the point that it is not noticeable. that is simply not the case in the video - there is simply no sign of any simple harmonic motion (if I remember simple mechanics correctly)

 

[waldoputty]

Same way. If no brace is needed there will still probably be a "tape job"

well there is sure a tape job on him in the video...
i would think there is something between an AFO and a tape job.
though i have no idea

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Same way. If no brace is needed there will still probably be a "tape job"

Which is exactly what he has in abundance for the rest of the drills in the OP. Looks to me like they are constantly pushing the envelope with his range of motion.

 

[xwalker]

Foot down on the way up. Cannot do this with a brace working to keep the foot level

The brace shown in the previous photo that you posted has a hinge on it. He can push his toe(s) down with the brace on. He could not run with the brace on if he was not able to push his toe(s) down.

The brace has a spring type action that pulls his toe(s) back up after he pushes off to run or jump.

 

[xwalker]

well there is sure a tape job on him in the video...
i would think there is something between an AFO and a tape job.
though i have no idea

Yes, there is a wide range of different AFO devices. Jaylon probably AFOs that are custom made so he a large number of options.

Just two examples. The 1st photo is a leaf-spring design where the device flexes like the leaf spring on some automobiles. The 2nd photo is hinged but still has a spring type action that pulls the toe(s) up.

 

[Bohuntr97]

well there is sure a tape job on him in the video...
i would think there is something between an AFO and a tape job.
though i have no idea

Why? Not trying to argue but players tape their ankles all the time. Even in practice. They do so to prevent an injury.

 

[waldoputty]

Yes, there is a wide range of different AFO devices. Jaylon probably AFOs that are custom made so he a large number of options.

Just two examples. The 1st photo is a leaf-spring design where the device flexes like the leaf spring on some automobiles. The 2nd photo is hinged but still has a spring type action that pulls the toe(s) up.

I am hoping he does not need an AFO - since it would reduce his performance by restricting his motion.
there must be some type of ankle support between an AFO and taping?

the concern I have is an injury to his ankle.
when i talked to the nerve researchers, we discussed injuries where the reinnervated muscles sometime give up when they get tired. If the muscle suddenly releases during an aggressive maneuver, he could do bad things to his ankle.
not saying that would happen, but that may be the biggest long term risk.

 

[waldoputty]

Why? Not trying to argue but players tape their ankles all the time. Even in practice. They do so to prevent an injury.

no problem.
tape is done, but I dont know if there is something between taping and an AFO.
i guess there could be more tape

 

[Bohuntr97]

no problem.
tape is done, but I dont know if there is something between taping and an AFO.
i guess there could be more tape

I love tape, taste's like Elmer's glue

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The brace shown in the previous photo that you posted has a hinge on it. He can push his toe(s) down with the brace on. He could not run with the brace on if he was not able to push his toe(s) down.

The brace has a spring type action that pulls his toe(s) back up after he pushes off to run or jump.

the brace in the my pic only allows limited range of motion not pointing the foot 45 degrees down like you see in the OP.

Either way, he is clearly not wearing the brace in the OP.