For the Garrett haters: Does Pederson get us to the SB in two years?

[JustChip]

We’re just pretending 2016 didn’t happen at all, now, right?

The problem is most fans look through the prism of their own emotional preconceived ideas. If you're a Garrett "hater", it's unlikely you'll see anything he does in a positive light. And, vice versa, if you're a Garrett "lover", you're unlikely to see anything he does in a negative light. The reality is he is not the best coach, but neither is he the worst. He is probably capable of leading a team to the SB given the right circumstances; I mean even Brian Billick was able to do that.

The reality also is that 2016 was an outstanding coaching job. And that's not just based on the 13-3 record, but on things like the adjustments they made in the SF game early in the year. The SF defense was confusing the heck out of Dak pre-snap and that game was about to go south big time, but the coaches responded by going hurry-up offense to prevent the defense from shift and changing pre-snap.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Don’t be intentionally dense.

If you can't be civil then don't post.

You cant see the difference between your run of the mill backup and a backup that is your next great QB. But then again, that doesnt suit your agenda that Garrett is your hero.

 

[CowboyRoy]

you have anger management issues..... you should seek help

You have low standard issues. You should seek help.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I never claimed garrett as the gold standard. I just relatively compared him to other cowboys coaches and other coaches in the NFL. you claim that he is the worst coach ever, is childish response to a debate and is argumentive at best....if that's your goal, then great, awesome, good for you..... but for you to vehemently defend Campo, tells us all we need to know about your agenda....I mean for Gawd's sake you blamed garrett for not resigning from his job and holding that against him....how childish.

My opinion is that he is the worst coach in Cowboys history. I dont defend Campo at all. Ill say it again...........Campo is a joke for a coach. Pointing out that Campo had poor talent is simply stating the facts. We have seen what happens to a Garrett coached team when a few of his studs go down. The entire thing falls apart.

Why would Garrett resign from his job? You have a vivid imagination if nothing else.

 

[CowboyRoy]

is sky blue or green in your world. just wondering..... you blew something but it wasn't my evidence

 

[Idgit]

If you can't be civil then don't post.

You cant see the difference between your run of the mill backup and a backup that is your next great QB. But then again, that doesnt suit your agenda that Garrett is your hero.

There’s nothing uncivil about acknowledging you’re pretending not to understand that Dak was a backup to Tony’s Romo going into the 2016 season.

 

[CowboyRoy]

There’s nothing uncivil about acknowledging you’re pretending not to understand that Dak was a backup to Tony’s Romo going into the 2016 season.

Dak was a backup?

So when Romo was healthy half way through the year why didnt he get his job back? After all, Dak was just a backup right?

 

[Big_D]

Doesn't matter what Pederson does. I just want to see the Cowboys end this marriage already! A fresh start with a new coach who won't be grandfathered in to a lifetime contract.

 

[Idgit]

Dak was a backup?

So when Romo was healthy half way through the year why didnt he get his job back? After all, Dak was just a backup right?

Because he won the job...which is completely and 100% irrelevant to the point we're discussing.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

You should be, Has a better record than Pederson in the regular season and best record in the east...Ps that defense was there when he got there..

Are you kidding me? Pederson just won the SB. Give me that anyday. Tired of being champs of the regular season when we beat up on the bad and mediocre teams and lose when it matters. And 2 years ago we all thought Philly was trash and it would take years to rebuild. Surprise it didn't. Wonder what the excuses are going to be when the Giants and Commanders pass us by?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Because he won the job...which is completely and 100% irrelevant to the point we're discussing.

Thats good, now we are getting somewhere. So now the starter was the backup and the backup had become the starter. Therefore.............Dak was NOT your typical backup. IN fact, he was our next franchise QB.

So did going 13-3 say more about the abilities of Dak or the abilities of Garrett as a coach? Would the Cowboys have gone 13-3 or better had Kellen Moore played in place of Dak?

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

2016 playoff win.. nope... just a good seat at the house watching real football teams again.. hey "he looks like a coach". lmao... might as well extend his contract, I'd hate for another team to get the genius and win one game in the playoffs.. lmao 1 game.. not bad.

We might win another playoff game someday. Give it time.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

My opinion is that he is the worst coach in Cowboys history. I dont defend Campo at all. Ill say it again...........Campo is a joke for a coach. Pointing out that Campo had poor talent is simply stating the facts. We have seen what happens to a Garrett coached team when a few of his studs go down. The entire thing falls apart.

Why would Garrett resign from his job? You have a vivid imagination if nothing else.

I think Campo could have gone 8-8 with the team that Garrett inherited.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I think Campo could have gone 8-8 with the team that Garrett inherited.

Campo understands football. Had been around the league and been coaching more years then that hapless Garrett.

Garrett would have gone 0-16 3 years in a row with the teams that Campo had.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The problem is most fans look through the prism of their own emotional preconceived ideas. If you're a Garrett "hater", it's unlikely you'll see anything he does in a positive light. And, vice versa, if you're a Garrett "lover", you're unlikely to see anything he does in a negative light. The reality is he is not the best coach, but neither is he the worst. He is probably capable of leading a team to the SB given the right circumstances; I mean even Brian Billick was able to do that.

The reality also is that 2016 was an outstanding coaching job. And that's not just based on the 13-3 record, but on things like the adjustments they made in the SF game early in the year. The SF defense was confusing the heck out of Dak pre-snap and that game was about to go south big time, but the coaches responded by going hurry-up offense to prevent the defense from shift and changing pre-snap.

The regular season was a very good job for Garrett. But he was exposed in the playoff loss to the Packers ..............AGAIN.

We dont need middle of the road coaches for this franchise. Call Garrett what you want, we need better. Its as simple as that.

 

[Idgit]

Thats good, now we are getting somewhere. So now the starter was the backup and the backup had become the starter. Therefore.............Dak was NOT your typical backup. IN fact, he was our next franchise QB.

So did going 13-3 say more about the abilities of Dak or the abilities of Garrett as a coach? Would the Cowboys have gone 13-3 or better had Kellen Moore played in place of Dak?

Irrelevant. The criticism was that our coaching staff wasn’t capable of performing with a backup QB the way the Eagles’ staff did. The reality was, wed done something very similar one year prior.

Your apparent discovery that “some QBs are better than others” doesn’t change anything. Unless we’re to believe Pederson won a Superbowl with a Kellen Moore.

 

[JustChip]

The regular season was a very good job for Garrett. But he was exposed in the playoff loss to the Packers ..............AGAIN.

We dont need middle of the road coaches for this franchise. Call Garrett what you want, we need better. Its as simple as that.

How was he exposed in the 2016 playoff game? He had his team led by a 4th round rookie QB tied with 40 seconds left and the Packers facing 3rd and 20. They got beat by a great play by a great player (Rodgers) and an even greater play by a not so great player (Cook).

I guess Landry was exposed by Vince Lombardi, Blanton Collier and Don McCafferty?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You get beat when you're not talented, you don't beat yourselves, which is what the team did causing them to not make the playoffs.

In 2011 we went 8-8.

In week 1 against the Jets, we were in total control of the game in the 4th quarter, driving to take a 2 possession lead and fumbled near the goal line, then gave up a blocked punt for a TD, then throw an interception to give NY good field position for the game winning FG attempt. That game was in the bag. Simple ball security and we easily win that game. The Jets had no offense.

In week 4, we were in total control of the game. Had a huge lead in the 2nd half and a couple pick 6's later the Lions are back in a game they shouldn't have been. Simple ball security would easily win us that game.

Arizona game in week 13, kick the GW FG and we win that game. Arizona
NY game in week 14 - connect of the wide open pass to seal the game and put the nail in the coffin of the Giants.
We didn't even try to win in week 16 against Philly because that outcome didn't matter anymore, the week 17 game against NY would determine who made playoffs and whose season ended.

That is 4 games we had easy opportunities to seal the victory and 1 throw away game. That's 5 of the 8 losses on the season. I'm sorry but that isn't lack of talent.

We had strengths and weaknesses like every other team in the league had. The reason why we were in some of those games (like the Patriots) is because the team had the talent to compete. What they needed is better decision making and better execution at key moments, but the talent was there to be a playoff team.

not sure what the first sentence means...when you are not talented, ou don't beat yourselves?...that's exactly what not talented teams do. that's the difference between talented and not talented. talented teams make plays.

and I am as frustrated as you are. but whose fault is it that we fumbled near goal line in Jets game? and gave up a punt for a TD and throw an interception. that's the players with bad execution, like the fumble. I don't fault Garrett for that unless you want to say he coached them to fumble

and then the lions...yes, the pick 6 and another turnover and yes, 4th quarter we were awful.... yes, ball security would have won. why throw when you don't have to...you win with Romo, you go down with Romo

and I don't disagree, the AZ game was bad, took some bad risks, some bad clock management. yet I still am mad that we gave up 200 yards in 4 quarters...yet gave up 65 in one drive in over time....

and I am sorry, some of those losses is on the players. interception. fumble. punt return for TD. int return for TD....you don't think that's on players? not sure what the logic is there....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

My opinion is that he is the worst coach in Cowboys history. I dont defend Campo at all. Ill say it again...........Campo is a joke for a coach. Pointing out that Campo had poor talent is simply stating the facts. We have seen what happens to a Garrett coached team when a few of his studs go down. The entire thing falls apart.

Why would Garrett resign from his job? You have a vivid imagination if nothing else.

wait, you argued both sides again...you say campo is a joke and you say campo didn't have talent. you can't have it both ways....the FACT as you like to refer to it often, is that during campo as head coach the talent didn't improve and in fact got worse.... the coach has partial responsibility in that...campo was a joke.

wade was a joke. he inherited a very talented team and dismantled it in less than 4 years....playoff appearances was riding the coat tails of what parcells had build....wade has been a failure as a head coach anywhere he has been. he is a great DC

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Because he won the job...which is completely and 100% irrelevant to the point we're discussing.

he didn't win the job. he was handed the job because Romo got injured in the preseason. then we went on to a winning streak and Jones didn't want to disrupt it and ride the wave as they say. in fact there were articles about Romo asking for a head to head competition with Dak and who ever is better should be the starter and they didn't want to do that....