Free Agent DL

[xwalker]

I'd be more than fine with one big time free agent DLineman and our first pic being on the DLine

Agree. One big time player would make all of the other players better. With Greg Hardy, Lawrence/MIncey would become DEs 2/3 instead of 1/2. With Suh, he would get double teamed which would keep blockers off the other DL and LBs.

 

[Stash]

Agree. One big time player would make all of the other players better. With Greg Hardy, Lawrence/MIncey would become DEs 2/3 instead of 1/2. With Suh, he would get double teamed which would keep blockers off the other DL and LBs.

And I agree with your agreement.

And for me, it's even more specific to the DE position.

I think Marinelli does a great job 'coaching up' the DT position, but you just have to have the horses outside to have the pass rush. The talent has to be there and can't be 'coached up' quite as well.

Making one 'splash' signing on a Greg Hardy to fill what I feel is the most glaring need is just huge for me.

Not only does it answer the biggest question, but it allows you to go in any direction whatsoever that you want for the draft. You could even trade down and acquire even more picks.

 

[xwalker]

And I agree with your agreement.

And for me, it's even more specific to the DE position.

I think Marinelli does a great job 'coaching up' the DT position, but you just have to have the horses outside to have the pass rush. The talent has to be there and can't be 'coached up' quite as well.

Making one 'splash' signing on a Greg Hardy to fill what I feel is the most glaring need is just huge for me.

Not only does it answer the biggest question, but it allows you to go in any direction whatsoever that you want for the draft. You could even trade down and acquire even more picks.

Greg Hardy's best option would be to sign a 1 year contract. What ever amount he is offered on a long term contract this year seems like it would be less than it would be next off-season when he is a full season away from the off-field problems.

 

[Stash]

Greg Hardy's best option would be to sign a 1 year contract. What ever amount he is offered on a long term contract this year seems like it would be less than it would be next off-season when he is a full season away from the off-field problems.

I'd be fine with doing that too. Win-win for both sides.

 

[jterrell]

Greg Hardy's best option would be to sign a 1 year contract. What ever amount he is offered on a long term contract this year seems like it would be less than it would be next off-season when he is a full season away from the off-field problems.

Dallas is very unlikely to be able to land Hardy in a one year deal.
He is too talented for that one year deal not to be very cap expensive.

Even if the NFL gives him 4 more games worth of suspension he'll tag someone's cap pretty good this year unless has a longer term deal in place.

He is by a million miles the most talented pass rusher available and if JPP wants 10m a year what do you think Hardy will want?

Dallas has to see what Hardy is interested in taking but he is an extreme long shot. Dallas' best option may be to pitch a long-term deal with a big up front SB that acts as a large year 1 salary, while allowing them to cut him if need be and move one and each the cap hits over 3 years, not the one.

How might it look? 5 years 65 m.
SB 10.5M
year 1, 4M
year 2, 12M
year 3. 12M --player option
year 4, 14M
year 5, 12.5M

To get him at this rate you probably couldn't even include personal conduct provisions.
If this guy hadn't been booted out last year he was looking at 100m easy.
He made 13M last year.

 

[xwalker]

Dallas is very unlikely to be able to land Hardy in a one year deal.
He is too talented for that one year deal not to be very cap expensive.

Even if the NFL gives him 4 more games worth of suspension he'll tag someone's cap pretty good this year unless has a longer term deal in place.

He is by a million miles the most talented pass rusher available and if JPP wants 10m a year what do you think Hardy will want?

Dallas has to see what Hardy is interested in taking but he is an extreme long shot. Dallas' best option may be to pitch a long-term deal with a big up front SB that acts as a large year 1 salary, while allowing them to cut him if need be and move one and each the cap hits over 3 years, not the one.

How might it look? 5 years 65 m.
SB 10.5M
year 1, 4M
year 2, 12M
year 3. 12M --player option
year 4, 14M
year 5, 12.5M

To get him at this rate you probably couldn't even include personal conduct provisions.
If this guy hadn't been booted out last year he was looking at 100m easy.
He made 13M last year.

My point is that for him personally, regardless of how big of a contract offer he gets this year, that if he played on a 1 year deal in 2015, that he would likely get an even bigger contract in 2016 because he would have had the chance to erase all the question marks surrounding his off-field issues.

If he was looking at 100M without the off-field problems, then he could be looking at 100M in 2016 if he plays on a 1-year deal in 2015. If he plays on a 1-year, 10M contract in 2015 and gets a 100M contract after that, then that's 110M as compared to 65M. I guess the player option in year 3 would help but that means that he just played 2 years for an average of 7.25 per year when he might have been able to do a 1-year deal for 10M or 12M.

I'm not predicting that he would do it, but if the best long term contract offer is not what he expected, then it would be a good option for him.

We can all guess at numbers but it's all just guessing at this point. There is no way to predict how many teams wouldn't sign him to a long term contract because of his off-field issues. We already know that 1 team (Carolina) won't.

I'm sure he would be decent in a 3-4 but I don't see those teams valuing him a high as 4-3 teams and I don't know if he would want to play in a 3-4. Then take out teams that just are not in the market for a very expensive DE (Denver, etc..) and the list of destinations starts to dwindle.

 

[Kaiser]

My point is that for him personally, regardless of how big of a contract offer he gets this year, that if he played on a 1 year deal in 2015, that he would likely get an even bigger contract in 2016 because he would have had the chance to erase all the question marks surrounding his off-field issues.

The base 4-3 defense is a factor, also if Hardy had a dominating run on a playoff team while playing on a 1 year contract it would increase his value even more.

 

[Alexander]

It amazes me how people were lauding the front office for being smart with the cap last offseason, yet now want to throw $20 million at Suh. Bryant still will need to get paid, we have an issue with whether or not to keep Murray and also a smaller collection of free agents to worry about.

I like Suh, he's a great player, but if Detroit will not or cannot "make the room" what does that say? I personally do not think he ends up being available. But even if he was, I sincerely hope he goes to a team that can afford the adverse effect of that kind of immense contract.

 

[Risen Star]

It amazes me how people were lauding the front office for being smart with the cap last offseason, yet now want to throw $20 million at Suh. Bryant still will need to get paid, we have an issue with whether or not to keep Murray and also a smaller collection of free agents to worry about.

I like Suh, he's a great player, but if Detroit will not or cannot "make the room" what does that say? I personally do not think he ends up being available. But even if he was, I sincerely hope he goes to a team that can afford the adverse effect of that kind of immense contract.

Careful. You are coming perilously close to going full Spagnola on us.

 

[Stash]

It amazes me how people were lauding the front office for being smart with the cap last offseason, yet now want to throw $20 million at Suh. Bryant still will need to get paid, we have an issue with whether or not to keep Murray and also a smaller collection of free agents to worry about.

I like Suh, he's a great player, but if Detroit will not or cannot "make the room" what does that say? I personally do not think he ends up being available. But even if he was, I sincerely hope he goes to a team that can afford the adverse effect of that kind of immense contract.

I'll be surprised if the Cowboys are any factor at all in regard to Suh.

 

[TonyRomo17]

Ill pay him that over paying Murray for sure

 

[Risen Star]

I'll be surprised if the Cowboys are any factor at all in regard to Suh.

I don't think so either. This is just this year's FA pipe dream.

 

[Nightman]

I don't think so either. This is just this year's FA pipe dream.

It may be a pipe dream, but they have to explore the possibility. Players like Suh don't usually hit FA. What would your thoughts be if he was already a Cowboy? Would use the Franchise tag to keep him?

 

[ConstantReboot]

no to hardy. no to orakpo who has played all his career as an OLB in 3-4.

Orakpo played mostly as a 4-3 end. His production dropped when he was asked to play OLB in the 3-4.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Denver went all in and got worse....
When Jerry says he learned something you can take that as ample evidence of direction change.
A lot of what Jerry says is fluff but you can tell when he speaking gospel.
When he talks of being young and cheaper he means it.
Now can he be disciplined and stick with that in the face of someone like Greg Hardy at a position of need?
That is a million dollar question, but I do think we can rule out adding a handful of guys to trying to alter the starters drastically.

Denver's problem was their coaching and Manning cooling off in the end of the season. Their defense was vastly improved from last year. I would take what they got on defense over what we have in Dallas.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Orakpo played mostly as a 4-3 end. His production dropped when he was asked to play OLB in the 3-4.

orakpo has never played 4-3 end

 

[jterrell]

orakpo has never played 4-3 end

he was a 4-3 DE in college and considered one coming out.
not sure it matters tho, if we want to take health gambles we'll just bring back spencer.
i don't see any scenario where we'd pay orakpo more than other teams including the Commanders who know him best.

 

[xwalker]

orakpo has never played 4-3 end

Greg Blache was the DC in 2009 (Orakpo's rookie season). IIRC, Blanche is a 4-3 Guy.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Greg Blache was the DC in 2009 (Orakpo's rookie season). IIRC, Blanche is a 4-3 Guy.

he played LB that season. ask the skins board, they drafted him and played 4-3 OLB. Starting DEs that year were Andre Carter and I believe Phillip Daniels. May be wrong on Daniels, but Orakpo was a4-3 OLB as a rookie.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

he was a 4-3 DE in college and considered one coming out.
not sure it matters tho, if we want to take health gambles we'll just bring back spencer.
i don't see any scenario where we'd pay orakpo more than other teams including the Commanders who know him best.

In the context of my quote, what he did in college is irrelevant. The OP said his production dropped going from 4-3 end to 3-4 OLB, but he never played it in the pros.