I don't understand this logic regarding the Jaylon Smith pick

[Mountaineerfan]

Very difficult to say right now. What it sounds like is Jack could play now but there's concerns about his longterm future, and the opposite with Jaylon Smith. If that's true then Smith is the better pick in my opinion. Both are great players when healthy so it just comes down to how many years you'll get out of them.

Yeah it sounds like future vs maybe never. In reality that is a terrible choice either way not having access to a crystal ball.

 

[Scandri100]

This dude is like a magnet in coverage.

 

[JoeKing]

Yeah it sounds like future vs maybe never. In reality that is a terrible choice either way not having access to a crystal ball.

Most of the JSmith fans have access to a different crystal.

 

[MRV52]

That's a slam dunk. Take the over. Unless this coaching staff idiotically limits his touches he'll go over 900 easily. Hell go over the TD over/under too, which I believe is 7.5

No slam dunk in life with football players, injuries can happen.

 

[zrinkill]

Most of the JSmith fans have access to a different crystal.

Only one person is making definite claims about what will happen ...... and that is you.

And because the doctor reports disagree with your ignorant viewpoint ....... everyone who is a fan of this kid we drafted is a meth-head

 

[KJJ]

The logic behind the Smith pick is the Cowboys are hoping to get a great player out of it at a good value in 2 years if he can recover from the injury. They drafted a player in the second round that would have been a top 10 pick had it not been for a serious injury. They're banking he'll be the same player he was before the injury. I have yet to see a team take a chance on an injured player who's fallen in the draft and that player became the same great player they were in college. The closest I've seen is Willis McGahee and he probably wasn't a good as he would have been had he not suffered that serious knee injury.

 

[iceberg]

Only one person is making definite claims about what will happen ...... and that is you.

And because the doctor reports disagree with your ignorant viewpoint ....... everyone who is a fan of this kid we drafted is a meth-head

good to see him just follow along the same ******** as he was doing in the other thread.

 

[visionary]

On one hand, bloke, the Cowboys needed immediate help. On the other, this rehabbing wonder would not have made a dent in the wall we are up against as far as defense.
Nothing wrong with rehab except you are wounded, rehabbing, not playing and getting rusty. Good lord, Sir Jerry you pick talent not potential.
Asinine, mates. Madness. Yes, next year rusty and 2 years out of college and boom! Going against the best in the NFL. What could possibly go wrong, blokes?

Are there any adults in the Dallas Cowboys franchise?

The FACT that you think nerve regeneration is a formula where you can put in "FACTS" and it will spit you out a number when Smith will play tells me all I need to know about your understanding of the subject.

The FACT is that no one can state as FACT if his nerve will regenerate at all and if so to what degree

The FACT is that some of the best doctors on the subject in the world evaluated him and 31 other teams doctors did not think the risk was worth the reward, yet you think it is going to be just fine

The FACT is that no reputable doctor will give you his/her opinion without having examined the patient and the FACT is that you are neither a sports medicine specialist nor have seen/examined Smith

The FACT is the reading the Wikipedia page on nerve regeneration does not qualify your opinion as accurate

So if by FACT you mean uninformed FICTION, then you are correct

But what was really comical in your post was the FACT that you pulled that "50-50 chance" completely out of thin air and actually think that anyone on this board should rely on your medical opinion on a subject you know nothing about but state as FACT

 

[DeaconMoss]

Double E is going to run for damn near 2 grand this year..

The Smith pick had me kinda wondering what the hell we were thinking..

I wish we would of got Ragland if we were going to pick lb.

Ragland was the right pick. Smith was a Jerry pick.

 

[Tommy]

The FACT is that some of the best doctors on the subject in the world evaluated him and 31 other teams doctors did not think the risk was worth the reward, yet you think it is going to be just fine

31 other team doctor's said that he was not worth the risk? Where did you hear that?

 

[coult44]

So the Cowboys got a lot of heat for taking Jaylon Smith, a guy who likely won't be able to contribute this coming season, in the second round. They also got heat for the Zeke pick but let's not get into that. The biggest argument about taking Jaylon Smith is that he won't be able to contribute this coming season, and that we need defensive help now. So am I supposed to believe that a guy like Kevin Dodd for example was gonna be the difference between us winning the Super Bowl, or hell even just the division next season? I don't buy that for a second. He'd probably get like 2-3 sacks and play half the snaps. But I tell you what... a healthy Jaylon Smith very well could make that difference the following season. The guy is essentially a 2017 top 5 pick for us. I personally love the pick and just don't understand the folks complaining about not getting immediate help. The draft is for the FUTURE. And Jaylon could and should be a huge part of our defense moving forward once he gets healthy.

The reason I mention this is because I was listening to 105.3 The Fan in the car and on The Ben & Skin show they were trying to make this argument... saying we should've got the immediate help. Anyone agree with them and if so, why? Just curious

The same people who have a problem with Jaylon injury, have no problem with Romo injures. Romo has 4 years left , but we have to win this year is what they say. Complete Double talk . We are not one second round pick away from a SB. If we make it it without him , pick didn't matter. If we don't make it, pick didn't matter. When everyone remembers that we pick well in the first round and we suck at 2-7 , it should help them figure things out. If Smith turns into a top 5 LB, it will be awesome. If he doesn't, then it's no change from our MO.

 

[jnday]

If healthy, it's a given that ZEKE will reach 1000 rushing yds.











He fits the Dallas Cowboys Zone Blocking Scheme to near perfection.

Zeke is really obsessed with having the "dog" in him. It makes me feel old. At one time, that was an insult.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

The FACT that you think nerve regeneration is a formula where you can put in "FACTS" and it will spit you out a number when Smith will play tells me all I need to know about your understanding of the subject.

The FACT is that no one can state as FACT if his nerve will regenerate at all and if so to what degree

The FACT is that some of the best doctors on the subject in the world evaluated him and 31 other teams doctors did not think the risk was worth the reward, yet you think it is going to be just fine

The FACT is that no reputable doctor will give you his/her opinion without having examined the patient and the FACT is that you are neither a sports medicine specialist nor have seen/examined Smith

The FACT is the reading the Wikipedia page on nerve regeneration does not qualify your opinion as accurate

So if by FACT you mean uninformed FICTION, then you are correct

But what was really comical in your post was the FACT that you pulled that "50-50 chance" completely out of thin air and actually think that anyone on this board should rely on your medical opinion on a subject you know nothing about but state as FACT

FACT being the key word, bloke.

Are you sure you are responding to the correct bloke, mate?
I have no knowledge of regeneration, knees or chances of recovery, though I have ordered the first 24 episodes of "Marcus Welby" and hope to set up a practice soon at a kiosk at the Farmers Branch farmers market.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The FACT that you think nerve regeneration is a formula where you can put in "FACTS" and it will spit you out a number when Smith will play tells me all I need to know about your understanding of the subject.

The FACT is that no one can state as FACT if his nerve will regenerate at all and if so to what degree

The FACT is that some of the best doctors on the subject in the world evaluated him and 31 other teams doctors did not think the risk was worth the reward, yet you think it is going to be just fine

The FACT is that no reputable doctor will give you his/her opinion without having examined the patient and the FACT is that you are neither a sports medicine specialist nor have seen/examined Smith

The FACT is the reading the Wikipedia page on nerve regeneration does not qualify your opinion as accurate

So if by FACT you mean uninformed FICTION, then you are correct

But what was really comical in your post was the FACT that you pulled that "50-50 chance" completely out of thin air and actually think that anyone on this board should rely on your medical opinion on a subject you know nothing about but state as FACT

You quoted the wrong post. You also don't get to speak for 31 other teams speak for yourself or show a citation. If I'm not an expert then the same holds true for you. Nullius en verba.

Peripheral nerve regeneration occurs naturally unlike central nerve regeneration. The issue is blood supply which is controlled by the outer sheath of the nerve. Since Jaylon's nerve casing was intact he meets the classification of a class 2 or 3 nerve injury or axonotmesis.

Axonotmesis is a more severe stage of injury, with disruption of not only the myelin sheath, but the axon as well. The epineurium and perineurium remain intact, meaning that there is still some continuity within the nerve.[3,4] Axonotmesis leads to Wallerian degeneration, a process whereby the part of the axon that is separated from the neuronal cell body disintegrates distal to the injury.[2] The prognosis for nerves at this stage is fair, and recovery may require months.[4] Axonotmesis is commonly seen in crush injuries and displaced bone fractures.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/774686_3

In severe injuries nerve regeneration begins only after Wallerian degeneration has run its course, but in mild injuries the regenerative and repair processes begin almost immediately. For first- and second-degree injuries (neurapraxia and axonotmesis), restoration of function is the rule. This occurs early via reversal of conduction block or late via axonal regeneration. Functional recovery is complete in these milder degrees of injury. Both morphological and physiological changes are fully reversible.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/480071_5

Wallerian degeneration occurs when the nerves below the injury toward the extremity die off. This can lead the one of the possible setbacks if the white blood cells cannot lyse and take out the old material quickly enough. That forms scar tissue.

We also know that Jaylon's nerve was regenerating months ago because he reported tingling very quickly.

A cut or crush injury to a peripheral nerve results in the degeneration of that portion of the axon isolated from the cell body. The rapid degeneration of this distal segment was for many years believed to be a process intrinsic to the nerve. It was believed that Schwann cells both phagocytosed degenerating axons and myelin sheaths and also provided growth factors to promote regeneration of the damaged axons. In recent years, it has become apparent that the degenerating distal segment is invaded by monocytes from the blood. We will review the evidence that these recruited macrophages play a role in both degeneration and regeneration of peripheral nerve axons after injury and consider whether the slow degeneration and poor monocyte recruitment in the central nervous system may contribute to the poor regeneration there.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1323962

A good sign for Smith: He said the tingling down his leg and into his foot continues to advance, which can indicate the nerve axons are growing.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...aylon-smith-knee-nerve-injury-draft/83416394/

I never claimed to be a doctor or anything else. Appealing to authority on an anonymous forum is asinine anyway. Everything I have stated is factual and is now verified.

However his doctor did say this:

That’s because the lateral damage stretched Smith’s nerve “enough to make it go to sleep, but it wasn’t stretched enough to be structurally elongated or visually very damaged” like more severe injuries, Cooper told USA TODAY Sports. There’s normally a one-month lag time before the nerve regrows at all, and once it begins, the rate is only about 1 inch per month.

“He’s had time for his nerve to regrow 2 inches, and the area of where his nerve was injured is 6 inches above the muscle that it innervates,” said Cooper,

That corroborates all of what I said before. Now what do you have for your basis for expected outcome? Can I expect another shrill self assuming post?

 

[visionary]

You quoted the wrong post. You also don't get to speak for 31 other teams speak for yourself or show a citation. If I'm not an expert then the same holds true for you. Nullius en verba.

Peripheral nerve regeneration occurs naturally unlike central nerve regeneration. The issue is blood supply which is controlled by the outer sheath of the nerve. Since Jaylon's nerve casing was intact he meets the classification of a class 2 or 3 nerve injury or axonotmesis.



http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/774686_3



http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/480071_5

Wallerian degeneration occurs when the nerves below the injury toward the extremity die off. This can lead the one of the possible setbacks if the white blood cells cannot lyse and take out the old material quickly enough. That forms scar tissue.

We also know that Jaylon's nerve was regenerating months ago because he reported tingling very quickly.



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1323962



http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...aylon-smith-knee-nerve-injury-draft/83416394/

I never claimed to be a doctor or anything else. Appealing to authority on an anonymous forum is asinine anyway. Everything I have stated is factual and is now verified.

However his doctor did say this:



That corroborates all of what I said before. Now what do you have for your basis for expected outcome? Can I expect another shrill self assuming post?

Can you point to where any of this categorically states that Jaylon Smith has a "50-50 chance of seeing the field this year"?

Can you also please point me to where you examined Jaylon Smith and had access to his medical record ?

The ONLY rational way to approach this is to say that we have no idea whether he will recover and to what degree because we lack the necessary information.

Your assertion is totally baseless yet presented with your usual self important pomposity because you want to appear intelligent (while actually accomplishing the exact opposite)

And yes, that is still comical

 

[Scandri100]

Weren't the patriots looking to pick this guy up with their 2nd round pick?

 

[the_h0wey]

So the Cowboys got a lot of heat for taking Jaylon Smith, a guy who likely won't be able to contribute this coming season, in the second round. They also got heat for the Zeke pick but let's not get into that. The biggest argument about taking Jaylon Smith is that he won't be able to contribute this coming season, and that we need defensive help now. So am I supposed to believe that a guy like Kevin Dodd for example was gonna be the difference between us winning the Super Bowl, or hell even just the division next season? I don't buy that for a second. He'd probably get like 2-3 sacks and play half the snaps. But I tell you what... a healthy Jaylon Smith very well could make that difference the following season. The guy is essentially a 2017 top 5 pick for us. I personally love the pick and just don't understand the folks complaining about not getting immediate help. The draft is for the FUTURE. And Jaylon could and should be a huge part of our defense moving forward once he gets healthy.

The reason I mention this is because I was listening to 105.3 The Fan in the car and on The Ben & Skin show they were trying to make this argument... saying we should've got the immediate help. Anyone agree with them and if so, why? Just curious

Don't listen to 105.3 and you will immediately become a more knowledgeable Cowboys fan

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Can you point to where any of this categorically states that Jaylon Smith has a "50-50 chance of seeing the field this year"?

Can you also please point me to where you examined Jaylon Smith and had access to his medical record ?

The ONLY rational way to approach this is to say that we have no idea whether he will recover and to what degree because we lack the necessary information.

Your assertion is totally baseless yet presented with your usual self important pomposity because you want to appear intelligent (while actually accomplishing the exact opposite)

And yes, that is still comical

Because I expect his nerve to start firing this summer given the above time line barring a setback. It's my opinion based on the facts that I just mentioned, we can even discuss the potential setbacks if you like but your fearmongering is a nonstarter.

What it boils down to is that I am not privy to the medical imaging to see the extent if any of the scar tissue formation. If there is no scar tissue then there should be a full recovery as it is literally the difference between a type 2 and 3 injury. I know that MRI can see scar tissue formation and the lone assumption I make is that they would not be so optimistic if there was significant scarring on the scans. They do have the technology and Cooper is an elite doctor.

I see you have abandoned the rest of your arguments and retreated back to this position. You fearmongering of the unknown was cute. Now you have the information so you can know.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oh and I missed the "you're not as smart as you seem" part. You should act more insecure.

I'm not trying to 'act smart' I am trying to be informed so as to have an informed opinion. Any monkey can google what I did.

There is a difference and you don't argue the veracity of any of what I say but instead my personal opinion with more than a little petulance. Whether you like it or not from our conversation any third party can see my opinion is much more informed than your shrill assertions.

 

[visionary]

Because I expect his nerve to start firing this summer given the above time line barring a setback. It's my opinion based on the facts that I just mentioned, we can even discuss the potential setbacks if you like but your fearmongering is a nonstarter.

What it boils down to is that I am not privy to the medical imaging to see the extent if any of the scar tissue formation. If there is no scar tissue then there should be a full recovery as it is literally the difference between a type 2 and 3 injury. I know that MRI can see scar tissue formation and the lone assumption I make is that they would not be so optimistic if there was significant scarring on the scans. They do have the technology and Cooper is an elite doctor.

I see you have abandoned the rest of your arguments and retreated back to this position. You fearmongering of the unknown was cute. Now you have the information so you can know.

My argument from the beginning was that your assertion of 50-50 chance to play this year was based on hot air as are your usual attempts to categorically opine on stuff you clearly know nothing about. Reading Wikipedia and copying and pasting stuff from the Internet does not give any weight to your opinion, though it does continue to make your desperate attempts comical

I've said from the beginning that "we don't know" is the correct approach and that is clearly not fear mongering