If Colt does not go down, who are the National Champs today?

[jimmy40]

I didn't see that.

Very interesting.

The guy said he wanted to play but ultimately the Coaching Staff and probably his dad overruled him.

his dad is on First Take right now and he didn't have any say in it.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Texas Oline was providing some good protection in that game. Up until the sack on a CB blitz that Gilbert failed to pick up. Texas gave up 1 sack on over 40 passing plays

True, but Alabama was getting a lot of pressure on Texas throughout that game.

They may have not racked up sacks, but they were getting pressure and knocking balls down.

 

[dbair1967]

Texas Oline was providing some good protection in that game. Up until the sack on a CB blitz that Gilbert failed to pick up. Texas gave up 1 sack on over 40 passing plays

And that has nothing to do with not being able to run the football, or being able to stop it ont he other side

Alabama didnt have a ton of sacks this yr, but they do get alot of pressure and force alot of turnovers. I think Texas ended up with 5 or 6 turnovers right?

 

[Doomsday101]

his dad is on First Take right now and he didn't have any say in it.

Not surprising. His dad was a player and a coach I'm sure he knows the boundaries.

 

[jimmy40]

I have never called anyone out for not sucking it up and playing in my life. Until last night.

The only reason not to play is if there was a broken bone.

The fact that he said there was no pain meant there was no ligament damage either. If there is ligament damage, TRUST me, there is pain.

I'm not saying the kids arm wasn't numb, but you play through it. Even if he can't throw the ball very good, there is still the THREAT of him throwing. That alone would have probably been better than throwing a true freshman tot he wolves and letting him hand the ball off for 2.5 quarters like the Texas coaches did.

So if you're a NFL GM, and you want Colt or Bradford, who do you choose this morning??? The kid who comes back from a broken collarbone too early to compete against the Longhorns, and breaks it again, or the kid who is in the national championship game and comes out because his arm feels numb?

No brainer.

No brains all right, Longhorns can't run and Colt couldn't throw. Where's the the threat? what the hell were they going to do? Kneel on the ball?

 

[Doomsday101]

And that has nothing to do with not being able to run the football, or being able to stop it ont he other side

Alabama didnt have a ton of sacks this yr, but they do get alot of pressure and force alot of turnovers. I think Texas ended up with 5 or 6 turnovers right?

Texas held Bama is the 3rd qrt to no 1st downs, it was Texas stopping Bama down by 3 who forced bama to punt the ball and Bama was unable to do anything in the passing game vs Texas. Yes Texas had some turnovers and much of that because you did have a freshman QB who has not really seen any meaningful action thrown in vs a very good defense. As for Texas running they had 89 yards rushing that when Alabama knew this QB would be limited so yes they played the run and forced Texas QB to beat them. I hand it to Bama they did what anyone else in their right mind would have done.

 

[jimmy40]

co-signed

and yet there were "what if Roy Williams doesn't fumble" threads for weeks.

 

[DFWJC]

No brains all right, Longhorns can't run and Colt couldn't throw. Where's the the threat? what the hell were they going to do? Kneel on the ball?

Correct. He would have been totally useless.

If Colt is healthy and plays then they have no problem throwing on Bama but without a healthy Colt they loaded the box and the run game was toast (unlike early in the game when it did look like they could have some success running).

 

[CowboyWay]

Wasn't Colt's call. Colt said he wanted to play and Mac said Colt wanted to play. The decision was not his. Simple as that.

Yeah it was Colts call. They said after halftime that Mack and his dad were talking him out of playing.

"Talking him out" leads me to believe he had a choice.

Mack didn't say "You're not playing, forget it".

I had a ton of respect for Colt prior to last night. A ton.

 

[CowboyWay]

I really disagree with you on this one. If left up to Colt, I am 100% sure that he would have played in the game he had been dreaming about his entire life. Look no disrespect CW, but I REALLY feel you are out line to have no inside knowledge of this situation and then throw out a guys entire history by insinuating that this guy is somehow all of a sudden not tough or has no heart or is somehow not all in for the team.

That, imho, is totally preposterous.

Fair enough. Its just my opinion, All any of us have to go on is what we saw, right, wrong, or indifferent.

 

[jimmy40]

Yeah it was Colts call. They said after halftime that Mack and his dad were talking him out of playing.

"Talking him out" leads me to believe he had a choice.

Mack didn't say "You're not playing, forget it".

I had a ton of respect for Colt prior to last night. A ton.

You have no clue what you're talking about. None.

 

[CowboyWay]

No brains all right, Longhorns can't run and Colt couldn't throw. Where's the the threat? what the hell were they going to do? Kneel on the ball?

WIth colt back there, they could have run. And I believe Cold could have thrown.

Remember 10 years back during the SB, Terrell Davis couldn't even see straight he had a migraine. Shanahan told him he had to go in, OR ELSE NOBODY WOULD BELIEVE THEY WOULD RUN THE BALL.

Same thing here. If Colt is in, they have to assume you can throw the ball. Without Colt in, nobody believes you will even try. And the longhorns didn't until the 4th quarter when they had absolutely no choice at that point.

Football is a chess match.

 

[CowboyWay]

You have no clue what you're talking about. None.

uh-huh.

 

[Doomsday101]

Colt suffers 9 sacks vs Neb never gives up or quits and leads his team to the game winning FG but all of a sudden he is afriad. Not buying it, Colt did not play for 1 simple reason he was injured if being injured makes one a whimp then there are many whimps in pro sports. However it is easy to say he should have played when you are just sitting on the couch watching the game and not the one experiancing the problem.

 

[jimmy40]

WIth colt back there, they could have run. And I believe Cold could have thrown.

Remember 10 years back during the SB, Terrell Davis couldn't even see straight he had a migraine. Shanahan told him he had to go in, OR ELSE NOBODY WOULD BELIEVE THEY WOULD RUN THE BALL.

Same thing here. If Colt is in, they have to assume you can throw the ball. Without Colt in, nobody believes you will even try. And the longhorns didn't until the 4th quarter when they had absolutely no choice at that point.

Football is a chess match.

So Colt stands back there for 4 quarters and doesn't throw a pass. Brilliant. Oh and since Colt is a quitter why didn't he quit against Nebraska with nine sacks and getting killed the whole game? You have no freaking clue.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Fair enough. Its just my opinion, All any of us have to go on is what we saw, right, wrong, or indifferent.

According to Mac, Colt wanted to play and he wasn't healthy. Mac said that he knew he wasn't healthy and he wanted to play and he shouldn't have.

Now, it doesn't sound to me like Colt had the last word on that. Sounds to me like the Coaching staff had the final say and that Colt's Dad was called down to maybe re-inforce that decision. It doesn't sound to me like Colt elected not to play.

Players don't have the final say on health issues. Doctors and Coaches do have the final say. If it were any other way, the University would open themselves up to huge liability situations, especially with players that have futures in the Pros. That's just not how it works any longer.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

UT Fans on Norm Hitzges show now claiming that Alabama was playing dirty and trying to hurt Colt McCoy.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

WIth colt back there, they could have run. And I believe Cold could have thrown.

Remember 10 years back during the SB, Terrell Davis couldn't even see straight he had a migraine. Shanahan told him he had to go in, OR ELSE NOBODY WOULD BELIEVE THEY WOULD RUN THE BALL.

Same thing here. If Colt is in, they have to assume you can throw the ball. Without Colt in, nobody believes you will even try. And the longhorns didn't until the 4th quarter when they had absolutely no choice at that point.

Football is a chess match.

I thought about that as well but Terrell Davis is a Running Back, it is a little different for a Quarterback.

 

[CowboyWay]

So Colt stands back there for 4 quarters and doesn't throw a pass. Brilliant. Oh and since Colt is a quitter why didn't he quit against Nebraska with nine sacks and getting killed the whole game? You have no freaking clue.

You're assuming he can't throw a pass. I'm assuming he can. Who is right?

Why would he quit against Nebraska? Was he hurt? No. He just took alot of hits.

Was he hurt last night? Yep. And he should have fought through it. Its the NC game.

If he comes out at halftime with a sling on his arm, ok. But to come out, and look COMPLETELY normal, raise his hand to high five people, grab his jersey collar and just let his arm sit there...THESE ARE THINGS YOU CAN"T DO WHEN YOU"RE SERIOUSLY INJURED IN THE ARM/SHOULDER.

I'm certainly not anywhere near the athlete Colt is. Never was. But I've snapped my ACL in a softball game and stayed in to pitch. I tore my rotator cuff in a softball game, and stayed in and played shortstop. I couldn't raise my arm above my shoulder. Both injuries were excrutiating. But I stayed in.

These were fricken rec league games. Completely meaningless. If I were in a National Championship game, you couldn't drag me off that field.

Colt and his dad chose the dollars of the NFL instead of a national championship.

I knew I'd get flamed on here with my opinion when I first posted. But its how I feel. You suck it up and play. Take a shot if you need one, but never let your team down. Never. Not if you can even play half of what you could normally.

And whats with Mack Brown? You telling me that the best quarterback on that squad is a true freshman??? There isn't another junior or senior qb somewhere on that team that would have been mentally more prepared than a true freshman??? Ridiculous.

 

[CowboyWay]

According to Mac, Colt wanted to play and he wasn't healthy. Mac said that he knew he wasn't healthy and he wanted to play and he shouldn't have.

Now, it doesn't sound to me like Colt had the last word on that. Sounds to me like the Coaching staff had the final say and that Colt's Dad was called down to maybe re-inforce that decision. It doesn't sound to me like Colt elected not to play.

Players don't have the final say on health issues. Doctors and Coaches do have the final say. If it were any other way, the University would open themselves up to huge liability situations, especially with players that have futures in the Pros. That's just not how it works any longer.

First of all whats mack going to say? "Yeah, he probably could have played, but chose not to?"

Secondsly, yes, athletes have final say when they are seniors, in the national championship game, and you're a heisman candidate qb.

athletes don't have the final say when they have a 100 million contract that the team has to protect thier investment in.

Apples and oranges.