If Colt does not go down, who are the National Champs today?

[Doomsday101]

UT Fans on Norm Hitzges show now claiming that Alabama was playing dirty and trying to hurt Colt McCoy.

Sorry not buying that Bama is a tough team and were playing tough ball. Bad break for Colt on the injury but at no time did I feel Bama was playing dirty

 

[DFWJC]

UT Fans on Norm Hitzges show now claiming that Alabama was playing dirty and trying to hurt Colt McCoy.

Now that's as weak as it gets.

That play was not even something unusual, just a fluke. Oh well, some just have to point a finger regardless of the situation.

 

[jimmy40]

You're assuming he can't throw a pass. I'm assuming he can. Who is right?

I'm right. If he could pass he'd have been in the game.

 

[DFWJC]

I'm right. If he could pass he'd have been in the game.

I would assume that to be completely obvious, but i guess not.

The story saying that Colt wanted to play but was hurt and MacK had the final say sounds possible. Colt, imo, would never ever back down, and Mack can be highly protectitve of his players...or maybe Mack just felt he was so hurt it would not help the team at all 9the most obvious scenario). Either way, it was not on Colt...again, imo.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

First of all whats mack going to say? "Yeah, he probably could have played, but chose not to?"

Secondsly, yes, athletes have final say when they are seniors, in the national championship game, and you're a heisman candidate qb.

athletes don't have the final say when they have a 100 million contract that the team has to protect thier investment in.

Apples and oranges.

Since you, nor I can answer the question of "What's Mack going to say", I think you have to believe in what he actually did say. That to me is the logical course of action.

No, athletes, even in the Pros, do not have final say on matters of injury. I don't care if it's Jesus in cleats, you don't have the final say. The final say is with the Doctor and the Coaching Staff. End of discussion on this particular point.

Collegiant Athletes have things called insurance policies and when those things are triggered, the athlete does get paid but the University gets sued by the insurance company if negligence is present. Athletes do not have the final say in Collegiant Athletics.

 

[jimmy40]

First of all whats mack going to say? "Yeah, he probably could have played, but chose not to?"

Secondsly, yes, athletes have final say when they are seniors, in the national championship game, and you're a heisman candidate qb.

athletes don't have the final say when they have a 100 million contract that the team has to protect thier investment in.

Apples and oranges.

so Mack and Colt's dad are liars and Colt just didn't want to play in the BCS Championship game. I'm surprised he didn't pull a hammy getting off the bus.

 

[joseephuss]

UT Fans on Norm Hitzges show now claiming that Alabama was playing dirty and trying to hurt Colt McCoy.

Wow! What an idiotic fan that has to be. Colt was not in the game long enough to even prove that theory. Certainly that hit that got Colt was not even close to being dirty. It was a nice clean, tough hit.

Colt was not hurt last night, he was injured. Players fight through being hurt all the time. Often you can't fight through an injury. An injury hampers your ability to do your job. Colt's injury prevented him from being able to throw the football to the best of his ability. He may have been able to throw it a little, but a little is not good enough.

 

[CowboyWay]

Sorry not buying that Bama is a tough team and were playing tough ball. Bad break for Colt on the injury but at no time did I feel Bama was playing dirty

Agreed. Good hard nosed football.

 

[Doomsday101]

Agreed. Good hard nosed football.

I have respect for Bama, I’m a big time Texas fan but I have never had anything against Bama. I have been to a couple of Bama games including the National Championship game vs Miami and in Baton Rouge vs LSU. (Girl friend at the time big Bama fan) So while I'm disappointed with the Texas loss I have no problem tipping my hat to the other team.

 

[jimmy40]

UT Fans on Norm Hitzges show now claiming that Alabama was playing dirty and trying to hurt Colt McCoy.

We have plenty of those guys that post here all the time. Every team has them.

 

[DFWJC]

Colt was not hurt last night, he was injured. Players fight through being hurt all the time. Often you can't fight through an injury. An injury hampers your ability to do your job. Colt's injury prevented him from being able to throw the football to the best of his ability. He may have been able to throw it a little, but a little is not good enough.

Good point.

I'm not even sure he could throw poorly though...my guess is he would have looked like a little girl trying the throw the ball with that type of injury, as you can barely lift the ball, let alone throw it.

 

[DFWJC]

Agreed. Good hard nosed football.

+1

 

[Doomsday101]

We have plenty of those guys that post here all the time. Every team has them.

Yep, we have Cowboy fans here who accuse others of being dirty or refs cheating after a loss. Every team has fans who need that to deal with a loss.

As someone who has always been highly competitive and who loves playing sports I realized early on that you play hard as you can, give it all you have but in the end how you handle winning and losing is important and yes if you play sport you will have loses

 

[CowboyWay]

Since you, nor I can answer the question of "What's Mack going to say", I think you have to believe in what he actually did say. That to me is the logical course of action.

C'mon abq. I've argued enough with you in the political forum enough to know that just because a politician says something that can't be disproven, doesn't mean you will logically believe him.

No, athletes, even in the Pros, do not have final say on matters of injury. I don't care if it's Jesus in cleats, you don't have the final say. The final say is with the Doctor and the Coaching Staff. End of discussion on this particular point.
If the guys arm is hanging off I agree. But Colt even admitted there was no pain. Combine this with the fact that you can see him raising his arm with no discomfort at all on the sidelines makes you wonder. As another posters said...Mack in notoriously protective of his players. I think he was overprotective last night. It was Colts final collegiate game. If he demanded to play, I believe they should have let him play. Again....he said there was no pain. No pain means no structural damage. No broken bones.

Collegiant Athletes have things called insurance policies and when those things are triggered, the athlete does get paid but the University gets sued by the insurance company if negligence is present. Athletes do not have the final say in Collegiant Athletics.

We can go back and forth, and never get anywhere, so this will be my last post on the matter, I've seen players get alot more injured than Colt last night and come back to play with far less than a national championship on the line. Ronnie Lott amputatted a finger, I forget his name ( a Rams player), played in a superbowl with a broken leg, Emmitt smith played with a seperated shoulder. These things happen.

Had I seen Colt wear a sling, or cast, or something, I would buy it. But to come out, look jovial, and time and time again raise his arm stinks to high heaven.

 

[joseephuss]

We can go back and forth, and never get anywhere, so this will be my last post on the matter, I've seen players get alot more injured than Colt last night and come back to play with far less than a national championship on the line. Ronnie Lott amputatted a finger, I forget his name ( a Rams player), played in a superbowl with a broken leg, Emmitt smith played with a seperated shoulder. These things happen.

Had I seen Colt wear a sling, or cast, or something, I would buy it. But to come out, look jovial, and time and time again raise his arm stinks to high heaven.

Different injuries and different situations. It is not a question of being less or more injured. It is where the injury occurs and how it impacts that players performance.

There are degrees of shoulder separations. If Emmitt's separation was of a higher degree he may not have been able to come back in that Giants game. Or if it effected his left shoulder instead of his right one because the majority of the time he carried the ball in his left arm. If it were Colt's left shoulder instead of his throwing shoulder it probably would have impacted the decisions last night.

Emmitt also was not a QB, so he did not have to throw the ball. That is a huge difference.

I guess you think Ware is a wimp for not coming back into the Chargers game this year?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

We can go back and forth, and never get anywhere, so this will be my last post on the matter, I've seen players get alot more injured than Colt last night and come back to play with far less than a national championship on the line. Ronnie Lott amputatted a finger, I forget his name ( a Rams player), played in a superbowl with a broken leg, Emmitt smith played with a seperated shoulder. These things happen.

Had I seen Colt wear a sling, or cast, or something, I would buy it. But to come out, look jovial, and time and time again raise his arm stinks to high heaven.

Ronnie Lott did that 30 years ago. 30 years ago, guys played with injuries all the time because they did have a say. It's simply not that way anymore. The Rams player was Jack Youngblood and I believe that it was actually the NFC Championship game that he broke it in. It was actually a stress fracture I beleive. Emmitt played in that game because no more damage could have been done to his shoulder. It's the difference between playing hurt and being injured.

It's not the players call. It's the Doctors and Coaching Staffs decision.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Norm Hitzges is saying that a reporter claims that Mack Brown stated that if Texas would have had Colt McCoy, they would have beaten Alabama easily.

He said Mack Brown probably thought it was off the record or it was overheard by a reporter.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Norm Hitzges is saying that a reporter claims that Mack Brown stated that if Texas would have had Colt McCoy, they would have beaten Alabama easily.

He said Mack Brown probably thought it was off the record or it was overheard by a reporter.

That does not sound like something Mack Brown would say but who knows. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. Horns lost, Tide won. Congratulations to Alabama.

 

[dbair1967]

UT Fans on Norm Hitzges show now claiming that Alabama was playing dirty and trying to hurt Colt McCoy.

Thats pretty pathetic. Not to mention lame.

 

[dbair1967]

Norm Hitzges is saying that a reporter claims that Mack Brown stated that if Texas would have had Colt McCoy, they would have beaten Alabama easily.

He said Mack Brown probably thought it was off the record or it was overheard by a reporter.

Wonder if Mack remembered those games vs Oklahoma and Nebraska.

Hey Mack, Alabama is eons better than eithe rof those two teams.