Jerry Jones says Cowboys will NOT draft QB with no. 4 pick *Super Hot Pants Mega Merge*

[mattjames2010]

Trading down is not "simple", like you seem to be implying.

Haha, then what is your plan? Reach? Take an offensive lineman we won't need?

Oh okay, yeah, it's back to the QB thing again.

 

[speedkilz88]

Jerry says a lot of things.

“I don’t want to be back [at the top of the draft again],” Jones said. “I know when you’re drafting in the middle or drafting below that 20, it’s a real challenge to retool the quarterback. I’ve been there and made an F.”

 

[Stash]

You can't go by production.

It would be like comparing Aikman to Roger Staubach and coming to the conclusion Staubach was a piker because he didn't have the production Aikman did.

I can understand different eras, but that doesn't mean you discount the obvious production. Today's passers are being asked to pass more than ever and that gives you that much more information into how well they handle it. Goff was tasked with throwing the ball a lot, and he did it well, very well. That shouldn't ever be minimized or discounted.

It doesn't matter to me if those players above Goff can be replaced via free agency.

Why not? Because it should. And it should matter even more to the people charged with obtaining these players. The fact is that even if a team thinks that a player might be their franchise quarterback, they're not letting him go. And it's the fact that shoots holes in the other positions.

I think that you're trying to dismiss this fact because it's absolutely true, and it renders any other position moot.

What does matter to me is if the over-riding opinion is that Goff is a franchise-QB... if he is then you draft him. If not then you don't.

Simple.

It's never "simple". If it were, teams would never miss. But in a draft where there are question marks about everybody - and there are - if you have even a chance of hitting on a quarterback who can set your team up for the next 15 years, you jump on it and be thankful for the opportunity.

 

[CCBoy]

Jerry says a lot of things.

“I don’t want to be back [at the top of the draft again],” Jones said. “I know when you’re drafting in the middle or drafting below that 20, it’s a real challenge to retool the quarterback. I’ve been there and made an F.”

Jerry isn't afraid to stand up for what he did...and that is being accountable and reflective of real actions and effects. You have always stood the course on evaluations, Jerry. I respect you for doing just that.

 

[Stash]

Did you not read the context and conversation it was placed in? When someone rides high on QBs in this draft but claims Ramsey isn't a playmaker at his position and shouldn't be considered with the pick but will discredit the NFL scouting department on their talent evaluations... That is a double standard.

When the same individual wants to use NFL scouts and execs as a supporting argument for drafting a QB but neglects th fact that the same NFL execs and scouts saying Ramsey/Jack could very well be the best overall players.... That is a double standard.

I like all 4 of those players, but I think in a day where defenses are getting spread out we need speed at D. Ramsey and Jack would be very valuable against teams like New England, Carolina, Arizona and Green Bay who will spread you out.

Ramsey and Jack could easily make life harder on a scrambling Cam, or Edelman/Gronk in the slot. Scandrick is our only reliable player with speed. This must change if we want to sniff success in the playoffs.

And I think you're completely wrong about it. You're projecting players as playmakers when they have not shown to be that. The numbers don't show them to be playmakers at all and that's a fact.

 

[DFWJC]

Misleading title.

But it wouldn't surprise me at all if they pass on QB at 4.
Now if they have a QB as the best player (regardless of position) available when they are on the board at 4, it may surprise me some.
I just don't think that will be the case.

 

[Stash]

That's a big IF.

Smaller than any of the other IF's being thrown around in connection with Ramsey, Jack, or Bosa.

 

[Alexander]

Haha, then what is your plan? Reach? Take an offensive lineman we won't need?

Oh okay, yeah, it's back to the QB thing again.

If I am stuck and I can't trade out, my QB is gone, it is left with these defenders only?

I take Elliott, the one player who can make an impact in the first of Romo's limited years left.

I will let Ramsey, Jack and Bosa being instant impact players someone else's idiotic dream.

 

[Stash]

Elliot and Ramsey help this team more. Free Agency will prove they are the only options.

Yeah? Have fun explaining that. I can get better proven players at both positions on day one of free agency.

What neither you nor anyone else can find is a future starting quarterback.

However, Myles Jack is the Wild Card, his workout is going to be over the top.

And who cares? I don't care if he jumps out of the building. He never did it on the field.

 

[Stash]

Ramsey and Jack are solid prospects, Bosa is the most questionable of the three. No one should be disappointed with Ramsey or Jack.

They're both projections who don't have the proven production to be the #4 overall pick, much less to be the selection over a starting quarterback.

 

[mattjames2010]

If I am stuck and I can't trade out, my QB is gone, it is left with these defenders only?

I take Elliott, the one player who can make an impact in the first of Romo's limited years left.

I will let Ramsey, Jack and Bosa being instant impact players someone else's idiotic dream.

This "idiotic dream" is closer to reality. We are not taking Elliot at 4, you better get used to that as well while you cope with the fact that whatever QB you're obsessing over this week won't be drafted by us as well.

So, do more studying up on these defenders you dislike and find out why they are rated so highly. You got some homework to do.

 

[Stash]

Haha, then what is your plan? Reach? Take an offensive lineman we won't need?

Oh okay, yeah, it's back to the QB thing again.

At least we know what position they'll be playing!

 

[mattjames2010]

They're both projections who don't have the proven production to be the #4 overall pick, much less to be the selection over a starting quarterback.

And yet every credible scout has them ranked top 10. Sorry, but if I'm going by scouts or armchair scouts on this board with blinders on and fanboyism over a position (Not players, position) I am going with the scouts.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

This "idiotic dream" is closer to reality. We are not taking Elliot at 4, you better get used to that as well while you cope with the fact that whatever QB you're obsessing over this week won't be drafted by us as well.

So, do more studying up on these defenders you dislike and find out why they are rated so highly. You got some homework to do.

Stephen said so?

 

[Stash]

This "idiotic dream" is closer to reality. We are not taking Elliot at 4, you better get used to that as well while you cope with the fact that whatever QB you're obsessing over this week won't be drafted by us as well.

So, do more studying up on these defenders you dislike and find out why they are rated so highly. You got some homework to do.

Just don't look at either player's actual numbers because that will just make you feel worse.

The thing you have to do is "project".

"Project" the position that you think they'll be capable of playing.

"Project" them being good at that new position.

And "project" that improving this defense.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

If they are seriously going to pass on QB then I would hope they trade out of the pick, but I don't know that there will a deal there for them to take. If they stay, I think Bosa will be a Dallas Cowboy or possibly Jack if they think he is Brian Urlacher 2.0.

 

[Alexander]

This "idiotic dream" is closer to reality. We are not taking Elliot at 4, you better get used to that as well while you cope with the fact that whatever QB you're obsessing over this week won't be drafted by us as well.

So, do more studying up on these defenders you dislike and find out why they are rated so highly. You got some homework to do.

I have already studied up on them. It is not a lack of information that has brought me to what I would choose.

You see, I don't sit around and just deem players like Jack and Ramsey as "freaks" and assume they will make this defense better by simply being around.

Of course, people that are dribbling over the pair of them can't explain what it is exactly that they would do in Marinelli's defense.

 

[Killerinstinct]

If Ramsey is there he will be the pick.

 

[Stash]

And yet every credible scout has them ranked top 10. Sorry, but if I'm going by scouts or armchair scouts on this board with blinders on and fanboyism over a position (Not players, position) I am going with the scouts.

As opposed to the quarterbacks, who are.....

Oh yeah, top 10.



The difference being, the quarterbacks actually have proven production.

 

[mattjames2010]

At least we know what position they'll be playing!

This is your argument? "Ramsey played corner and safety, must go QB" - Dude, Ramsey isn't the first secondary player to come out of the draft like this. He's a top 5 pick due to production and high ceiling at safety. He will be tested at corner, if it doesn't work out, he goes back to his more natural position.