Jerry was Just on With Norm

[Maikeru-sama]

Jerry Jones needs to take a cue from Arthur Blank. He realized his team was in disarray, he hired a strong GM in Dimitroff, he got rid of the bad eggs (Vick, DeAngelo Hall), hired the right coach and they pulled together.

I agree.

I would love to see sweeping changes in the Cowboys organization.

Jerry Jones is just too in love with himself and it may take several losing seasons for him to even consider bringing a Bill Parcells guy again.

Right now, Jerry Jones feels he is too close and if he sticks it out with the current crew, the talent assembled will win him a Super Bowl and he can take all of the credit.

 

[theogt]

And all with the same culture and the same GM. We were on the right track with Coach Parcells. Had he stepped down and we continued with the program, we might be what the Dolphins are right now. Instead, he listened to the whiners on this team and went south with Phillips (remember he too was "walking on eggshells").

No, there were serious problems with Parcells. Those problems likely weren't getting fixed and we'd have banged our head into the wall every year. He had his four years and couldn't do it.

Change what? Make meaner faces? Try to fake their way into installing discipline and cohesiveness on this roster? Jerry Jones hasn't said anything he's going to change. If he came out and said I am going to let my coach and his staff run the team and keep out of the power struggles and close his office door to the whiners, then that's real change I could feel good about. But apparently, he's not. Or he at least is not indicating it.

If you don't think there are numerous things that can be tweaked and fixed, then I don't know what to tell you.

Just a few things? It was clear something was wrong as early as Arizona.

Yes, just a few things

The team didn't care for the Pacman experiment.

He was very much welcomed when he first came. He was our best corner this year, so that's certainly not a problem. There was the mid-season incident, but I think people were just cautious about him after that. I have seen no indication that "the team didn't care for the Pacman experiment." That's just you grasping at straws.

Owens appeared to be an issue all season long. Roy Williams was another gaping mouth that demanded to be fed as well.

Owens and Williams not getting the ball was part of the problem. It had nothing to do with their mouths, but with them getting the ball. Their mouths were causing the O-line to not block or Tony to be erratic.

We won after the Giants game and then the wheels fell off. If winning cured all ills, we should have gone on a run after that game and we didn't. We were destroyed in the final two games. The same problems and ineffective chemistry on offense continued to manifest themselves, all dismissed by the enabling staff of sugar coaters. About the only thing that would have saved this season was weaker opponents in the final two games. We still would have been exposed in the wildcard round.

This is just it. You don't see the problems that occurred in the Giants game because we won. You think everything was just fine and dandy in that game, because it was W. No, the line played absolutely terrible in that game. The offensive playcalling was absolutely terrible in that game. But Tony managed to squeak out a few incredible plays after getting pummeled and the defense played oustanding enough to win. Romo can better walk after that game because of the offensive line. And their problems just kept on rolling right into the next two games.

 

[Pottsville Maroons]

on the Ticket. Basically said that the big contracts and bonuses on the books will keep him from cutting any big contracts.

He specifically used TO as an example and said, "if I cut him, the bonus accelerates onto the cap and then I don't have room to sign Ware."

Basically sounded like he was holding Ware over the fans heads and saying that, if I cut guys because you fans think there are chemistry issues, you don't get your shiny toy on defense.

He also said that the coaches will not be replaced and that there will be about 30% turnover on the roster (just not any of the big contracts or big signing bonus guys).

I thought they did TO's 2nd contract like the first, where if he was cut, it voided the remainder of the deal - essentially a series of 1 yr deals. Is that not right?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I know you're not particularly calling for Cowher, but bear with me.

Steelers in 3 years before Cowher: 25-23
Cowboys in 3 years before Phillips: 24-24

Steelers in Cowher's first two years: 20-12, and 0-2 in the playoffs.
Cowboys in Phillips's first two years: 22-10, and 0-1 in the playoffs.

Do you think the Steelers should have fired Cowher after those first two seasons? Was it so very clear that he needed to be gone? Or does hindsight say it would have been stupid to fire him?

Or does maybe Jerry think it's too early to give up on this coaching staff and that continuity is the best option available?

I think the worst possible decision Jerry can make is to be so fickle, yes fickle, as to fire an entire staff of coaches every two years if they're not performing better than this staff. If we go that route, we'll NEVER win anything. Never.

You missed this part of my post...

He does not see any coaches out there that he likes at this point.

He is waiting until a coach he does like comes free later (next year)

I think in my heart that he wants JG to get the job but if JG fails this year he is waiting for Holmgren.

I did not say I think they are the best choices, but I think that is what jerry is thinking.

I don't think Cowher will come hear nor do I think Jerry would want him hear as it is clear cowher wants his own staff and things set in place so he has power. He did it with the Tuna in many ways but even then he persuaded bill to keep some of the coaches. Cowher will not be so easy and I don't think jerry would do it.

So no matter if Cowher is or is not the guy I personally would like, he is the guy I don't think will be here so I was talking in other areas about other coaches.

 

[theogt]

Being stubborn and refusing to come to grips with the fact that Wade Phillips is 0-4 in the Playoffs and likely isn't the answer is just as bad as being a fickle fan.

I don't give a squat about what he did 20 years ago, just like I don't give a squat about what Bill Parcells did 20 years ago. If we're so fickle that we give up on the staff every 2 years, we're not going to win squat.

I don't care what you say, that's the definition of fickle.

 

[theogt]

You missed this part of my post...

He does not see any coaches out there that he likes at this point.

He is waiting until a coach he does like comes free later (next year)

I think in my heart that he wants JG to get the job but if JG fails this year he is waiting for Holmgren.

I did not say I think they are the best choices, but I think that is what jerry is thinking.

I don't think Cowher will come hear nor do I think Jerry would want him hear as it is clear cowher wants his own staff and things set in place so he has power. He did it with the Tuna in many ways but even then he persuaded bill to keep some of the coaches. Cowher will not be so easy and I don't think jerry would do it.

So no matter if Cowher is or is not the guy I personally would like, he is the guy I don't think will be here so I was talking in other areas about other coaches.

I don't think he's even considering who is available as a coach down the line. He's giving these guys another year and going from there. He's not planning on next year being a failure.

 

[theogt]

Records aren't everything. They need to be looked at in context.

LOL. Okay. Whatever.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

And all with the same culture and the same GM. We were on the right track with Coach Parcells. Had he stepped down and we continued with the program, we might be what the Dolphins are right now. Instead, he listened to the whiners on this team and went south with Phillips (remember he too was "walking on eggshells").

So now the players recommended Wade? What? :laugh2:

He hired Wade because he was the only candidate out there who had a winning record. And because our defense was broken and Wade was a good defensive guy. It's that simple.

Once again, it's not like he turned down Bill Belichick to hire Wade. Parcells quit so late, there wasn't much to choose from. People always forget that.

And as far as Sparano, maybe he'd have been better. But I'm not sure he'd be the same under Jerry as he is in Miami. Would a first-time HC really tell Jerry that he'd better not bring Pacman in here, for instance? I doubt it. You'd still have Jerry popping off in the media and playing fantasy football.

I think Wade can coach. I just wish Jerry would let him do it 100%. That won't happen, though.

 

[Sasquatch]

While it's enjoyable to read and muse about the myriad problems afflicting this team and organization, I feel quite confident that fixing the o-line and establishing a consistent running game (i.e. we can get 1-yard when we need it and can run out the clock at the end of games) to minimize Romo's worst tendencies is the surest and most direct way to return this team to contention.

 

[Doomsday101]

So now the players recommended Wade? What? :laugh2:

He hired Wade because he was the only candidate out there who had a winning record. And because our defense was broken and Wade was a good defensive guy. It's that simple.

Once again, it's not like he turned down Bill Belichick to hire Wade. Parcells quit so late, there wasn't much to choose from. People always forget that.

And as far as Sparano, maybe he'd have been better. But I'm not sure he'd be the same under Jerry as he is in Miami. Would a first-time HC really tell Jerry that he'd better not bring Pacman in here, for instance? I doubt it. You'd still have Jerry popping off in the media and playing fantasy football.

I hope the best for Sparano and will be pulling for Miami over Balt this weekend, he has done a very good job but he has also done this job in a weak division with a last place schedule. Will he be another coach where fans sing his praises today and dump on him tomorrow?

 

[tyke1doe]

I don't give a squat about what he did 20 years ago, just like I don't give a squat about what Bill Parcells did 20 years ago. If we're so fickle that we give up on the staff every 2 years, we're not going to win squat.

I don't care what you say, that's the definition of fickle.

Your position has merit, despite whether your opponents want to recognize it or not.

My only problem with your scenario is this: It was messed up from the start.

Wade Phillips came here to, really, just hold a job until Jason Garrett was ready to assume it. And he comes on board with no ability to choose his offensive coordinator. That was already etched in stone.

What message does that send to your players, No. 1?

And if that's the arrangement that Jerry instituted before Wade even got here, why does it make a big difference to can him now when he's probably gone at some point, No. 2?

Phillips is not a 10-year coach for the Cowboys.

I could see if Wade had come in and hired his own staff with his successor not looming over his head. But under this "unique" situation, the handwriting is already on the wall. It's just a matter of when you want to read the writing.

Just my two cents.

 

[AmishCowboy]

A 30% turnover with 52 active players is about 16 new players.

I'm thinking Procter, McQuistan, Carpenter, Johnson, Thomas, Williams(S), Canty, and that's all I can think of off the bat. Maybe even Ellis.

Hurd, Pacman, Pascleau and Burnett.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

So Jerry the GM strikes again? he signs big names hands out tons of money and straps the Cowboys in cap hell?

Boy don't this bring back memories.

 

[superpunk]

Someone please lock the forum.

It's depressing me.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

LOL. Okay. Whatever.

13-3 got us what again?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

20 years?

How about the last 2 years?

The guy is a life time loser as a Head Coach and was likely not going to get another shot at Head Coaching job in the NFL.

How do you field a team with Terrell Owens, Roy Williams, Tony Romo, 2 Pro Bowlers on the Offensive Line, Demarcus Ware with 20 Sacks, Bradie James who had a Pro Bowl Season and a defense that was supposedly coming on strong and get blown the heck out 44-6?

The Dallas Cowboys quit on Wade Phillips.

Not sure how anyone can deny this.

 

[TNCowboy]

They can't change the core players. Jones foolishly tied himself to these guys for years to come. And apparently he's unwillling to change the coaching staff.

Wasn't it Einstein who said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?

I present to you the 2009 Dallas Cowboys.

 

[theogt]

Your position has merit, despite whether your opponents want to recognize it or not.

My only problem with your scenario is this: It was messed up from the start.

Wade Phillips came here to, really, just hold a job until Jason Garrett was ready to assume it. And he comes on board with no ability to choose his offensive coordinator. That was already etched in stone.

I think that's complete BS, that was media myth more than anything. I don't think Jerry had any intention of doing any other than giving Wade his full 3-4 years here.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

20 years?

How about the last 2 years?

The guy is a life time loser as a Head Coach and was likely not going to get another shot at Head Coaching job in the NFL.

How do you field a team with Terrell Owens, Roy Williams, Tony Romo, 2 Pro Bowlers on the Offensive Line, Demarcus Ware with 20 Sacks, Bradie James who had a Pro Bowl Season and a defense that was supposedly coming on strong and get blown the heck out 44-6?

The Dallas Cowboys quit on Wade Phillips.

Not sure how anyone can deny this.

 

[alancdc]

A 30% turnover with 52 active players is about 16 new players.

I'm thinking Procter, McQuistan, Carpenter, Johnson, Thomas, Williams(S), Canty, and that's all I can think of off the bat. Maybe even Ellis.

Hopefully Pacman as well.