Judge Says Native Americans Waited Too Long to Sue Commanders Over Name

[Bob Sacamano]

Probably cause there arent enough Natives to defend themselves.

:laugh1: wth?

 

[cowheel]

I'm not saying they should or shouldn't be offended by it. Some are and some aren't. But there's nothing wrong with offending someone if you aren't trying to hurt them.

Uhhh. yes it is.

If you say something that offends me.... there IS something wrong and I will let you know you offended me.

We'll chalk the firt one up to ignorance.

But if you turn around and do or say the same thing again... and again... and again.... we gonna have a serious problem.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I will repeat a challenge I have made to several Commanders fans. If you don't think the name is offensive, please come to Arizona to visit me and I will take you out to one of the reservations. Please walk up to a group of our native Americans and say "hello Commanders" just as friendly as you can. I will watch.

None of them have ever taken me up on my offer. Wonder why if it isn't offensive as they claim.

we have to get that on youtube, HAVE to

the hilarist crapola you'll ever c

 

[cowheel]

The New Zealand rugby team is the "all blacks" but I doubt anyone finds that offensive because it's obvious it's not meant as a derogatory term and doesn't refer to skin color at all. Context is everything.

Uhhh... i'm not offended by that because New Zealand, from my knowledge, is not stained with 400 years of slavery, oppression, and racism against blacks.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

You're comparing the term African American to the term "Commander"?
lol...you serious.

Nah.. Native American is comparable to African American.

"Commander" is more comparable to the term "colored".

And I don't care what the "intent" is... if some team names themselves the Louisiana Colored Boys... we got a problem.

Yeah I was comparing the two terms. Because both are offensive to some people. The point I was trying to make is that the word "offensive" doesn't have any moral significance in the absence of the intent of the speaker.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If you are in the supermarket and you hear the word "Commanders," what is your first thought?

go get me guns and save the fahrm

 

[cowheel]

Yeah I was comparing the two terms. Because both are offensive to some people. The point I was trying to make is that the word "offensive" doesn't have any moral significance in the absence of the intent of the speaker.

LOL...Thats not true at all.

We can argue about this all night- but you'll never get it because you just can't relate.

An offensive term is an offensive term - no matter the intent behind it.
Especially when it's slapped on the side of a helmet - objectifying your whole race as nothin more than a friggin Mascot.

Like my man said earlier... go to any reservation and ask those people personally how they feel about it... then give your opinion of what they should or shouldn't be offended by.

Make sure you take your little Commander spirit flag with the lil' red man on it when you go.... lol

 

[Skinsmaniac]

Uhhh... i'm not offended by that because New Zealand, from my knowledge, is not stained with 400 years of slavery, oppression, and racism against blacks.

Is the word black offensive if you use it? My guess is it wouldn't be. How do you define when it is wrong to use the word and when it's ok?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

LOL...Thats not true at all.

We can argue about this all night- but you'll never get it because you just can't relate.

he doesn't want to relate, he's a freakin Commander homer/hater

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Is the word black offensive if you use it? My guess is it wouldn't be. How do you define when it is wrong to use the word and when it's ok?

it's offensive to hear it spoken by a white man

the n word is derogatory, but alot of blacks say it to each other all the time

but people get too overtly serial about it nowadays, jeez *the colored comment, saying the n words is very bad*

 

[Hyperion]

It's the nickname of a sports team which in the grand scheme of things isn't that important. Maybe Washington should change the logo. The people, who want the Commanders to have their nickname forcibly removed, need to waste their time on something else.

Repealing the nickname of a sports team will do nothing to improve the conditions of Native Americans or change past atrocities. It's a huge waste of time and a diversion from actual real-world problems.

And for the record, I'm a Titans fan and have no bias for or against Washington.

 

[bbgun]

This is all about "skin." Kansas City doesn't get in trouble for using the word "chief" or appropriating an arrowhead as its official logo. Elsewhere, Florida State has received the blessings of a real live Seminole tribe. The trick is to use benign terms that reflect or honor Indian culture.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

This is all about "skin." Kansas City doesn't get in trouble for using the word "chief" or appropriating an arrowhead as its official logo. Elsewhere, Florida State has received the blessings of a real live Seminole tribe. The trick is to use benign terms that reflect or honor Indian culture.

you're a funny white boy

 

[mr.jameswoods]

I think in my lifetime, we will see their name changed. It's morally and ethically wrong. Their name is a racial slur. I mean what if they had a picture of a negro with a big afro that said "black skin" There is a double standard and it's despicable that we accept this with Native Americans. I personally don't see why Daniel Snyder doesn't change the name. I think it will send a good message. I don't care what any judge rules. I think regardless of your political views, this is something we agree on and realize is wrong.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

It's the nickname of a sports team which in the grand scheme of things isn't that important. Maybe Washington should change the logo. The people, who want the Commanders to have their nickname forcibly removed, need to waste their time on something else.

Repealing the nickname of a sports team will do nothing to improve the conditions of Native Americans or change past atrocities. It's a huge waste of time and a diversion from actual real-world problems.

And for the record, I'm a Titans fan and have no bias for or against Washington.

It does matter regardless if it's a nickname of a sports team. Changing a knickname might seem like a petty task but it's symbolic and it's society's way of acknowledging that using a racial slur as a team name is wrong.

People made fun of political correctness but for many minorities, political correctness has been a great thing and has taught society to be more respectful and to acknowledge that stereotyping is wrong.

I don't want my children or grandchildren growing up in a world in which its acceptable for a professional sports team to have an ethnic slur as it's title.

I was angry when I saw soccer fans in Europe hold up **** flags and yell racist obscenities at players and fans of the other team. However, how can I be mad at them when our country uses a racial slur as a team. Are we really better than them? The United States has always done its best to stand for something better and to create an image of equality yet we advocate something as disgusting as referring to a sports team as Commander. We should be ashamed. This is not characteristic of this country. This is the best country in the world and this kind of nonsense is not American

 

[TheCount]

Yay, big business wins again. I never realized there was a time limit on discussing racism.

 

[Hyperion]

It does matter regardless if it's a nickname of a sports team. Changing a knickname might seem like a petty task but it's symbolic and it's society's way of acknowledging that using a racial slur as a team name is wrong.

People made fun of political correctness but for many minorities, political correctness has been a great thing and has taught society to be more respectful and to acknowledge that stereotyping is wrong.

I don't want my children or grandchildren growing up in a world in which its acceptable for a professional sports team to have an ethnic slur as it's title.

I was angry when I saw soccer fans in Europe hold up **** flags and yell racist obscenities at players and fans of the other team. However, how can I be mad at them when our country uses a racial slur as a team. Are we really better than them? The United States has always done its best to stand for something better and to create an image of equality yet we advocate something as disgusting as referring to a sports team as Commander. We should be ashamed. This is not characteristic of this country. This is the best country in the world and this kind of nonsense is not American

Personally, I'd rather society have the freedom of expression instead of some body deeming what is or isn't appropriate. If ideas are offensive, then we don't need to be sheltered from them. People should be able to realize what is right or wrong on their own.

It's the nickname of a sports team. Should the Minnesota Vikings change their name because the real Vikings don't exactly portray Scandinavians in a positive light? Granted that isn't the perfect comparison, but you can see how ridiculous this could get.The polls show the majority of Native Americans (75%) have no problem with the name. Jacoby Ellsbury, a native American baseball player said he would have no trouble wearing the Cleveland Indians 'Chief Wahoo' cap.

It's not a big deal.

 

[bedlamvr]

It does matter regardless if it's a nickname of a sports team. Changing a knickname might seem like a petty task but it's symbolic and it's society's way of acknowledging that using a racial slur as a team name is wrong.

People made fun of political correctness but for many minorities, political correctness has been a great thing and has taught society to be more respectful and to acknowledge that stereotyping is wrong.

I don't want my children or grandchildren growing up in a world in which its acceptable for a professional sports team to have an ethnic slur as it's title.

I was angry when I saw soccer fans in Europe hold up **** flags and yell racist obscenities at players and fans of the other team. However, how can I be mad at them when our country uses a racial slur as a team. Are we really better than them? The United States has always done its best to stand for something better and to create an image of equality yet we advocate something as disgusting as referring to a sports team as Commander. We should be ashamed. This is not characteristic of this country. This is the best country in the world and this kind of nonsense is not American

Wow really . You know that the **** flag is not an gone and forgotten symbol it is a symbol of a very nasty and growing face of racism and bigotism in some european countries ...***** are white supremacists on speed .... They are not displaying the **** flag as a memory of the past more of what they want now ...they are the dregs of society....

You do realize that you can use a word to honor and disrespect it all about YOUR intention . Yes "Commander" is a racial slur if you mean it to refer to a race of lazy drunken uneducated people but if you mean in to refer to a football team it refers to a football team . Do you not see the difference, could you get those meanings mixed up ? Black to some people is offensive to others it is a colour....

Before you can argue about a topic you need to understand it . The court case pends on the the fact the the "Commanders" has always been an offensive slur, yet the team history states the name came about to honor the first head coach that lead the team (including native americans) to Washington William " Lone Star" Dietz . In the 1960s the Commanders were about to ditch the name and the logo when the leader of the Native American Congress petitioned the team to retain references to Commander ... The Sporting News in the 90s ran a survey and found 75% of native Americans poled found the term inoffensive ..therefore the premise of the case is flawed ...

To say a word can never change its meaning is crazy ... the N word for example was used to refer to the beautiful blacks in Africa, it became offensive as the word changed from respectful to envious and hateful . Cowboy to you may mean heroic figure of the old west to many people in the UK cowboy means shoddy workman, incapable tradesperson there are hunderds of examples ....Manchester United football team mascot and nickname is the red devils...is that not offensive to Christians ?

My biggest objection to the changing of the term "Commanders" to refer to the DC football team is that is to get rid of one shining global image to remind people of American History and what they did to the Native Americans. IF the PC bridge get their way and wipe all references to Commanders and Braves and sanitize the language and history then who loses out ?. Bigots will still be bigots . As the name fades so does people memory

Oh yeah

New Zeland IS steeped in centuries of slavery and opporession as it was part of Britsh empire fueled for the most part by the slave trade between Africa and the new world, people from Britan moved there settled and displaced the native race, you talk about what happened to the Native American Indians, which was despicable, but did you ever learn of the plight of the Australian aborigine?

Just a thought

 

[David276]

5 hours later and its still funny they lost their case. theyve been called Commanders for like 500 years. its time to drop it and accept the fact they are red/ brown colored.

edit.

also funny this thread is now 6 pages long with racial arguments. instead of cowboy comments.

 

[Ben_n_austin]

That's an absurd line of logic she used.

The fact that words can change meaning over time and that a word that was once "acceptable" can later become "offensive" is the whole point here.

There are plenty of words that fall out of favor and become more offensive over time. We could all list dozens of them.

I'm possibly the most conservative and least politcally-correct person on this board. But I can't, for the life of me, see how the Redsk*n name is allowed in this day and age.

It's a complete and total embarrasment.

I agree. It's about common sense, and decency.